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RE: Duty of "Peaceful" Muslims - 12/8/2015 6:26:39 PM

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But if I was a Muslim, I'm gonna argue non stop about how it was permissible because Muhammad did it. Even if we ditch the older version, it's still a 16 yr old girl. 50 yr old and 16 yr old, just too much for me.

How is it that you claim to live in singapore and do not know that the legal age of consent in singapore is 14?

http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

http://www.ageofconsent.com/singapore.htm

or perhaps she lives there and just might know more than you do about the situation.

Or maybe you have your head up your ass again.

The relevant laws that deal with sexual offences against minors are the Penal Code, the Woman’s
Charter, the Children and Young Person Act, the Undesirable Publication Act and the Film Act.

II. Rape
Section 375 of the Penal Code states
" A man is said to commit " rape " who, except in the case hereinafter, has sexual intercourse with
a woman under circumstances falling under any of the five following descriptions :
a) against her will ;
b) without her consent ;
c) with her consent, when her consent has been obtained by putting her in fear of death or hurt ;
d) with her consent, when the man knows that he is not her husband, and her consent is given because she believes herself to be lawfully married or to whom she would consent ;
e) with or without consent, when she is under fourteen (14) years of age. "

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RE: Duty of "Peaceful" Muslims - 12/8/2015 6:42:26 PM

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But if I was a Muslim, I'm gonna argue non stop about how it was permissible because Muhammad did it. Even if we ditch the older version, it's still a 16 yr old girl. 50 yr old and 16 yr old, just too much for me.

How is it that you claim to live in singapore and do not know that the legal age of consent in singapore is 14?

http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

http://www.ageofconsent.com/singapore.htm

or perhaps she lives there and just might know more than you do about the situation.

Or maybe you have your head up your ass again.

The relevant laws that deal with sexual offences against minors are the Penal Code, the Woman’s
Charter, the Children and Young Person Act, the Undesirable Publication Act and the Film Act.

II. Rape
Section 375 of the Penal Code states
" A man is said to commit " rape " who, except in the case hereinafter, has sexual intercourse with
a woman under circumstances falling under any of the five following descriptions :
a) against her will ;
b) without her consent ;
c) with her consent, when her consent has been obtained by putting her in fear of death or hurt ;
d) with her consent, when the man knows that he is not her husband, and her consent is given because she believes herself to be lawfully married or to whom she would consent ;
e) with or without consent, when she is under fourteen (14) years of age. "

Still sticking with your "cool teen sites" link huh. Why am I not surprised? Not that I expected anything less. It's one of the main reasons I usually skip over your posts. But it is fun to slap you around once in a while. Thanks for playing.

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RE: Duty of "Peaceful" Muslims - 12/8/2015 6:43:09 PM

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Nobody knows more about ANYthing than Thompson the keyboard bully. Even when he knows fuck all about fuck all, he knows all there is to know in his convoluted little bucket of maggots he calls a brain and he will bully anybody who disagrees. He is the living (?) proof that you CAN make a negative out of three positives...................................yeah, yeah, yeah !

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RE: Duty of "Peaceful" Muslims - 12/8/2015 6:45:22 PM

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That's it in a nutshell - it's *never* just a religion thing - not with Christians, nor with Muslims. It flabbergasts me constantly that so many people seem to assume that everything about what this or that group of Muslims does is entirely determined by their religion. Why would it be? It isn't for people who are Christian.

Again here lies the problem. Treating Islam as the same as Christianity, leads to such conclusion. This is stem from very little understanding of Islam and just assuming, it's exactly like Christianity. The root of the problem is, you must compare how the bible was compiled, compared to how the Quran was compiled. Quran came directly from Muhammad himself as the source, it came from one source. Bible was compiled by multiple sources. So there is alot of questionable bits in the bible that can easily be allergorised or said to be inaccurate. But with the Quran, IF people fail to understand what Muhammad was trying to say in the Quran. There are Tafsir and Hadith, also considered Islamic authentic text to clarify and give clear examples of exactly what Muhammad means when he says anything in the Quran.

Many moderate Muslims are horrified themselves about what's in the Tafsir and Hadith, it would lead to exactly what Terrorists believe in, and for them to feel comfortable with their own religion, they choose to believe those are not truth, and just make it like Christianity, just stick to the Quran and allegorise things. But true Islam includes the Hadith and the Tafsir.

The combination of the Quran,Hadith and Tafsir brings a very violent and I call it old testament upgrade version 2 ideology.

Some Muslims choose to ignore the bad stuffs to assimilate into modern societies, but there will always be those who will be religious and pious that will follow the exact text, AS LONG as we keep encouraging it by blanketing it as the Religion of Peace.

Sometimes, what is amazing is, there is so much hateful content in that religion, yet we blindly choose to ignore it.

We think KKK is bad, Nazism is bad, as those are evil ideology preaching hate to a particular group of people, yet Islam gets special treatment and have the whole world support their stance that despite preaching hate in their holy text, they are apparently still peaceful.

Is by default of defining their ideology as a Religion, automatically makes it peaceful? Time for KKK and Nazis to call themselves a Religion too to be branded peaceful. Scientology managed to.

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RE: Duty of "Peaceful" Muslims - 12/8/2015 6:54:06 PM

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The thing that puzzles me is.

We have no problems with radical christian label, but radical Muslim is slowly become promoted by the left to be politically incorrect. They are trying to claim, because it's not islam. I think the new appropriate term is "Radical Terrorists" now, omitting the Islam or Muslim word anywhere in it.

But nobody ever protested against terms like Radical Christian Terrorist, or Radical Christian Terrorism.

I've never heard anybody being upset about those terms, claiming they aren't Christians. I mean, they identify as Christians, people just kinda accept them as crazy fanatic fundies doing what crazy fanatic fundies usually do. Nobody takes them seriously.

Yet with Muslims, it's now all tipping toes on eggshells, can't call them radical anymore!

I mean, terrorist Muslims are fundie Muslims. That's what they are!

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RE: Duty of "Peaceful" Muslims - 12/8/2015 7:00:11 PM

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e) with or without consent, when she is under fourteen (14) years of age. "

I hope you were never a lawyer, your poor 14 yr old victim may end up having her rapist go free, because you were ignorant at the laws and how it works to prosecute under 16 illegal sex. Imagine you simply insisting to the judge that no crime has been commited because of your own oversight.

It is illegal to have sex with a person under the age of 16 with or without the minor’s consent. Sex with a person below 16 is called “Statutory Penetration of a Minor Under 16″, S376A, Penal Code.

If the minor is a girl below 14, the offence is called statutory rape.

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RE: Duty of "Peaceful" Muslims - 12/8/2015 8:28:52 PM

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Time for KKK and Nazis to call themselves a Religion too to be branded peaceful.

The KKK promotes themselves as a Protestant Christian organization.

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RE: Duty of "Peaceful" Muslims - 12/8/2015 9:10:21 PM

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Time for KKK and Nazis to call themselves a Religion too to be branded peaceful.

The KKK promotes themselves as a Protestant Christian organization.

Falsey promotes themselves as a Protestant Christian organization.

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RE: Duty of "Peaceful" Muslims - 12/8/2015 9:26:55 PM

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lol oh you sound like a sunni muslim denigrating a shia muslim
or..are they apostates....even so why arent you in the streets rising up to stop the evil fundamentalist assholes.
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RE: Duty of "Peaceful" Muslims - 12/8/2015 10:02:07 PM

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That's just absurd. Why would the Muslims have to apologize for the actions of Islamist radicals, when the Islamist radicals have killed far more Muslims than non-Muslims? It's pretty obvious they are not on the same "team".

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RE: Duty of "Peaceful" Muslims - 12/8/2015 10:33:25 PM

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its not me you have to convince.

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RE: Duty of "Peaceful" Muslims - 12/8/2015 11:53:51 PM

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Oside you are my hero!!! Finally, someone that understands my point.

I understand why people are not remaining in their home countries and fighting (that has been a big argument on refugees...if they don't like what is happening in their countries, they should stand up and fight back). I understand seeking safety and not wanting your kids in the midst. What I cannot understand is why those Muslims already in other countries (those still in Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran... Cannot because they would be labeled apostates) don't group together and basically do a media blitz. "We are Muslim. If you want to use our name, claim to do stuff in our name...here are the standards". Granted, I would assume that, like Martin Luther, they would have to adopt a new name and break away from those who claim to be "Muslim" who have failed to follow the accepted teachings. Yeah..it sucks (NOT unlike the Balto. Colts taking off for Indy AND being allowed to keep OUR name...but I digress ) but I think that the name has been permanently sullied anyway

Ok...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pwmdAjePLY

Could you please explain to me how ordinary people are supposed to "fight back" in that sort of environment?

Furthermore, to follow this argument to its logical conclusion you should be "apologising" for the actions of Dylan Roof, or Timothy McVeigh, or any one of the other white American killers.

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RE: Duty of "Peaceful" Muslims - 12/8/2015 11:59:08 PM

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Could you please explain to me how ordinary people are supposed to "fight back" in that sort of environment?

How did ordinary people fight back against the oppressive catholic controlled regime of medieval times and how did we reach a stage in modern society where religion no longer holds significant power in politics in the west?

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RE: Duty of "Peaceful" Muslims - 12/9/2015 12:03:02 AM

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The KKK promotes themselves as a Protestant Christian organization.

So when I really think about this, KKK has interesting targets. They don't attack non-christians, they simply dislike people of colour. So if you are black christian, they are gonna hate you.

I don't know if they can quote a bible verse where it is their christian duty to be nasty to people of colour. Fortunately they can't justify their actions through the Bible.

But in the case of ISIS, they have been quoting Quran to justify their jihad, this is why their recruitment is so successful, even just radicalise individuals from so far away. It's just about bringing up Quran verses and having a debate about the real meaning of what their duty as a Muslim is, clear authentic references from Quran, Hadiths. And they win that debate. And they convert moderates through it.

The reality is, end of the day, I believe all Islamic extremists are only doing what they genuinely believe their religions requires them to do.

I mean even these two California folks who just had a baby. Think about it? They aren't doing it for political reasons, for greed, for power, or anything, what do they have to gain? They went on a suicide mission. They sacrificed themselves. They simply did it because they believed it was their duty as true Muslims to carry out Allah's work. And they were willing to leave their baby behind to do so.

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RE: Duty of "Peaceful" Muslims - 12/9/2015 1:37:42 AM

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hundreds-muslims-marching-against-terrorism-6977099

Hundreds of Muslims marched through central London at the weekend to call for peace and unity.

Yet the organisers of the annual procession said not one single mainstream media outlet covered it because it was not "juicy" enough.

Men, women and children were pictured and filmed waving brightly coloured banners during the UK Arbaeen Procession on Sunday.

It is is organised every year by the Husaini Islamic Trust UK and according to their website is the ‘largest annually organised Islamic event in Europe’

The march aims to promote the teachings of Imam Husain – a grandson of the Prophet Mohammed they revere as a freedom fighter for standing up against dictators trying to deny citizens their rights.

@MalsharifiHundreds of Muslims flooded the streets of LondonMarch: Hundreds of Muslims flooded the streets of London
On its website , organisers wrote they aimed for a "peaceful and successful procession and to cement a bond of unity and friendship between people of all ages and cultures under the banner of love for the Holy Household."

Mohammed Al-Sharifi, a part-time activist and regular volunteer at The Husaini Trust told Unilad : "We can still apply the same principles today when we are terrorised by the likes of ISIS. The message applies now more than ever to current issues.

"We are trying to undo people’s misconceptions about Islam – this a multi-faith event and we are trying to promote universal human values."

Attendance at the march – which starts at Marble Arch and heads down Park Lane – has increased steadily year on year.

But its organisers said the march was not covered because the media is reluctant to give a platform to moderate Muslims.

“It’s never covered because it’s not juicy,” said Mohammed. “If a Muslim does something juicy it goes viral, it’s front page news. The mainstream media is reluctant to give a platform to moderate Muslims.”

Mohammed is also involved in the #NO2ISIS official Facebook page, which has gathered over 17,000 likes since the extremist terror group first came into being.

He said: "I’ve never met anyone who is pro-ISIS, 99 per cent of Muslims just want to lead peaceful lives, you know, have a coffee with friends. This is the message we want to get out there."

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RE: Duty of "Peaceful" Muslims - 12/9/2015 2:35:41 AM

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Could you please explain to me how ordinary people are supposed to "fight back" in that sort of environment?

How did ordinary people fight back against the oppressive catholic controlled regime of medieval times and how did we reach a stage in modern society where religion no longer holds significant power in politics in the west?

You either:

1. Didn't bother to watch the youtube link.

2. Don't realize that the oppressive Catholic controlled regime of medieval times didn't have tanks.

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Watch this. WARNING: It is extremely violent and graphic, depicting the deaths of those who do try to face down modern weapons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-4uXkbDhis

That's Bahrain...

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-resuming-arms-sales-to-bahrains-military-1435618872

We in the West have a duty to stop our governments doing this shit. How are you getting along with that?

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RE: Duty of "Peaceful" Muslims - 12/9/2015 3:23:17 AM

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2. Don't realize that the oppressive Catholic controlled regime of medieval times didn't have tanks.

So you are saying IF the catholic oppressors have tanks, their extremism would be undefeated? Seriously?

Your other thing about US arm sales to Muslims. I'm all for Muslims killing each other and not interfering. Helping or arming them has never been part of anything I support so it's irrelevant to me.

Maybe when bad Muslims kill enough good Muslims, the good Muslims will stop being defensive about their religion and acknowledging that their religion is the problem. And to me, a good Muslim is a Muslim that does not follow Islam religiously.

I also have the view towards Christians. I don't like Fundie Christians. I love Christians who don't even attend church the same way I love Muslims who eat pork with me, which means, I think the only real peaceful Muslims are Kazakhstan Muslims. They are pork eating Muslims. And I love that they don't take the Quran seriously.

I mean, imagine if Muslim Nations have to clean up the Mess of Oppressive Catholics for example? Do they? NO! So Christian Nations clean up their own mess. Why don't Muslim Nations clean up their own mess too? The battle against ISIS would be all the Middle Eastern countries joining forces together. Hell Malaysia and Indonesia should send troops and get involve heavily too. If those people are so-called defaming Islam, then the moderates should be up in arms about it.

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RE: Duty of "Peaceful" Muslims - 12/9/2015 3:30:13 AM

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The march aims to promote the teachings of Imam Husain – a grandson of the Prophet Mohammed they revere as a freedom fighter for standing up against dictators trying to deny citizens their rights.

This is the problem with Islam. They have to use Muhammad's grandson because Muhammad is a bad role model. ISIS is flying the Muhammad flag and peaceful muslims are flying his grandson's flag? His grandson who isn't even a prophet of Islam that is approved by Allah as a role model in accordance of their official religion?

Love them to start a new division following Muhammad's grandson. And what religious text will they use? Are they gonna denounce the whole Quran by Muhammad himself?

I don't oppose to their idea. But IF they are fighting radical Muslims, they are using a less respected figure in Islam to claim their ideas are more authentic, it's a losing battle.

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RE: Duty of "Peaceful" Muslims - 12/9/2015 3:32:36 AM

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2. Don't realize that the oppressive Catholic controlled regime of medieval times didn't have tanks.

So you are saying IF the catholic oppressors have tanks, their extremism would be undefeated? Seriously?

Your other thing about US arm sales to Muslims. I'm all for Muslims killing each other and not interfering. Helping or arming them has never been part of anything I support so it's irrelevant to me.

Maybe when bad Muslims kill enough good Muslims, the good Muslims will stop being defensive about their religion and acknowledging that their religion is the problem. And to me, a good Muslim is a Muslim that does not follow Islam religiously.

I also have the view towards Christians. I don't like Fundie Christians. I love Christians who don't even attend church the same way I love Muslims who eat pork with me, which means, I think the only real peaceful Muslims are Kazakhstan Muslims. They are pork eating Muslims. And I love that they don't take the Quran seriously.

I mean, imagine if Muslim Nations have to clean up the Mess of Oppressive Catholics for example? Do they? NO! So Christian Nations clean up their own mess. Why don't Muslim Nations clean up their own mess too? The battle against ISIS would be all the Middle Eastern countries joining forces together. Hell Malaysia and Indonesia should send troops and get involve heavily too. If those people are so-called defaming Islam, then the moderates should be up in arms about it.

You can't appear to see the difference between rebelling against a government who communicates by page and written letter, armed with swords, and rebelling against a government who communicate instantly and electronically over any distance, who are armed with tanks and machine guns.

You can tell the difference, you're just being intellectually dishonest.

YOUR government is supplying these weapons. How can you possibly say that Muslims should "clean up their own mess" when YOUR government is supplying the weapons used to create the mess in the first place.

It's like being a drug dealer but complaining about all the drug addicts.

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RE: Duty of "Peaceful" Muslims - 12/9/2015 3:34:51 AM

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I am pretty sure my government does not supply weapons. Trust me, we buy weapons and stash it for ourselves and will never supply anybody weapons. We are too self-centred as a country for that! We are too busy trying to arm up and keep radical Indonesian Muslims from invading us.

But I still say Muslims should clean up their own mess. Let's face facts. US is arming everybody equally in the middle east. The richer one just keeps buying from them. They got the oil wealth to afford enough weapons to fix their own shit.

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