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ORIGINAL: respectmen
It never ceases to amaze me how no one questions the woman on her worth and what makes her so special when she is rejecting every male on a website. If a male had such a huge sense of entitlement, he would get laughed at.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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So the question is, how is the average woman here just as worthy as the top 1 percent of men?

You are asking the wrong question. What you should be asking is why do other people succeed where you (general you) don't. If other people are getting better results than you, it's prudent to ask what they are doing differently that yields them better results.

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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant

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ORIGINAL: MuscleBoundDom



However, most women meet ZERO men and complain that they can't meet anyone.

So wot you're saying is that over-population isn't really a people problem, it's a test tube problem... a global conspiracy... I suspect that under the factory floor of every candy company is a laboratory where babies are grown, packaged, and deposited in hospitals. I'm confident that random chocolates are laced with some insidious drug that implants a pregnancy memory, doctor visits, blah blah blah, and BLAM!!!! You wake up in the hospital with a new bundle of joy in your arms. I'm sure crumpets could post some data to support it, but, guys, be very careful wot chocolate you eat. If it's "girl specific" you could wake up in the hospital with a sore ass and new bundle of joy in your arms.

Jus sayin

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ORIGINAL: respectmen
So lets place the same standard on women as what is placed on men.

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ORIGINAL: respectmen

What I am doing is pointing the finger at women and placing the same standard on women that society always places on men.

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ORIGINAL: respectmen

It never ceases to amaze me how no one questions the woman on her worth and what makes her so special when she is rejecting every male on a website. If a male had such a huge sense of entitlement, he would get laughed at.

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ORIGINAL: respectmen
A male is always obligated to prove his worth while a woman can sit here and think every male on this website isn't worthy enough for her while never being questioned on how exactly is she entitled to the top 1 percent of males on this site or males who are better than every male on this website.

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ORIGINAL: respectmen

I can easily go 3 minutes away from my house anywhere and find a woman who is just as worthy or better than the narcissistic twits on this site who sit here and think every male on collarspace isn't worthy enough for them.

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ORIGINAL: littleladybug

So, why don't you go do that rather than wasting your time venting here?

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ORIGINAL: respectmen
Ladypact

You totally avoid and run away from my point and ramble on with something else which of course all results to blaming men like nearly everyone else has in this thread.

What I am doing is pointing the finger at women and placing the same standard on women that society always places on men. Which is making women obligated to prove their worth and prove how they are entitled to the men who they are seeking and wont settle for less with.

So instead of pointing the finger at men with blame blame blame while making out women are perfect princesses who are never at fault, which is usually the social opinion in dating aka female privilege, lets see the women in here who reject nearly every man on the site explain how they are so special and worthy and for that they should only have a male in the top 1 percent of the population.

When this question is asked, it's usually avoided, just like what LP is doing, she tries to avoid this, run away from it, and turn the discussion back to blaming men.

So lets place the same standard on women as what is placed on men. If the average guy in here expressed that he only wanted the top 1 percent of women on this site and nothing less, he would most probably get laughed at while being aggressively questioned on what he has to offer and what makes him so special.

Nope. You're trying to turn it into a question that it isn't which is exactly what you do every time you think it's a gender issue. The big gap in that theory is that plenty of men are meeting women from the site. Are you trying to tell me that all of them are the top 1%?

Are you really trying to say that the *only* reason people want to meet me is because I have tits?

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: pleasnpetrichor

Sorry for snipping that. I do like to cut things down to the chase.

In response to both: I think you're right about misandry/gynocentrism. For example, I think there may well have been a very different reaction if the thread had been about men. From memory, that's true. Again from memory, it seems like Hillwilliam once actually demonstrated that forum members respond differently to the idea of a man cheating versus a woman. That reality goes unrecognized all too often, and for that, I'm sorry.

On behalf of my sex (and fat thread drama aside): we are also judged and evaluated, just by different criteria. We could debate all night about who gets the shorter end of that stick.

I promise to reply to this at some point, tomorrow, after I've had a modicum of sleep. You make some points, but I would like to test your memory, a bit further.



Michael

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: respectmen
So lets place the same standard on women as what is placed on men.

No, let's not.

Nick, when are you going to realize the world doesn't work like that???

Let me 'splain it to you in very very VERY simple words....
Unless you are gay, men want pussy to fuck. Simple fact.
Most times they only think with one brain cell and that ain't in their big head.
Men don't have a pussy - women do.
To avoid playing with Madam Palmer and her five daughters, you dance to the tune of the woman.
The end.

Women want the top 1% because it gets them things with little effort.
If you want the pussy, you're either in that 1% or you have to dance better than the next man.
Simple fact.

You can spout all the fuck you like about inequality.
Bottom line is: you want the pussy, you dance the tune. Period.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
So ... here's the thing with the thing:

In the world, but, especially here; If I call you a bitch, would there be a ton of women (and a few hangers-on men) who would ride to the rescue and flambé me? What if you called me a "bastard" or a "son of a bitch" (which is actually a slight to my mother)? I have been called worse names than that by entitled females on this site. So, who would get the worst of it?
True 'dat, and not just for this site or just kink sites. That reminds me of a story, but I suppose I'll save it for later, as I'm not sure it's really on topic for this thread.

What if I didn't have a job/means of support? What about if you didn't?
Can't go against you on that one, either.

Now, you made a point about women being judged differently than men. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you're talking about aesthetics? Do you seriously think women don't judge men that way, also?
No, of course not. I do think it's fair to say women are judged more than men on their appearance. Just as it's fair to say that men are judged more than women on their earning power. Saying so doesn't imply that men aren't judged at all on their looks or that women aren't judged at all on their earning power. Or, borrowing from your example, if I didn't have a job I'm sure I would still be judged for it, although I believe that you would be judged more harshly because of your gender. It's the same with looks.

I know some of my female friends have been talking to me and said: "That guy looks like he hasn't seen a gym in a decade, but that's okay. he's sweet!" It happens all the time (actually, most of my female friends are a little less shallow than most or they wouldn't be my friends). However, just like the other side of the gender aisle, there are certain amounts of trade-offs.
Then I'm not sure we're even in disagreement. A "trade off" was also what I was talking about.

I have never dated an ugly lady (but back in my old band days, there were a few ... err ... guests backstage that were borderline), but I have dated ladies that weren't as aesthetically pleasing as models in the best magazine advertisements. Why? Because models, by-and-large, are self-absorbed airheads with whom I can't be bothered. See? Trade-off.
By the same token, a woman might refuse to date a millionaire she found him arrogant. I never said that because I think appearance is one of the predominate factors women are judged by, or because earning power is one of the predominate factors men are judged by, that they aren't both also judged according to other standards as well. In other words, of course you don't want the beautiful girl who's also a self absorbed airhead.

I can tell you this: in direct dichotomy to my aforementioned lady friends, I've never heard a guy say: "Wow! Look at that ugly gal in purple, at the bar! I'm not leaving until I get her number!" I have, however, seen my friends (male and female) say: "I'm looking for something a bit more solid and a bit less superficial."

Women and men, judged by different criteria? Hardly. men just tend to be a bit more uncouth about how they go about making their decision-making process known.

I guess I disagree. Individuals can be rather more superficial or less, but that doesn't change the fact that men and women are (on average at least) judged differently.


Michael

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl
I once placed an ad looking to meet a Dominant man in the LA area. I very quickly had over 200 responses from guys in the LA area. Out of those 200, there were probably 40 that met my criteria and sounded interesting enough to talk to. Out of those 40, there were 17 that I talked to more than once. There were 12 that I actually met. One that I ended up dating for about year and that I'm still friends with to this day.

I tend to be a very logical, methodical person with a well developed concept of who I am and what I'm looking for, so the method of doing a "burst session" of meeting people worked for me.

I think it's not the meeting 10 people, but whether you're a "serial first dater".

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
You want to meet me? I'll let you know when I'll be in the local kink club, and you're welcome to show up and come talk to me there.
And if you don't show? I'll be busy playing the rest of the night without missing you for a second...

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ORIGINAL: respectmen

It never ceases to amaze me how no one questions the woman on her worth and what makes her so special when she is rejecting every male on a website. If a male had such a huge sense of entitlement, he would get laughed at.

A male is always obligated to prove his worth while a woman can sit here and think every male on this website isn't worthy enough for her while never being questioned on how exactly is she entitled to the top 1 percent of males on this site or males who are better than every male on this website.

I can easily go 3 minutes away from my house anywhere and find a woman who is just as worthy or better than the narcissistic twits on this site who sit here and think every male on collarspace isn't worthy enough for them.

So the question is, how is the average woman here just as worthy as the top 1 percent of men?

The problem here is female sense of entitlement and female chauvinism. Not men apparently being less worthy human beings than women. Too many women these days think their worth as a woman is more than the worth of a man.