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Greta75 -> RE: Win-Win to Abortion issue (2/17/2016 8:45:47 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul
What about all the girls and boys whose formal sexual education is dictated by a conservative curriculum, so they are taught abstinence only?
Oh ya, these are things that I don't think about because what US calls common core is instilled in my country, so every child goes through sex education and birth prevention. I mean, we all go through the same education.
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Or the ones who are taught only 'natural' methods, due to religious curriculum? What happens when they follow what they were taught to the letter, and still end up pregnant?
Those religious folks ain't gonna abort because they are religious and they aren't suppose to abort but keep the child anyway!
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Or the ones who can't afford contraception because insurance plans won't cover it? One month of contraception cost like $1.50 in my country. I don't know how much it cost in the US. But US do have the most ridiculous priced medicine in the whole world. How much is it in the US?
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Or the ones who don't have access to contraception because there are no providers available in their area?
What??? In a developed country like the US? This is possible? It's impossible in my country! All doctors, government and non-government carry contraceptive pills.
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What about women who swear that they always use protection, but still end up pregnant? Nothing is 100% reliable.
I call bullshit on this. I'm probably one of the most promiscuous woman in this forum. And this was since a teenager. I have practiced very safe sex, because I take responsibility for my health and not getting unwanted babies, and an "accident" is impossible to happen. IF all precautions are taken.
1) Take contraceptive pills
2) Use condoms
3) Take morning after pill IF there is accident, like if condoms broke. There is now double protection! Your contraceptive pills and morning after.
IMPOSSIBLE!
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Sometimes guys do lie to get sex, ya know, and inexperienced girls wouldn't necessarily be able to tell. They thought they were being responsible, so why should they be punished like those who were blatantly irresponsible? Or do you then make their partner pay the fine? If so, what happens when the male denies everything?
It's 101% the woman's responsibility to ensure the male does not fuck her sleeveless. You think majority of men don't try that with me? I always make sure I am the one who puts the condom on personally first, and then I always feel his dick for the condom before inserting it inside of me. Practice responsible sex! Impossible to get pregnant!
Unwanted Pregnancy usually arises out of irresponsible actions in the heat of moments! It's still irresponsible. Like getting drunk and driving and knocking someone down, that's irresponsible.
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Believe them and grant them an exception? If so, what happens when more and more women say it? Do you just believe them all?
I believe there is a 100% method of preventing birth while having sex, so yea, it is a no excuse thing. So that women will take it seriously.
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Why is it just the women should always pay the price? They didn't get pregnant by themselves.
Because you take responsibility for what you allow to happen to your body. Unless the man raped you, then he is responsible and should be punished. If it was consensual, the woman is 100% responsible for what happens to her, because she allowed him to have unsafe sex with her.
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You do realize that lots of rapes go unreported. For a variety of reasons. What happens when a female finds out she is pregnant, and says she was raped, but she didn't report it? Do you really think that adding the burden of potential consequences would make reporting the crime easier, or is it possible that it could add to the trauma?
It would make women who got rape report it to prevent the penalty of getting knocked up with no acceptable reason!
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Or even better, we have educated adults in this country who are so blinded by religious fervor that they believe a woman can't get pregnant from a rape, that God would not allow it so He designed our bodies to recognize a sexual violation as a physical stressor that is different from other types of sex, and the body automatically prevents pregnancy.
When such a law is instilled, there will be more education and awareness about preventing birth. Women who are ignorant will more likely be more interested in really educating themselves about it more thoroughly. I believe it will make more women take safe sex more seriously.
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What happens when those people try to get the rape clause revoked?
The justice system have their own way of determining if there is rape or no rape. It's like death penalty. If the court says, it's rape, it's rape. If they say, it's a false accusation, then, it's not rape. There is no perfect system where 0% will slip through the cracks, but community service can be a positive punishment rather than something really detrimental. Cleaning gum and litter is just one minor suggestion. They could go volunteer and help in many organizations instead.
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Because once you have instituted a fine for abortion, then you have legally admitted that the woman is at fault. People will take that farther, and place blame on women for all of these other circumstances, including rape.
I think this is the most ridiculous point ever. Rape is not consensual sex. It's pretty clear, non-consensual sex is not liable. They can blame women for getting rape, which some still do, but still does not change the fact that it was non-consensual, thus, not valid to have consequences.
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