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Unless you compare the "per pupil" spending of Lucas Co. public school districts, your "Top 100" information is interesting, but not relevant. Of those Top 100 school districts, how many have a black demographic less than Toledo's? More than Toledo?

Obviously, I will not spend my time seeking the student demographics of each of the 99 other largest school districts. But lets take the one that spends the most. NYC has a student population of over one million. The city spends 80.71% of revenue on students.
About 1.1 million students attend New York City public schools.
About 40% of students in the city's public school system live in households where a language other than English is spoken, and one-third of all New Yorkers were born in another country. The city's Department of Education translates report cards, registration forms, system-wide alerts, and documents on health and policy initiatives for parents into Spanish, French, German, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Hindi, Bengali, Urdu, Persian, Arabic, and Haitian Creole.
In the 2010-2011, Hispanics and Latino students made up 39.9% of the student population. African Americans made up 30.3% of the student population, Non-Hispanic Whites made up 14.3% and Asian American students made up 15.0% of the student populace. Native Americans made up the remaining 0.5% of the student body.[20]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Department_of_Education#Demographics
Let's review: 70.2% of NYC students are people of color (black and brown) 14.3% are white. Expenditures per student 80.71 %.
In Toledo 52.1% are students of color while 39.1% are white. Toledo manages to spend only 56.61% of revenues per student.
Why would that be? Is it possible that the Toledo Board of Education doesn't give a rat's ass about students of color? Well, maybe. Who eats the rest of the pie? Maybe Toledo needs a good community organizer. I understand there will be one available soon.

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Race isn't an issue. Do you support forced integration?

Yes, I support SCOTUS decision in Brown vs. Topeka Board of Education.

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Yes, I supported the forced integration of schools in Mississippi and Alabama. I was among the first white teaching staff in the nearly all black district of Opa Locka, Dade County and I taught a number of years in Miami's Little Havana district. So, I was there. I saw it work, not without problems of course, but work it did. Now the charter school scam is re-segregating the schools.

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I can't speak for anyone else, but the reason my ex (then wife) and I moved was because the schools were bad, and the city was run poorly

This is not about you personally. This is about our on going sin of institutional racism that began with the slave trade.

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I think the "blacks as an underclass" idea is more a function of Democratic Party goals and ideals than anything. I'm not saying, necessarily, that I think the Democrat Party is intentionally keeping blacks down, but that the programs installed to help blacks end up actually hurting them more than they help. Minimum wage laws have increased black unemployment (especially among black youth). All the social welfare programs have a tendency to increase the entitlement mentality (which knows no racial boundaries).

Not only have you imbibed heavily of the liquor of upper class propaganda you have eaten of the toxic toadstool that it is the victims of racism themselves who are to blame. Bill Clinton 'reformed welfare as we knew it' but no-one built industrial plants to provide jobs. As a related aside I caught the news that Flint, Michigan does not have even one food store. And when was the last time minimum wage was improved and what amount of black jobs were lost? You speak in such generalizations to keep away truth that America is an extremely racist nation. Just look to the numbers of blacks who are incarcerated for non-violent drug possession. Look at the number of unarmed black men who are pulled aside in police stop and frisk operations; and look at the number murdered by police.
Blacks and Browns will continue to be an underclass as long as corporate America continues to outsource manufacturing jobs and as long as we continue to live the politics of fear that require an eternally increasing Defense budget; and as long as Republican legislatures in the states continue to try to infringe on the rights of blacks/browns to vote.

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The first federal minimum wage law, the Davis-Bacon Act of 1931, was passed in part explicitly to prevent black construction workers from "taking jobs" from white construction workers by working for lower wages. It was not meant to protect black workers from "exploitation" but to protect white workers from competition.

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Finding forced school segregation unconstitutional is a far cry from supporting forced integration, though.

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And, integrating previously schools that had been segregated by law, is a far cry from forced integration, too. Do you support a person being allowed to attend any school district in the county as long as the family is a resident of that county? Do you support mandating all the public schools in a county to have racial demographics on par with each other? How would you make that happen (if you support it)?

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41.4% of Flint's population is white. 53.3% is black. How is Flint not having a food store racist if it's happening to all the races?

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The first federal minimum wage law, the Davis-Bacon Act of 1931, was passed in part explicitly to prevent black construction workers from "taking jobs" from white construction workers by working for lower wages. It was not meant to protect black workers from "exploitation" but to protect white workers from competition.

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How many whites commit the same crimes as blacks? How many whites get incarcerated for the same crimes as blacks? Do whites get off more (I think that's the stat) because they are white? Have better lawyers? Is the "better lawyer" part based on them being white?

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Finding forced school segregation unconstitutional is a far cry from supporting forced integration, though.

How so, DS?

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And, integrating previously schools that had been segregated by law, is a far cry from forced integration, too. Do you support a person being allowed to attend any school district in the county as long as the family is a resident of that county? Do you support mandating all the public schools in a county to have racial demographics on par with each other? How would you make that happen (if you support it)?

Previously segregated schools were the result of red-lining mortgages in the North and in the South burning crosses on the lawn with assassinations such as happened to Medger Evers. In the North it was the result of neighborhood busting and white flight. Some realtor paid over the top price for one house in a white neighborhood for a black family to take up residence. I saw it happen in Opa Loka, a small city in Dade County. Whites sold their homes lickity split. My wife's uncle panicked, brought a house in an unincorporated area and the neighborhood was busted. Forced busing seemed to be the only answer.

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The problem with allowing kids within a county, especially a large county like Dade, arose in Athletics. Football and basketball couches searched for promising athletes in other high school districts. That was when the kid was supposed to attend the High School nearest his or her home. Another problem in a large area County like Dade arises from the cost of transportation which falls upon the parents, where there is an affordability divide.

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It is workable in NYC where there is an excellent transit system with reduced rates for kids. A kid from Brooklyn could attend the Bronx High School of Science on merit
and if he were willing to make the long subway ride to and fro. Incidentally, local school districts went to court to get an order to enforce busing, or someone in the district did. It wasn't a popular move but there was no other way to implement Brown vs. Board. It was messy as hell. I recall one fool teacher packing a gun and in Boston's Southey area there were white riots.

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41.4% of Flint's population is white. 53.3% is black. How is Flint not having a food store racist if it's happening to all the races?

State-appointed emergency managers currently run Detroit along with five other Michigan cities and three school districts. While the cities under emergency management together contain just nine percent of Michigan's population, they contain, notably, about half of the state's African-American residents. Blatant institutional racism.

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The first federal minimum wage law, the Davis-Bacon Act of 1931, was passed in part explicitly to prevent black construction workers from "taking jobs" from white construction workers by working for lower wages. It was not meant to protect black workers from "exploitation" but to protect white workers from competition.

How does that show increasing minimum wage costs jobs?

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How many whites commit the same crimes as blacks? How many whites get incarcerated for the same crimes as blacks? Do whites get off more (I think that's the stat) because they are white? Have better lawyers? Is the "better lawyer" part based on them being white?

In 2010, Congress passed the Fair Sentencing Act (FSA), which reduced the sentencing disparity between offenses for crack and powder cocaine from 100:1 to 18:1. The scientifically unjustifiable 100:1 ratio meant that people faced longer sentences for offenses involving crack cocaine than for offenses involving the same amount of powder cocaine – two forms of the same drug. Most disturbingly, because the majority of people arrested for crack offenses are African American, the 100:1 ratio resulted in vast racial disparities in the average length of sentences for comparable offenses. On average, under the 100:1 regime, African Americans served virtually as much time in prison for non-violent drug offenses as whites did for violent offenses. The FSA represents a decade-long, and truly bipartisan, effort to reduce the racial disparities caused by the draconian crack cocaine sentencing laws and to restore confidence in the criminal justice system — particularly in communities of color.
I recall that the president reduced the ratio even further recently by Executive Order.

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Stop and Frisk: it's so freakin complicated!
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/392/1
http://www.acluohio.org/archives/cases/terry-v-ohio

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Significantly, Terry does not provide blanket authority to intrude on an individual’s right to be left alone, nor does it allow such intrusion based on a police offers inarticulate hunch that a crime is about to occur or is in progress. However, it does radically expand police authority to investigate crimes where there is a reasonable basis for suspicion.

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"Forced integration," on the other hand is taking people from separate areas and integrating them according to skin color/race. I would have to imagine that's just as unConstitutional.

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"White flight."

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Does Dade Co. run all the public schools?

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Do you support mandating all the public schools in a county to have racial demographics on par with each other? How would you make that happen (if you support it)?

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Detroit's slide into bankruptcy was primarily done under Democratic leadership. The last time there was a GOP Mayor was in 1962.

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It shows that the minimum wage law was set to reduce the attractiveness of hiring blacks. Overall jobs may not have dropped, but the number of blacks construction workers sure dropped.

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"Forced integration," on the other hand is taking people from separate areas and integrating them according to skin color/race. I would have to imagine that's just as unConstitutional.

You would be imagining incorrectly. Sometimes government and the courts have to act for the greater good or to overcome racial discrimination as when the Court overturned Plessey vs. Ferguson, when Roosevelt integrated the war industry, Harry Truman integrated the military, and Obama integrated gays in the military. Blacks have suffered two centuries of injustice. That is an abomination, a large stain on our history.

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Do you support mandating all the public schools in a county to have racial demographics on par with each other? How would you make that happen (if you support it)?

I support it. That was the goal in 1970. It was done by bussing kids out of their neighborhoods. It is starting to resegregate however, partly due to the charter school movement. It never did achieve real parity. In a county where different cities have different school boards it has proven quite impossible, as you can imagine. There is a distinct social good derived from having children meet inter-racially and break down the walls of ignorance, hostility, and fear.

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Detroit's slide into bankruptcy was primarily done under Democratic leadership. The last time there was a GOP Mayor was in 1962.

Oh, puhleze. Detroit's slide into bankruptcy began when the American auto industry was unable to compete with cheap imports from Japan. Flint is a prime example of the loss of jobs and the reduction of tax base. Detroit is just Flint multiplied. Your politicization of the ruinous impact that globalization of capital has wrought is either deliberately misleading or terribly uninformed.

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It shows that the minimum wage law was set to reduce the attractiveness of hiring blacks. Overall jobs may not have dropped, but the number of blacks construction workers sure dropped.

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"Forced integration," on the other hand is taking people from separate areas and integrating them according to skin color/race. I would have to imagine that's just as unConstitutional.

You would be imagining incorrectly. Sometimes government and the courts have to act for the greater good or to overcome racial discrimination as when the Court overturned Plessey vs. Ferguson, when Roosevelt integrated the war industry, Harry Truman integrated the military, and Obama integrated gays in the military. Blacks have suffered two centuries of injustice. That is an abomination, a large stain on our history.

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"White flight."

Doesn't imply anything. It is the explicit name given to an observed historical event. Your implied rationalizations are after the fact.

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Does Dade Co. run all the public schools?

According to the 2014 census, the county had a population of 2,662,874,[1] making it the most populous county in Florida and the seventh-most populous county in the United States.[2] It is also Florida's third-largest county in terms of land area, with 1,946 square miles (5,040 km2). The county seat is Miami.[3]The county is home to 34 incorporated cities and many unincorporated areas. The northern, central and eastern portions of the county are heavily urbanized with many high rises up the coastline, as well as the location of South Florida's central business district, Downtown Miami. Southern Miami-Dade County includes the Redland and Homestead areas, which make up the agricultural economy of Miami. There is a strip of dredged up coral rock along the east coast upon which Miami Beach was built.
The school district is consolidated. Miami-Dade County Public Schools is the fourth largest school district in the United States, comprised of 392 schools, 345,000 students and over 40,000 employees

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Do you support mandating all the public schools in a county to have racial demographics on par with each other? How would you make that happen (if you support it)?

I support it. That was the goal in 1970. It was done by bussing kids out of their neighborhoods. It is starting to resegregate however, partly due to the charter school movement. It never did achieve real parity. In a county where different cities have different school boards it has proven quite impossible, as you can imagine. There is a distinct social good derived from having children meet inter-racially and break down the walls of ignorance, hostility, and fear.

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Detroit's slide into bankruptcy was primarily done under Democratic leadership. The last time there was a GOP Mayor was in 1962.

Oh, puhleze. Detroit's slide into bankruptcy began when the American auto industry was unable to compete with cheap imports from Japan. Flint is a prime example of the loss of jobs and the reduction of tax base. Detroit is just Flint multiplied. Your politicization of the ruinous impact that globalization of capital has wrought is either deliberately misleading or terribly uninformed.

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It shows that the minimum wage law was set to reduce the attractiveness of hiring blacks. Overall jobs may not have dropped, but the number of blacks construction workers sure dropped.

So, admittedly, it was an act of institutional racism. This no longer 1931. We are no longer primarily an industrial nation but a service and banking economy where wealth flows upwards and the stooges of the moneyed elite blame the poor for their own poverty at $7.00 per hour. The black and white underclass at Walmart are competing with Asian slave labor.

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You wasted billions of man hours busing students from one school to another. Spent billions of dollars. What were the tangible results of all that money spent?
Did having itegrated schools result in better grades? More tolerance? Have blacks and whites integrated?

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The idea that you can distribute a "minority" that comprises 13% of the population and achieve "parity" - well, someone needs to explain math to you.

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Third. You can't blame resegregation on charter schools. Whites flew to the suburbs

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Democrat policies were what ensured that the city would fail.

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Goes along with the idea - you can't legislate morality. You want to try to force people to integrate - and they will find ways to oppose it. Stop playing dictator.

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All life competes. And no system is ever going to change that. The key to winning is not minimum wage - its better roads, better railroads, better schools, better power grids, predictable laws; fair taxation.

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Asians are quite successful in Dade schools although they are less than 1.0% of the student population. Fuck your math. In 2010/2011 school year black (non Hispanic) constituted 24.5% of Dade's student population, not 13%. More of your fucked up math.

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Like the European left, the American left is obsessed with social engineering. The chief difference is that the American left couches its attempts to use government power to enforce social ideals in moralistic terms...many leftists prefer emotional screeds to rational argumentation and will not listen to any evidence contrary to their position. An example of this is the issue of school busing that has recently become an issue in Raleigh, North Carolina. [this is from 2010]

The use of school busing to promote “racial balance” is clearly one of the failed experiments of the American left. I am from Rutherford County, Tennessee, just to the south of Metropolitan Nashville Davidson County. When busing was introduced into Davidson County Schools in 1970, many children, even small children, had to get up at four a.m. in order to be bussed across town. Many white families fled to adjoining counties such as Rutherford or Williamson. Private schools sprang up like wheat as wealthier families rushed to pull their children out of the public school system. Over the years, Davidson County Schools became re-segregated, and this scenario has repeated itself in other places where school busing has been tried—in some cases children were bused across county and school district lines. None of these decisions to bus children had popular support; rather, they were imposed by the federal judiciary, which in effect acted as a dictatorship to force a reorganization of society according to its will. The attempt failed, just as earlier attempts to force racial segregation failed.

What the left fails to understand is the organic nature of human communities. Normally a community is born when individuals voluntarily settle into an area. Over the years the community changes as people are born, die, move, and others move in. Overly rapid change tends to disrupt community harmony—arguably, the extreme mobility of American society is not good for stable communities. Although a community is more than the sum of the individuals that make it up, and the traditions a community develops over time help hold it together (as traditional conservatives recognize), the decision to join a community is ultimately a free and voluntary choice (as libertarians recognize). To interfere with such choice by forced resettlement (as the Soviet Union tried, especially under Stalin) or by forced busing, upsets the order of the community and can only lead to conflict or the ultimate destruction of the community.

Neighborhood schools promote a sense of community, and left-wing attempts to destroy neighborhood schools in the name of some abstraction such as “racial balance” is bad for children from every race and cultural background...

The voters of Raleigh recognized this when they voted in a school board that supports neighborhood schools. But the Fundamentalist Left, led by the NAACP, has led an emotional protest claiming that the plan promoting neighborhood schools is “immoral” and “evil.” These leftists support school busing to promote “racial balance.” They have not learned from the failures of school busing and other attempts at social engineering from the past. [gee, that doesn't sound familiar at all!]

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You wasted billions of man hours busing students from one school to another. Spent billions of dollars. What were the tangible results of all that money spent?
Did having itegrated schools result in better grades? More tolerance? Have blacks and whites integrated?

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The idea that you can distribute a "minority" that comprises 13% of the population and achieve "parity" - well, someone needs to explain math to you.

Asians are quite successful in Dade schools although they are less than 1.0% of the student population. Fuck your math. In 2010/2011 school year black (non Hispanic) constituted 24.5% of Dade's student population, not 13%. More of your fucked up math.

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Third. You can't blame resegregation on charter schools. Whites flew to the suburbs

Suburbs in Dade County? The County is a Unified School District. There are no suburbs. In 1970 there were about 250,000 students in Dade schools. Today there are maybe 330,000. White flight? Where?

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Democrat policies were what ensured that the city would fail.

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Goes along with the idea - you can't legislate morality. You want to try to force people to integrate - and they will find ways to oppose it. Stop playing dictator.

You can't legislate morality? Then what was the 13th Amendment to the Constitution? Freeing the slaves is not a moral issue but desegregation of schools qualifies. Hey? Murder is not a moral issue? Rape is not a moral issue. Dumb shit logic.

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What then is the relation of law to morality? Law cannot prescribe morality, it can prescribe only external actions and therefore it should prescribe only those actions whose mere fulfillment, from whatever motive, the state adjudges to be conducive to welfare. What actions are these? Obviously such actions as promote the physical and social conditions requisite for the expression and development of free—or moral—personality.... Law does not and cannot cover all the ground of morality. To turn all moral obligations into legal obligations would be to destroy morality. Happily it is impossible. No code of law can envisage the myriad changing situations that determine moral obligations. Moreover, there must be one legal code for all, but moral codes vary as much as the individual characters of which they are the expression. To legislate against the moral codes of one’s fellows is a very grave act, requiring for its justification the most indubitable and universally admitted of social gains, for it is to steal their moral codes, to suppress their characters.
ATTRIBUTION: R.M. MacIver (1882–1970), Scottish sociologist, educator. The Modern State, ch. 5, Oxford University Press (1926).

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All life competes. And no system is ever going to change that. The key to winning is not minimum wage - its better roads, better railroads, better schools, better power grids, predictable laws; fair taxation.

No, the key to winning in America is white privilege. Not all life competes. There are many examples of co-operation among humans and among other species. Not only is your math lacking, your knowledge of sociology is piss poor.

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“There is no place in the movement for the white liberal. He is our affliction.”—James Baldwin

I wanted to know why integration—actual, genuine integration—had failed so spectacularly. The result of that curiosity, published a little more than a year ago, was Some of My Best Friends Are Black: The Strange Story of Integration in America, which traced the history of the color line back through all the places I have lived and chronicled the various efforts to erase it: school busing, affirmative action, fair housing, etc...

When I started the book, after eight miserable years of George W. Bush and the euphoria of the Yes We Can crusade, I’d been driven pretty far left on the political spectrum. Taking on the issue of race, you’d think I’d have kept heading in that direction. But the more I read and researched, the more I went out and talked to people, I found that a funny thing was happening: I was becoming more conservative...

...the fact is that a lot of liberals hold on to some really bad ideas about race too. Some of the arguments they keep trotting out amount to little more than unexamined platitudes, riddled with holes. Fifty years after the March on Washington, America’s high school cafeterias are as racially divided as ever, income inequality is growing, and mass incarceration has hobbled an entire generation of young black men. Do we really think this is entirely due to Republican obstruction? Or is it also possible that the party charged with taking black Americans to the Promised Land has been running around in circles?...

...as good as liberal policies on race sound in speeches, many of them don’t hold up in the real world...

Resegregation is a misleading term because it implies that the left’s large-scale integrationist schemes were working, and would have continued to work, if not for the meddling of Republicans. But to believe that premise, you’d have to accept the assertion that the peak year for school integration happened 25 years ago. Does anyone remember the mid- to late-1980s as a flowering of adolescent racial harmony in America? I don’t. The truth is that the left has crafted a narrative about the death of Brown v. Board, a convenient one that serves its own ends. The reality is much more grim, and it starts in the place where Democrats drove the school bus into the ditch: Detroit....

The urban riots that rocked Detroit in 1967 were among the worst in the nation. White flight in the Motor City was well ahead of the curve. By the early ’70s the city’s public school population was 69.8 percent black and climbing fast, even though the metro area, as a whole, was only 19 percent black. In 1971, in the case of Milliken v. Bradley, District Judge Stephen J. Roth found that the Detroit school board had employed illegal measures to keep its schools racially segregated, in violation of Brown v. Board. But because so many whites had already fled the city, there weren’t enough white kids left to integrate Detroit’s schools. Roth ruled that the only way to create a meaningful racial balance in Detroit’s public schools was to include all of the surrounding suburban school districts in the proposed remedy; he mandated that the state of Michigan create a busing plan that would take thousands of black kids out into fortress suburbia and haul thousands of white kids back downtown....

Nixon’s Supreme Court shut down Detroit’s busing plan on nakedly political grounds. Metropolitan areas are interdependent ecosystems. They share highways, electrical grids, sewerage systems—just not schools. But here’s the thing: just because the plan was shut down for racist reasons doesn’t change the fact that the plan needed to be shut down. It was a ludicrous idea. For Detroit to have met the standard of racial balance set by the court, it would have had to expand its bus fleet by 350 new vehicles at a cost of more than $12,000 each in order to move tens of thousands of children across 53 independent school districts at a hard cost of $25 per student per month during a time when the Detroit city school system was already several million dollars in debt. This was busing on the scale of the Normandy invasion, executed twice a day, five days a week, with 12- and 13-year-olds.

Though thoroughly segregated, blacks and whites lived in relative proximity in the South, and moving a couple hundred kids this way or that wasn’t a huge logistical obstacle. That wasn’t true in the bigger cities of the urban North and sprawling West, where massive, isolated ghettos had been formed by redlining and other discriminatory housing policies. In those cities, busing proposals reached great heights of absurdity. To meet its court-imposed deadlines, Los Angeles would have needed to expand its fleet by 800 buses to redistribute tens of thousands of students in a school district that covered hundreds of square miles...

Segregation in the North was a different disease than segregation in the Deep South. Yet Democrats prescribed the same course of treatment. Busing advocates had fallen victim to a common human fallacy: If it’s not working, do it more. It’s a mistake we all make when we really believe in something. And a lot of hardcore liberals ardently believed in integration. How did they fail so badly in their efforts to achieve it?

The left’s first blunder on integration: Not actually knowing what integration was...

The left’s second blunder on integration: Busing wasn’t actually what black America was asking for. [see the opening quote of my post]

The left’s third blunder on integration: Sending white kids to black schools...

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Asians are quite successful in Dade schools although they are less than 1.0% of the student population. Fuck your math. In 2010/2011 school year black (non Hispanic) constituted 24.5% of Dade's student population, not 13%. More of your fucked up math.

Does Miami-Dade County spend the same amount, per student at every school (based on level of the school) in the County?

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Fifty years after the March on Washington, America’s high school cafeterias are as racially divided as ever, income inequality is growing, and mass incarceration has hobbled an entire generation of young black men

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Do we really think this is entirely due to Republican obstruction? Or is it also possible that the party charged with taking black Americans to the Promised Land

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Does anyone remember the mid- to late-1980s as a flowering of adolescent racial harmony in America?

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Nixon’s Supreme Court shut down Detroit’s busing plan on nakedly political grounds. Metropolitan areas are interdependent ecosystems. They share highways, electrical grids, sewerage systems—just not schools. But here’s the thing: just because the plan was shut down for racist reasons doesn’t change the fact that the plan needed to be shut down. It was a ludicrous idea. For Detroit to have met the standard of racial balance set by the court, it would have had to expand its bus fleet by 350 new vehicles at a cost of more than $12,000 each in order to move tens of thousands of children across 53 independent school districts at a hard cost of $25 per student per month during a time when the Detroit city school system was already several million dollars in debt. This was busing on the scale of the Normandy invasion, executed twice a day, five days a week, with 12- and 13-year-olds.

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Though thoroughly segregated, blacks and whites lived in relative proximity in the South, and moving a couple hundred kids this way or that wasn’t a huge logistical obstacle. That wasn’t true in the bigger cities of the urban North and sprawling West, where massive, isolated ghettos had been formed by redlining and other discriminatory housing policies. In those cities, busing proposals reached great heights of absurdity. To meet its court-imposed deadlines, Los Angeles would have needed to expand its fleet by 800 buses to redistribute tens of thousands of students in a school district that covered hundreds of square miles...

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Segregation in the North was a different disease than segregation in the Deep South

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The Registry has a bar chart of racial involvement. Notice that although only 13% of the national population exonerated blacks far out number whites in every category except child sex abuse.

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The cost to buy buses? Oh, Dear Lord! How does that compare to the cost of the Civil War to free the slave? Three hundred new buses as compared to 600 million lives done on the battle field. Shameful excuse.

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setting aside for the moment the tremendously wide and likely un-crossable logic gap between the civil war and busing...

if i can join in on the math and numbers lesson---what's 4 million more dollars in buses, hundreds of thousands in operating costs per year, on top of already being millions in the red---its "for the children" you know?

and how conveniently he ignored that the blacks themselves didn't want it.

he seem to be the very liberal in this quote: “There is no place in the movement for the white liberal. He is our affliction.”—James Baldwin

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
Asians are quite successful in Dade schools although they are less than 1.0% of the student population. Fuck your math. In 2010/2011 school year black (non Hispanic) constituted 24.5% of Dade's student population, not 13%. More of your fucked up math.

Does Miami-Dade County spend the same amount, per student at every school (based on level of the school) in the County?

I honestly don't know. Let google be your friend.