joether
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Sooner or later, there will be so great a moment of death and destruction by one or more individuals with firearms, that the nation will get behind better and tougher laws.
Honestly, I see that working about as well as prohibition. You're going to have a lot of unsavory people making a heck of a lot of money because as soon as the market is created, somebody is going to cash in on it. How do you think all of the cocaine got here?
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Given that most people, still reeling from the sight and sensation of the destruction will be opting for 'ban 'em all'.
I don't see this happening. If it didn't happen post Sandy Hook, I sincerely doubt it's going to. Gun control people jumped on that even before the families got a chance for the victims to be put in the ground. (Something I find distasteful, and I didn't exactly refrain either, so I'm just as bad as anybody else.) I don't have a clue what tragedy people would consider "big enough".
If you have seen some of the scenarios I have, you would be turned SHIT WHITE! What one person can accomplish is truly frightening. Try to imagine a small group working together? The level of destruction is multiplied by a few factors.
Do you....REALLY....want to find out what that tragedy that forces this nation to look at things objectively? Careful what you wish for, as the saying goes....
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But blaming all the shootings in American on someone whom is mentally and/or emotionally compromised is a weak argument. There have been many instances of people with guns having 'anger management issues' towards their loved ones. Brian Short, recently killed his daughters and wife before turning the gun on himself. Yes, someone could say he might have been suffering from some sort of mental/emotional illness. The problem is diagnosing such a thing.
Yes and no. Anger management stuff tends to be the area where somebody targets a specific person. People do the suddenly snap thing when it's directed towards somebody who is linked to their life or they have the obsession that the other person is linked to them.
Anger management issues is usually NOT directed at one specific person. Its a person whom lacks good skills in staying on control of their emotions. Usually because they did not learn such skills when they were younger.
When people 'snap' as you say, they do not draw guns and go off on a highly planned massacre. They usually just start shooting indiscriminately at anything, including people. People in that state are not in control of their grip on reality let alone being a 'cool cucumber'. 'Blind Rage' would be the closest understanding of what your stating. Yet, blind rage can happen to anyone, at any time, an even with the absence of previous mental and/or emotional illness present. That's because blind rage shuts off from the front area of the human brain and forces the back off of the brain to pull double duty (which its not really created to accomplish).
Making a proper diagnosis of someone would take a good therapist about three months. The amount of knowledge pertaining to psychology that Americans have is about the same level of knowledge they have for the Affordable Care Act; read: not much of anything factual....
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Likewise, there is no such thing as 'mental screening' to determine if someone is suffering a mental/emotional problem, or a physical one that can mask itself as a mental/emotional issue.
There is, but most people don't know how to work the system. Don't walk in there saying you are the reincarnation of Dahmer or anything. Instead, tell them that if they release you that you will commit suicide in the parking lot with the first sharp object you find. You've got a better shot.
No, there is no mental screening. Its WAY TO EASY TO GAME the system! Over time, can a good therapist determine the extent, depth, and surrounding issues of someone's issues. Fiction would have you believe it takes like ten minutes. Try ten months! A mild condition is not as easy to spot as a severe one. Severe cases are much easier to understand and form a treatment plan around. Yet a mildly psychotic individual is just as able to kill a pile of people with a firearm as a severe case.
If a medical professional thinks you are a danger to yourself or someone else, they can, legally, hold you for observation. That length can be extended in a court case to a judge.
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There are many ways we as a nation could reduce firearm violence that are reasonable measures and not a violation of the 2nd amendment. The gun nuts will say and do.....ANYTHING....to stop it. Its upt to the nation's citizens to decide how much they enjoy funerals....
Oddly enough, I consider myself to be a rather law abiding citizen.
Ironically enough, every single person found guilty of a crime was "honest and law abiding' just seconds before the jury stated they were guilty. Your 'law abiding' until you or the jury state your guilty of a crime. Even though you might have broken the law a hundreds times!
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I am not a gun nut.
Most people that are gun owners are not gun nuts either. Gun nuts are a group of people that know how to push the buttons of gun owners. My understanding of 'gun nuts' is much more complicated then I lead others to understand. Suffice it to say, 'gun owners' are sane, rational people that understand the nation would do better with good firearm laws. 'Gun nuts' through out rational thought for a total fantasy that involves tyrannical powers, FEMA Camps, black helicopters in the dead of night, and dead cows.
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I am a second amendment supporter.
Everyone supports the 2nd amendment. Until you realize how badly the law has been corrupted for money and power, rather than, for the common interest of ordinary citizens. The 2nd amendment was never about allowing thugs with guns, but rather a group of individuals that protect toe town from dangers. I could go quite indepth on this one. I'm sure BamaD and Kirata will try to tell you I'm "Full of Shit", even though I got the facts on my side!
Look up Heller vs. DC and ask, "who had the most to gain by that ruling?" Pay attention to the date (2008) and how well the GOP/TP 'won' in the general election just a few months later. There is a wealth of knowledge the 'gun nuts' do not want you to realize.
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I absolutely do believe that folks should be able to protect themselves. If I ever have to defend myself, I'm not going to care if the other person is crazy or not.
That's not the issue. The people misusing firearms is the issue. They have easy access to them. The firearms themselves are easy to operate. One can unload a large amount of ammunition in a short amount of time. Easy to reload. Depending on the size of the bullet determining penetration power.
If you have to defend yourself against someone trying to kill you; chances are good you will not live through the encounter. Sadly, the chance of you hurting or eliminating your opposition is even less. Now try to imagine if they hit you with a flashbang BEFORE engaging.....
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