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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 1:25:31 AM   
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You dont let government do your thinking, BamaD; you let the GOP/TP do it. A group whom has....LESS...credibility than the whole of the US Government. Your so conditioned to think as they want already. Your understanding of the US Constitution is flawed. Its been pointed out...MANY...times already. The difference between your 'argument' and mine is that I have two things going for me:


Silly, just silly. I don't let anyone do my thinking for me.

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 1:25:54 AM   
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Your understanding of the US Constitution is flawed...

There are two sentences there:

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state."

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."


http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4793470

Actually Mr. Grammar Nazi, the 2nd amendment is ONE SENTENCE.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

There is only *ONE* period in that sentence. It is after the word 'infringed'. Here is an example of you slamming a bunch of former Englishmen's knowledge on modern English rules that didn't apply in their day. An the founding fathers no less!

I was quoting you, bozo.

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 1:30:31 AM   
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No, our values have changed, we tell kids they are great just for showing up and then they get into the real world and it doesn't work that way. Then they build up rage against society for holding them down and bang you have an incident. Teach kids real values and you'll get somewhere.

You might find that your 'understanding' only applies to 0.001% of the population at any one school.

That 0.001% is a very specific percentage. You'll be posting your source, right?


Not really. Its an educated guess based on observations. If all the kids were like as BamaD described, this nation would be suffering many more problems than it is right now with the nation's youth. As it relates to sports, college entry, Military service (including basic training), and the working world. Because we do not observe such a phenomenon on such a large scale, its worth stating the perception of events has been erroneously enlarged based upon less than accurate information.

Mot of the nation's teenage population in high school seem to behave as maturely as others have in years past. No real actual difference. Yet perception has always been that the younger generation knows less than the older when the older was the same age.

Yes, I concede there many be a tiny few whom have serious maturity problems in their later teenage life. But then we have adults whom are immature about reality. They all seem to vote Tea Party....


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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 1:31:42 AM   
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You have this silly and deluded grasp of reality. So I'll stated it....AGAIN....for about the 17th time: I really do not wish firearms to be ban. It will not do this nation a whole lot of good. But you can not understand the concept. Because it requires you to be a FUCKING ADULT!

No, not officially, but you want annual mental health evaluations and punitive taxes that would put them out of the reach of all but the rich.

You claim, and tell yourself that you don't want a ban but you argue for things that constitute a defacto ban.

Remember telling me that 4000 dollar just to be able to buy a gun wasn't at all excesive, and would be a good thing?

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 1:35:34 AM   
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You can not even voice a counter argument that is sane, intelligent, mature, or even reasonable. How about you try doing that?

Again if it doesn't agree with you it isn't sane.
For example my pointing out that the people who wrote the 2nd amendment held the position I do is neither sane nor reasonalbe because you don't want it to be true. Even though back in your saner days you admitted it was true.

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 1:35:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: joether

Your understanding of the US Constitution is flawed...

There are two sentences there:

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state."

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."


http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4793470

Actually Mr. Grammar Nazi, the 2nd amendment is ONE SENTENCE.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

There is only *ONE* period in that sentence. It is after the word 'infringed'. Here is an example of you slamming a bunch of former Englishmen's knowledge on modern English rules that didn't apply in their day. An the founding fathers no less!

I was quoting you, bozo.


Look at that you took it out out of context.....AGAIN. How many times is this for you Kirata? I've lost count after a few hundred examples.

So I'll dumb the English down for you, Kirata and explain it....

There are four parts to the 2nd amendment. Roughly divide in half. The first half (first two parts), or 'sentence' is the part conservatives ignore. The second half (the next two parts), or 'sentence' is the part conservatives corrupt.

That you can not seem to understand this concept is really pathetic on your part, Kirata. In your failed attempt to attack me, you made yourself look like an idiot in the process.


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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 1:39:04 AM   
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BTW, BamaD, we are not living in 1950's America. Its 2015. Things have changed in so many ways. Apparently our gun laws are out of date. We know this by all the violence in our nation. More Americans have been killed by firearms in domestic confrentations than terroist (domestic and foreign).

No, our values have changed, we tell kids they are great just for showing up and then they get into the real world and it doesn't work that way. Then they build up rage against society for holding them down and bang you have an incident. Teach kids real values and you'll get somewhere.


Such a lame and pathetic counter argument, BamaD. Your understanding of childhood psychology is so terrible that you would fail middle school psychology tests! The way you view kids in 2015 is completely uneducated and uninformed. How about you try interacting with them? You might find that your 'understanding' only applies to 0.001% of the population at any one school. The vast majority of kids for one reason or another understands how to handle losing.

AN what you stated.....DOESN'T EVEN ADDRESS WHAT I STATED. Its like me stating "Hello, how are you?" And your reply is "THE SQUIRRELS ARE FEEDING ON THE MOON! THEY FEED AND HAVE GOAT SEX! ITS HORRIBLE, LIKE EATING TWINKIES". Maybe you should take some medication or something? Or try staying on topic?



A shame you can't read anymore.
You said the laws are outdated and need to bechanged.
I said that was wrong, that we have allowed our values to dereriorate, and that this is the problem.
Typically since I didn't agree with you, you assume that I wasn't addressing the problem.

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 1:45:50 AM   
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You have this silly and deluded grasp of reality. So I'll stated it....AGAIN....for about the 17th time: I really do not wish firearms to be ban. It will not do this nation a whole lot of good. But you can not understand the concept. Because it requires you to be a FUCKING ADULT!

No, not officially, but you want annual mental health evaluations and punitive taxes that would put them out of the reach of all but the rich.


You have not officially determined if you have a grip on reality?

You might want to re-think that train of thought, BamaD. Particularly in light of what is being discussed.

We require police officers to have a physical, mental, and emotional health check. They would be the closest understanding of "A well regulated militia...." as stated in the 2nd amendment. So if you want to have a firearm, and the protection of the 2nd amendment, then its only fair you under go the same exact process. After all, all persons are equal under the law.

Punitive damages take place if the FBI determined the gun you purchased showed up at a crime scene and you lack a REALLY good alibi to explain the situation. I was using the idea of someone unscrupulous-type whom buys guns at a gun show in a series of shady business transactions, then resells them to criminals for a marked up price. The people that sold the guns to the unscrupulous type person, would have to explain to the FBI, WHOM they sold it to. That would make for much more honest trading of dangerous tools, would it not?

It allows for honest business transactions between merchant and buyer of a firearm. So if the gun 'disappears', the merchant is at least protected from wrong doing because they can point out whom had the firearm after it left their possession.

If your an honest and law abiding citizen with a gun, you should have nothing to hide in the translation, right? If the FBI finds you had five guns mysteriously disappear and two show up later at two different crime scenes; should society think your....still....honest?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
You claim, and tell yourself that you don't want a ban but you argue for things that constitute a defacto ban.


Like what?

Two weeks is a ban on a firearm? Why do you need the firearm so soon BamaD?

Got something to hide in your background? Did that doctor propertly identify your depression illness and preventing you from obtaining the gun to kill yourself?

Purchasing insurance, like most do with cars. Because accidents do often happen. You want to lose your house because some stupid kid got a hold of your gun and shot someone in a leg?

Got something wrong with taking classes on firearm safety, usage, storage, and cleaning?

These are all reasonable concepts that could be made into laws.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Remember telling me that 4000 dollar just to be able to buy a gun wasn't at all excesive, and would be a good thing?


Yes, do you remember the rest of it? Rather important. That if firearms cost more, gun owners would be less likely to part with their arms to shady and untrustworthy types. The goal is to keep firearms in honest and lawful hands, NOT, criminal ones. By making it cost more, an honest and law abiding citizen will pay for a gun like they do any other sale. But it raises the prices on the black market for the same gun. Meaning, its harder for criminals to obtain those guns. That's what we both want, right? Less guns in criminals hands?

So what do we do with this 'tax'? It'll generate a pile load of money. How about funding the Wounded Warrior Project and other programs like it?

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 1:47:47 AM   
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I've buried some of those kids, asshole! I've watched the parents suffer. I've watches their brothers and sisters....suffer.
They have asked me "why?", to which I can not give them a good enough answer. How many times have you been a man and comforted those whom have suffered violence from firearms?



And I have friends who are alive because they were armed but you want them to be defenseless asshole!


Do you and yourr friends run into violence and crime more often that police officers? Do you go out looking for trouble, then bitch when you find it?

Again, your not even remotely on topic here. I'm going to ask the question, AGAIN. TRY, to stay on topic:

"How many times have you been a man and comforted those whom have suffered violence from firearms?"



How far do you expect me to travel to do this, we haven't had one of those incidents here. When are you going to be a man and comfort the family of someone who died because your policies deprived them of the ability to defend themselfs.

I have linked numerous studies, even by Blumberg that show that firearms are used in legitimate self defense many times as often as they are used to commit crimes. The FBI's figures, which you ignored when I linked them, put the number around 3\4 of a million times a year.

I am fortunate enough that those I know who were potintial victims of crime were armed and stopped the crime before being injured. Usually without having to harm the cowardly scum that came after them.


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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 1:58:28 AM   
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There are two sentences there:

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state."

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."


http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4793470

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ORIGINAL: joether

I'll dumb the English down for you, Kirata and explain it....

There are four parts to the 2nd amendment. Roughly divide in half. The first half (first two parts), or 'sentence' is the part conservatives ignore. The second half (the next two parts), or 'sentence' is the part conservatives corrupt.

That you can not seem to understand this concept is really pathetic on your part, Kirata. In your failed attempt to attack me, you made yourself look like an idiot in the process.


Good grief, I'm going to get this one bronzed.

K.


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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 2:01:07 AM   
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A shame you can't read anymore.
You said the laws are outdated and need to bechanged.
I said that was wrong, that we have allowed our values to dereriorate, and that this is the problem.
Typically since I didn't agree with you, you assume that I wasn't addressing the problem.


Well, we are both right. From different perspectives. The difference is I'm cutting out the middle man.

A law is simply an understanding in society on how we judge 'right' and 'wrong' in a given situation. That we create laws the promote good behaviors (i.e. don't drive and drive) while diminishing negative behaviors (i.e. murder). When values of individuals seem to cause problems, we create laws to reduce or remove those behaviors (e.g. texting while driving).

The current list of laws do not seem to handle the existing problems faced in society by events and people. We want to lower shooting massacres and guns falling into the wrong hands, right? The current laws do not seem to be performing that task to our liking. Therefore, logically, we create better laws that address those issues.

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 2:07:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: joether

Your understanding of the US Constitution is flawed...

There are two sentences there:

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state."

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."


http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4793470

Actually Mr. Grammar Nazi, the 2nd amendment is ONE SENTENCE.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

There is only *ONE* period in that sentence. It is after the word 'infringed'. Here is an example of you slamming a bunch of former Englishmen's knowledge on modern English rules that didn't apply in their day. An the founding fathers no less!

I was quoting you, bozo.

K.


And the first phrase is, by all rules of English subordinate to the second.

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RE: Mental health satirical truthbe - 10/6/2015 2:09:37 AM   
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First a few points about John Oliver's statements.

1) He missed one point, in every cass of a mass shooting that hits the news (believe it or not, there are mass shootings that dont) there is one common denominator, the shooter had a history of severe mental illness and access to firearms.

2) Of the hundreds of thousands killed by guns each year, the majority are in the inner city, low income areas where crime is rampant, and it is in these areas where mass shootings occur that do not hit the national news, why because the majority are gang related, and most of those firearms were acquired illegally.

In a small town in Tennessee an 11 year old boy shot and killed an 8 year old girl because she would not show him her new puppies. He used his father's legally purchased shotgun, and may be tried as an adult on 1st degree murder charges.

The boy was known to have been a bully.

However, aside from the fact there had to be a mental problem for him to think the solution to not being allowed to see the puppies was to shoot the girl in the chest, the neighbors are asking another, very serious question, "why the hell was the weapon unsecured and loaded in the first place?"

We are talking about a part of the country where gun ownership is as common as fried chicken dinners after church.

Staying away from the cliche that the incident occurred in a trailer park (been waiting for the "trailer park white trash" jokes to start) there is the issue that no action has been taken against the boys parents.

In the very least they should be charged with accessories to the crime.

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 2:10:04 AM   
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A shame you can't read anymore.
You said the laws are outdated and need to bechanged.
I said that was wrong, that we have allowed our values to dereriorate, and that this is the problem.
Typically since I didn't agree with you, you assume that I wasn't addressing the problem.


Well, we are both right. From different perspectives. The difference is I'm cutting out the middle man.

A law is simply an understanding in society on how we judge 'right' and 'wrong' in a given situation. That we create laws the promote good behaviors (i.e. don't drive and drive) while diminishing negative behaviors (i.e. murder). When values of individuals seem to cause problems, we create laws to reduce or remove those behaviors (e.g. texting while driving).

The current list of laws do not seem to handle the existing problems faced in society by events and people. We want to lower shooting massacres and guns falling into the wrong hands, right? The current laws do not seem to be performing that task to our liking. Therefore, logically, we create better laws that address those issues.

Pizza Hut wouldn't deliver to my neighborhood, why, because it was to dangerous. They agreed to deliver here because I promised to be on my poarch, armed to assure their safety. That was 3 years ago. I am still the only person in my area they will deliver too. Be a man and protect people.

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 2:11:23 AM   
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When values of individuals seem to cause problems, we create laws to reduce or remove those behaviors (e.g. texting while driving).

Absolutely. Texting while driving is dangerous. I propose:

A ) Two week waiting period from purchase to delivery
B ) Mandatory background check
C ) They purchase insurance on the phone (just like a car)
D ) They must take a training class on their phone
E ) The phones are locked up


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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 2:19:14 AM   
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I was using the idea of someone unscrupulous-type whom buys guns at a gun show in a series of shady business transactions, then resells them to criminals for a marked up price

I figured you knew that straw purchases were already illegal.

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 2:24:16 AM   
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How far do you expect me to travel to do this, we haven't had one of those incidents here.


How far do you think you need to travel to comfort someone whom just lost their brother due to gun violence?

Until recently, Roseburg, OR, had not had a mass shooting. Do you need to have a mass shooting with many dead and injured before you feel its time to be a FUCKING HUMAN BEING?

Seriously, answer that question!

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When are you going to be a man and comfort the family of someone who died because your policies deprived them of the ability to defend themselfs.


Where do we draw the line, BamaD? Were do we, as society, draw the line? Because we have to draw that line. An live with the consequences of it. For better or worst. Its not an easy decision to make. Nor should it ever be an easy decision. Do we allow firearms to flourish and 'roll the dices' hoping we'll experience less gun violence? Do we limit firearms in possession and make it harder to obtain them in the first place?

The reason why I'm against a ban on firearms is quite lengthy. In short, I think it would not quite accomplish the overall goal like others believe. Yet the system we have now does not work. So where do I place that 'point'? Knowing, I'll have to live with the consequences. And they will ugly. They will be horrible. There will be more then enough sadness and crying of relatives.

You and many conservatives are more afraid of this task than I am! An I dont say that in a gloating manner. Your afraid to consider things, and that prevents you from being objective. As I stated, its not an easy task to under take.

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I have linked numerous studies, even by Blumberg that show that firearms are used in legitimate self defense many times as often as they are used to commit crimes. The FBI's figures, which you ignored when I linked them, put the number around 3\4 of a million times a year.


The problem with those studies is its just numbers. I've watched Republicans and Democrats take the same number in Congress and arrive at totally different understandings. Numbers can be 'cooked' to make them look however you want. I'm not talking about those studies.

The two studies that CBS/Philadelphia PD and the 2nd amendment group did after Charlie Hebro(sp?) attack. Agree or not, those two groups were trying to answer questions in a way we as a nation are to afraid to try: as close to the real thing as possible. When there is an accident with cars, we investigate in 'as real' conditions as we can make them, while maintaining safety.

I think we should do more studies like those.

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I am fortunate enough that those I know who were potintial victims of crime were armed and stopped the crime before being injured. Usually without having to harm the cowardly scum that came after them.


An that happens in fewer cases than those whom are mowed down due to an illegal firearms in the possession of someone in the process of a criminal act. One of the kids, was killed because the gun the bullet was fired from was stolen just 18 hours before from a house. That homeowner placed the pistol on the dresser rather than the gun safe. When the guy broken in, he stole the TV, jewelry, and the firearm. If that owner had locked that gun up; that kind might be alive today.

The door swings boths ways, BamaD. You can point out success stories. I can point out tragedies. The problem? The tragedies are quickly outweighing the success stories in this nation.

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 2:24:52 AM   
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You have this silly and deluded grasp of reality. So I'll stated it....AGAIN....for about the 17th time: I really do not wish firearms to be ban. It will not do this nation a whole lot of good. But you can not understand the concept. Because it requires you to be a FUCKING ADULT!

No, not officially, but you want annual mental health evaluations and punitive taxes that would put them out of the reach of all but the rich.


You have not officially determined if you have a grip on reality?

You might want to re-think that train of thought, BamaD. Particularly in light of what is being discussed.

We require police officers to have a physical, mental, and emotional health check. They would be the closest understanding of "A well regulated militia...." as stated in the 2nd amendment. So if you want to have a firearm, and the protection of the 2nd amendment, then its only fair you under go the same exact process. After all, all persons are equal under the law.

Punitive damages take place if the FBI determined the gun you purchased showed up at a crime scene and you lack a REALLY good alibi to explain the situation. I was using the idea of someone unscrupulous-type whom buys guns at a gun show in a series of shady business transactions, then resells them to criminals for a marked up price. The people that sold the guns to the unscrupulous type person, would have to explain to the FBI, WHOM they sold it to. That would make for much more honest trading of dangerous tools, would it not?

It allows for honest business transactions between merchant and buyer of a firearm. So if the gun 'disappears', the merchant is at least protected from wrong doing because they can point out whom had the firearm after it left their possession.

If your an honest and law abiding citizen with a gun, you should have nothing to hide in the translation, right? If the FBI finds you had five guns mysteriously disappear and two show up later at two different crime scenes; should society think your....still....honest?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
You claim, and tell yourself that you don't want a ban but you argue for things that constitute a defacto ban.


Like what?

Two weeks is a ban on a firearm? Why do you need the firearm so soon BamaD?

Got something to hide in your background? Did that doctor propertly identify your depression illness and preventing you from obtaining the gun to kill yourself?

Purchasing insurance, like most do with cars. Because accidents do often happen. You want to lose your house because some stupid kid got a hold of your gun and shot someone in a leg?

Got something wrong with taking classes on firearm safety, usage, storage, and cleaning?

These are all reasonable concepts that could be made into laws.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Remember telling me that 4000 dollar just to be able to buy a gun wasn't at all excesive, and would be a good thing?


Yes, do you remember the rest of it? Rather important. That if firearms cost more, gun owners would be less likely to part with their arms to shady and untrustworthy types. The goal is to keep firearms in honest and lawful hands, NOT, criminal ones. By making it cost more, an honest and law abiding citizen will pay for a gun like they do any other sale. But it raises the prices on the black market for the same gun. Meaning, its harder for criminals to obtain those guns. That's what we both want, right? Less guns in criminals hands?

So what do we do with this 'tax'? It'll generate a pile load of money. How about funding the Wounded Warrior Project and other programs like it?

And best of all it would keep people from being able to buy them, limiting ownership to the rich.
It is an elitist approach to guns. And for the vast majority it would constitute a ban.
Saying the tax "could" be used for something like wounded warrior is a smokescreen to tell yourself it would be good. Just like saying that when you price them out of most peoples reach they would be more careful with them.
It doesn't matter how careful they would be if you see to it they can't afford them in the first place.

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 2:31:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I was using the idea of someone unscrupulous-type whom buys guns at a gun show in a series of shady business transactions, then resells them to criminals for a marked up price

I figured you knew that straw purchases were already illegal.


...Only if they are caught....

The unscrupulous types, will take steps to mask their transactions. They buy a firearm for $900. Resell it at $1950. They make $1050 within 24 hours. Repeat that a few times in a month. What is their motivation to take those steps? Profit.

These are the people undermining your ability to have a firearm, BamaD. Many of them are ones resisting any sort of firearm laws that would put them out of business!

Take that charge of $4,000 from earlier. How many common criminals you know walk around with $5,000 in their pocket? Let's put this another way; how many honest people do you know carry around $5,000 in cash? That's why we have plastic, right? An checks? Because a normal business transaction can be made without the need to carry such money on our person.

That unscrupulous guy from above? Which do you think is easier for him to sell, and quickly? A gun costing $1950 or one at $6,200? Given that people's pay (whether legit or not) does not rise by the same amount?

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RE: Mental health satirical truth?? - 10/6/2015 2:31:28 AM   
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You and many conservatives are more afraid of this task than I am! An I dont say that in a gloating manner. Your afraid to consider things, and that prevents you from being objective. As I stated, its not an easy task to under take.

I have repeatedly givin things that will go further to fix the problems than making guns unafordable. You can't look past sticking it to legitimate gun owners in the hopes it will someday trickle down.

I know you hate this idea but shouldn't we actually enforce the laws we have before we declare them to be inadequate? But then you couldn't be a hero by demanding new laws.

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