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BamaD -> RE: Paris under attack (11/17/2015 2:26:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I know "Anonymous" pisses off a lot of people, but If they can target and disrupt ISIS communications somehow...? http://www.torontosun.com/2015/11/17/anonymous-says-it-has-taken-down-5500-twitter-accounts well,.. they apparently did this before also but it seemed to have a limited effect... but if the NSA with all its spying, hacking, govt money and power cant seem to "hunt them down", how effective will Anonymous be? good on them if they do but I will wait to see real results on that.. It would be ironic tho, for the US & other govts to be using info gained from a group they are trying to eradicate.. Anonymous is a private endevor, as such they tend to be more efficient than a government endevour.

BamaD -> RE: Paris under attack (11/17/2015 2:28:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Yanno all these drone strikes the nutsuckers have been whining about? Turns out that is the majority of what the drones are striking is leadership of these different cells and sects. Unfortunately for you jackass backers, the strategy is obviously failing. ISIS attacks are getting bigger, bolder and more coordinated with every report of the death of one of their "leaders". Obama is a failure, his plan is a failure, and you jackasses who worship him are idiots. LOL You blame terrorists for 9/11 and invade the wrong country for the wrong reasons Benghazi was caused terrorism but you blame hilary and now you are blaming Obama for NATO guided attacks on ISIS, oh Im sorry, the "lack" of a plan dipshit They are doing just enough to keep them mad, but not enough to actually do anything to stop them.

kdsub -> RE: Paris under attack (11/17/2015 2:33:35 PM)
Wonderful comparison how appropriate of you. But we couldn't say Jefferson the Algerian.... Maybe Jefferson the farmer Butch

mnottertail -> RE: Paris under attack (11/17/2015 2:36:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I know "Anonymous" pisses off a lot of people, but If they can target and disrupt ISIS communications somehow...? http://www.torontosun.com/2015/11/17/anonymous-says-it-has-taken-down-5500-twitter-accounts well,.. they apparently did this before also but it seemed to have a limited effect... but if the NSA with all its spying, hacking, govt money and power cant seem to "hunt them down", how effective will Anonymous be? good on them if they do but I will wait to see real results on that.. It would be ironic tho, for the US & other govts to be using info gained from a group they are trying to eradicate.. Anonymous is a private endevor, as such they tend to be more efficient than a government endevour. Endeavors it turns out cannot be said to be efficient just because they are private sector. There is no evidence to support that, it is a theory devoid of reality or proof.

thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/17/2015 2:40:46 PM)
Anonymous is a private endevor, as such they tend to be more efficient than a government endevour. By what metric?

thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/17/2015 2:42:19 PM)
ORIGINAL: kdsub Wonderful comparison how appropriate of you. But we couldn't say Jefferson the Algerian.... Maybe Jefferson the farmer Jefferson was never a farmer, his slaves were farmers. We could, however truthfully say jefferson the rapist, jefferson the slaver or jefferson the constant debtor.

kdsub -> RE: Paris under attack (11/17/2015 3:33:23 PM)
Or Jefferson the Distant Cousin...

jlf1961 -> RE: Paris under attack (11/17/2015 3:34:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Yanno all these drone strikes the nutsuckers have been whining about? Turns out that is the majority of what the drones are striking is leadership of these different cells and sects. Unfortunately for you jackass backers, the strategy is obviously failing. ISIS attacks are getting bigger, bolder and more coordinated with every report of the death of one of their "leaders". Obama is a failure, his plan is a failure, and you jackasses who worship him are idiots. Actually, it was not Obama that came up with this "brilliant" plan, but the military. You see, the military is stuck in the classical warfare of a set chain of command and command structure. The problem with terrorist organizations is that there is no set chain of command or command structure, it is decentralized (almost if they were smart enough to know that you dont put all the leaders in one place) and as such taking out one leader is more akin to cutting off the head of a hydra. Then of course there is the "Trump" plan of just bombing the hell out of the region, which would do nothing but fill the roster with more people willing to die for Allah, especially when they see that not dieing for Allah is going to get them killed in a bomb strike. Of course, there are American state governors who want no Syrian refugees in their states since the idea is that the majority of them are going to be terrorists. Finally, the biggest thing to come out of the Paris attacks were the wave of Anti Muslim sentiment. I believe a mosque in Canada was burned, and there have been an increased number of Anti Muslim protests. But hey, when have humans really needed a push to hate other humans?

NorthernGent -> RE: Paris under attack (11/17/2015 3:35:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle The role of the West is to support whatever arrangements the inhabitants of the region deem best suits their interests I think this is part of the problem, not the solution. Too many cooks spoil the broth.

NorthernGent -> RE: Paris under attack (11/17/2015 3:38:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 But hey, when have humans really needed a push to hate other humans? Regularly. 'Not that long ago that the American people had no interest in Nicaragua. A Department of Propaganda later and an advertising campaign promoting The Sandinistas as the Mongol Hordes, and public opinion was turned. Not the only country by a long chalk. In fact, history would suggest that humans need a good old push in the context of war.

Politesub53 -> RE: Paris under attack (11/17/2015 3:45:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Will Politesub if we had the will we could easily say..." We will not buy a drop of oil, provide military equipment and support, and we will cease all trade except for emergency humanitarian aid until you do your share. We have the production and reserves to back it up now.. of course it would take the rest of the western world to be effective. It worked on Iran and there is no reason it could not work for the rest of the Muslim world. It is the only way that has a chance of working outside of US and European troops on the ground... If you have a better idea lets hear it. Butch You realy think only the western nations are buying black market oil ? Your plan of a boycott fails right there, even Assad and the Turks are buying oil from ISIS. None of this changes the point that your effort to blame all Muslims is bullshit.

Politesub53 -> RE: Paris under attack (11/17/2015 3:53:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 No, I don't buy it. But was anyone else except Islamics involved in any of these atrocities?? I haven't heard anything to the contrary... have you?? Yes you surely do buy it. You need to do some research on just where much of the info that halts planneed terror atacks in the UK comes from. Here is a clue, big enough even for you to spot....... From within the Muslim community.

thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/17/2015 3:55:52 PM)
ORIGINAL: kdsub Or Jefferson the Distant Cousin... Not according to abbigale adams or the jefferson family or the hemmings family or contemporary accounts or dna. That sack of shit you are trying to peddle belongs only to racist who cannot abide the idea of white tommy poking his black sister-in-law.

Politesub53 -> RE: Paris under attack (11/17/2015 3:57:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic LOL You blame terrorists for 9/11 and invade the wrong country for the wrong reasons Benghazi was caused terrorism but you blame hilary and now you are blaming Obama for NATO guided attacks on ISIS, oh Im sorry, the "lack" of a plan dipshit Dipshit hardly sums him up. Seems to me the same people who moan about nothing being done to prevent these attacks, also moan about phone intercepts etc.

Politesub53 -> RE: Paris under attack (11/17/2015 4:20:57 PM)
For Peon.......... 70,000 + @ Wembley tonight for the friendly game with France. 10,000 tickets sold in the last day alone. Pleased to say both sets of fans joined in singing the La Marseillaise. The English fans at one section of the ground held up red white and blue cards in the pattern of the Tricolour.

Aylee -> RE: Paris under attack (11/17/2015 4:29:24 PM)
“It must be incredibly frustrating as an Islamic terrorist not to have your views and motives taken seriously by the societies you terrorize, even after you have explicitly and repeatedly stated them,” self-described “Iraqi born writer & founder of the Global Secular Humanist Movement” Faisal Saeed Al Mutar notes: Even worse, those on the regressive left, in their endless capacity for masochism and self-loathing, have attempted to shift blame inwardly on themselves, denying the terrorists even the satisfaction of claiming responsibility. It’s like a bad Monty Python sketch: “We did this because our holy texts exhort us to to do it.” “No you didn’t.” “Wait, what? Yes we did…” “No, this has nothing to do with religion. You guys are just using religion as a front for social and geopolitical reasons.” “WHAT!? Did you even read our official statement? We give explicit Quranic justification. This is jihad, a holy crusade against pagans, blasphemers, and disbelievers.” “No, this is definitely not a Muslim thing. You guys are not true Muslims, and you defame a great religion by saying so.” “Huh!? Who are you to tell us we’re not true Muslims!? Islam is literally at the core of everything we do, and we have implemented the truest most literal and honest interpretation of its founding texts. It is our very reason for being.” “Nope. We created you. We installed a social and economic system that alienates and disenfranchises you, and that’s why you did this. We’re sorry.” “What? Why are you apologizing? We just slaughtered you mercilessly in the streets. We targeted unwitting civilians – disenfranchisement doesn’t even enter into it!” “Listen, it’s our fault. We don’t blame you for feeling unwelcome and lashing out.” “Seriously, stop taking credit for this! We worked really hard to pull this off, and we’re not going to let you take it away from us.” “No, we nourished your extremism. We accept full blame.” “OMG, how many people do we have to kill around here to finally get our message across?” https://www.facebook.com/faisalsalmutar/posts/906729506085781

thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/17/2015 4:40:40 PM)
There is an insect called the hunting wasp. The female hunts for spiders and other insects and preys on them in an unusual way. She stings them in the large nerve ganglion on the underside of the thorax so that they are not killed but only paralyzed. She then lays an egg on the paralyzed victim (or within it’s body) and seals the prey up in a nest. When the egg hatches, the wasp larva commences to eat the prey, slowly, gradually, in a highly systemized way. The nonvital tissues and organs are eaten first, so that the paralyzed creature remains alive for a good many days. Eventually, of course, its guest eats away so much of it that it dies. During the whole long process of consumption, the prey cannot move, cry out or resist in any way.” “Now, suppose we view the Church as the hunting wasp, it’s stinger being represented by the nuns and priests who teach in the schools. And let us view the pupils as the paralyzed prey. The egg that is injected into them is the dogma, which in time must hatch into the larva-personal philosophy or religious attitude. This larva, as that of the wasp eats away from within, slowly and in a specialized manner, until the victim in destroyed. That is my impression of parochial education.” ― Tom Robbins, Another Roadside Attraction

BamaD -> RE: Paris under attack (11/17/2015 5:03:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I know "Anonymous" pisses off a lot of people, but If they can target and disrupt ISIS communications somehow...? http://www.torontosun.com/2015/11/17/anonymous-says-it-has-taken-down-5500-twitter-accounts well,.. they apparently did this before also but it seemed to have a limited effect... but if the NSA with all its spying, hacking, govt money and power cant seem to "hunt them down", how effective will Anonymous be? good on them if they do but I will wait to see real results on that.. It would be ironic tho, for the US & other govts to be using info gained from a group they are trying to eradicate.. Anonymous is a private endevor, as such they tend to be more efficient than a government endevour. Endeavors it turns out cannot be said to be efficient just because they are private sector. There is no evidence to support that, it is a theory devoid of reality or proof. Note I did not say always are , just that they tend to be , as far as reality is concerned that is reality.

thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/17/2015 5:06:34 PM)
Note I did not say always are , just that they tend to be , as far as reality is concerned that is reality. If that were true you should have no trouble documenting it.

BamaD -> RE: Paris under attack (11/17/2015 5:06:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Yanno all these drone strikes the nutsuckers have been whining about? Turns out that is the majority of what the drones are striking is leadership of these different cells and sects. Unfortunately for you jackass backers, the strategy is obviously failing. ISIS attacks are getting bigger, bolder and more coordinated with every report of the death of one of their "leaders". Obama is a failure, his plan is a failure, and you jackasses who worship him are idiots. Actually, it was not Obama that came up with this "brilliant" plan, but the military. You see, the military is stuck in the classical warfare of a set chain of command and command structure. The problem with terrorist organizations is that there is no set chain of command or command structure, it is decentralized (almost if they were smart enough to know that you dont put all the leaders in one place) and as such taking out one leader is more akin to cutting off the head of a hydra. Then of course there is the "Trump" plan of just bombing the hell out of the region, which would do nothing but fill the roster with more people willing to die for Allah, especially when they see that not dieing for Allah is going to get them killed in a bomb strike. Of course, there are American state governors who want no Syrian refugees in their states since the idea is that the majority of them are going to be terrorists. Finally, the biggest thing to come out of the Paris attacks were the wave of Anti Muslim sentiment. I believe a mosque in Canada was burned, and there have been an increased number of Anti Muslim protests. But hey, when have humans really needed a push to hate other humans? i have to disagree with you on one point, I have seen nothing that assumes the majority will be terroists. But they want to bring in 70,000, if 1% are terroists that means we ship in 700 do you tink that is a good idea.

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