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Men also like to date 'up' btw. It's just that with men 'up' usually has little to do with social class, economic class, or esoteric value systems (which are the things women fall for) and more to do with looks, and how caring/appreciative/nurturing/loving/sexual she is.

I doubt most women would be with a man if they weren't getting something in return. It's very rare to see a not so good looking guy with a model like woman...unless he is super rich.

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ORIGINAL: respectmen

That's my whole point. Women have no problem because there is no heavy scrutiny placed on them on what qualities they have to offer to men in return.

My standpoint is that the people who expect the most out of others should be judged the most on what they are offering themselves.

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It's very rare to see a not so good looking guy with a model like woman...unless he is super rich.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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It's very rare to see a not so good looking guy with a model like woman...unless he is super rich.

It's damn rare to see good looking guys with ugly or extremely overweight women, so what's your point? The guy won't even pick her
EVEN if she's rich or has the best personality.

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Men think it's ridiculous when women get upset when asked about looks, but then get upset when asked about their wallet. The reality is that they are both the same thing. For women, beauty is power. For men, money is power.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Men think it's ridiculous when women get upset when asked about looks, but then get upset when asked about their wallet. The reality is that they are both the same thing. For women, beauty is power. For men, money is power.

But true, generally speaking.
God, how dismal.

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ORIGINAL: Danemora
Put up or shut up time, homie

Within the past 6 months, how many women approached you either in real life or on CS to inquire about meeting you as far as a date goes. Can be as simple as meeting for coffee at the local coffee shop. How many?

How many of those women didn't meet your criteria for a woman you want to date? This is a trick question of course because you shouldn't have ANY criteria since you are advocating women shouldn't either. Every single woman should have gotten a meeting with you. The one so tall that you get a nosebleed looking up at her. The one so short that you looked like you were on a date with a toddler. The fatty on disability pension you spoke about. The woman who's body smells so badly that vultures circle overhead thinking she was a rotting corpse. The single mom with 20 kids by 20 different baby daddies. The woman who dropped out of school when she was 5. The woman who doesnt have a job, a car, or two pennies to rub together. How many women did you go out with?

Because unless you went out with every single woman who approached you, you are a total hypocrite.

That's the thing, though, I have the sneakiest suspicion that respectmen doesn't get approached by any women.
Of course, he doesn't see why he shouldn't be entitled to pity fucks and pity play on demand. No strings attached, at his convenience with minimal to no effort on his part.
That's where the hypocrisy kicks in. He overreaches, I'm sure, in the type of women he finds attractive. Evidently, a "Domme fatty on disability pension" should consider him a good catch or be grateful that he paid her any attention, even though he's not willing to offer her anything of substance.

Undoubtedly, it's all the fault of those big, bad meanie [militant] feminists, because that's the only tune he knows how to sing.
Anyone who doesn't agree with him gets thrown into the feminist camp, btw, by default of not being on board with his anti-feminist rhetoric.
(That, and how women have double standards, whereas he has none, since he doesn't see women as people.)

It doesn't matter how many hundreds of times others have told him anything differently, he refuses to acknowledge (a) that there are any differences between males and females - other than anatomically - and (b) he wants everybody else to play the games he concocts by his rules. Just because, yanno, he thinks they should.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Pffftttt. I can put that to bed right now.

Hey, WaywardSoul. (Hypothetical) I'm going to be in your neighborhood. I notice you're a Walking Dead fan and you have really interesting points about some community issues. I thought it might be fun to meet up. Would you be interested?



Jesus, folks. That's how it's done.

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul
Hey LadyPact, nice to hear from you. Just now getting into TWD and I have a lot of history to catch up on, so yeah, chatting with someone who can fill me in on some of it sounds great!

And I appreciate the comment about community issues. I try to watch and learn and help where I can, and its always nice to meet like-minded kinksters.

Our local group is having a munch at a coffeeshop this week, and they have killer iced coffees. How does that sound? First one is on me!-Wayward

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ORIGINAL: Snitch

Why do people need each other anyway?

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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ORIGINAL: Snitch

Why do people need each other anyway?

Cause fucking somebody is more fun than fucking yourself.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Funny thing. I'd actually do that, and I don't even drink coffee.

Consider it a standing invitation. Our group really does hold their munches at a cool little coffeeshop/alternative bookstore in an old 2 story house where you can wander from room to room checking out cool merchandise, sit in cushy armchairs and read, get coffee, etc. We get to have our own private meeting space on the second floor, and we hold casual, educational discussions and lecture series, rather than just eating and talking. The shop owners bring us our orders upstairs so that we can go right into the meeting without having to wait around if it is crowded. The munch is timed to end at the same time as the shop closes, and everyone heads out to the large covered porch in the front and hangs out and talks for an hour at least. Not unusual for some to go grab a late dinner or drink afterwards. Very social, very inviting.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
In return, *she* responded well. Heck, she even had a plan. She also made it sound like fun. If I ever get the chance, I'm doing it.

One of the most memorable dates I ever had, last February to be exact. Someone who contacted me on here, so yeah it actually does happen, even on this site!

He messaged me saying how after reading my journal, he had to meet the person behind it who made him laugh. He mentioned specific things that I had written about, not just a recent entry but older ones as well, which showed he was not a 'drive-by", or someone who just read enough of my profile to make it look like he paid attention. No pressure, we exchanged a few lighthearted messages, a couple of phone calls. Both of us were always busy so it was hard to plan a meet. One week we realized that we both actually had a few nights free, but he admitted that it would still have to wait until Friday, when he got paid.

My response? Texted back 'Would you let a girl buy you a drink?" He wasn't stupid, he said hell yeah. That same night we met up and had drinks and dinner and told stories and laughed for hours. My dime, and I never gave it a second thought. I was too busy enjoying his company. Go figure!

(in reply to LadyPact)

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ORIGINAL: respectmen

There is a lot of things I disagree with in UllrsIshtar's posts but one thing she is dead right about is that many women do generally seek to date up and wont settle for less. Not all!

It seems to me that you are talking about women with good looks. Men and women, with good looks, have more opportunities. They get to pick and choose. And a lot of times they are choosing someone who can better their lives. There are a lot of men and women who aren't that way. They are just looking for friendship and compatibility.


On these BDSM sites, it's not hard to find some domme fatty on disability pension who thinks she is a winning prize and will only settle for a subby male who is one of the best out of the bunch. Not to mention, them types usually expect men to pay for all their meals while out to support their food habit. Best to let them starve for their own good.
Again, it seems to me you are referring to people who provide a fetish service, and they are in high demand. They can pick and choose.

Anyway, I feel sorry for the men who put up with these chauvinistic, narcissistic airheads you see on these sites... just to get some kink happening. One thing that can be generalised about the dommes on these sites is that they are malignant narcissists.
I think, generally speaking, most people are self-centered and self-absorbed. It's just the way it is today.

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All women look for a man who has higher social standing than they do, in the things they value the most. What they value the most will differ from woman to woman, but all women will want the top 1% of men, in the category of things they value the most.

Speaking of entitlement, men get ridiculed for feeling entitled to have sex with the average woman, which is a fair judgement. But thinking you are entitled to only the best out of the bunch when you aren't holding that standard yourself is a far bigger sense of entitlement than a guy feeling entitled to the chick next door. It's pretty much socially acceptable for women to feel entitled to nearly anything from men without being laughed at.
When you say "the best out of the bunch" can you describe what that is? What are the qualities this person has?

That's my whole point. Women have no problem because there is no heavy scrutiny placed on them on what qualities they have to offer to men in return.
My impression is most men want sex in return.

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Our group really does hold their munches at a cool little coffeeshop/alternative bookstore in an old 2 story house where you can wander from room to room checking out cool merchandise, sit in cushy armchairs and read, get coffee, etc. We get to have our own private meeting space on the second floor, and we hold casual, educational discussions and lecture series, rather than just eating and talking.

Ooo, sounds really cool!

Hey LP, have you ever tried a Chai latte? It's spicy tea incase you're not familiar with it, but I find once you get use to it it's a great coffee substitute. When I first tried Chai I thought it was the most fucked up drink ever invented... But it grows on you @_@, pretty invigorating cup of tea!

I'd like to meet you one day too LP, add me to the bucket list! First Chai latte is on me!

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul
Consider it a standing invitation. Our group really does hold their munches at a cool little coffeeshop/alternative bookstore in an old 2 story house where you can wander from room to room checking out cool merchandise, sit in cushy armchairs and read, get coffee, etc. We get to have our own private meeting space on the second floor, and we hold casual, educational discussions and lecture series, rather than just eating and talking. The shop owners bring us our orders upstairs so that we can go right into the meeting without having to wait around if it is crowded. The munch is timed to end at the same time as the shop closes, and everyone heads out to the large covered porch in the front and hangs out and talks for an hour at least. Not unusual for some to go grab a late dinner or drink afterwards. Very social, very inviting.