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DeviantlyD -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 4:13:23 AM)
Just...wow. For those opposed to allowing transgendered individuals to use the bathroom of the gender they identify with, I question if they truly understand what transgendered people are asking. Chances are some of those who are opposed have already shared a public restroom with a transgendered person and never even knew it. I can understand the concern of those who worry that children may be "exposed", but only from the point of view of protectiveness and not from one of concurrence. As LadyPact mentioned, a transgendered person is more likely to have fear/anxiety than non-trans people in choosing a restroom. Generally speaking, it's been my experience that no one flaunts their naked bits in a women's public restroom, locker room...eor even the women's restroom in a nightclub during gay men's night where some of the guys felt more comfortable using the women's restroom. And I can almost guarantee that a transgendered female is not going to expose themselves in the women's restroom. And it's even less likely that a transgendered man would expose themselves in a men's public restroom. Unfortunately I do believe that the opposition stems from unfounded fears, lack of education and/or lack of acceptance than truly reasonable argument. As a side note, and I apologize in advance for the derail, but DaddySatyr, you directed a personal attack towards LadyPact that in my observation is not true. LadyPact isn't one to lie. Of the posts of hers that I have read, I find her responses to be rather even-handed. I cannot say the same of the posts of yours that I have read, although I admit that, until this thread, I have largely avoided reading your posts over the last several months because I find your overall tone to be distasteful.

DeviantlyD -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 4:21:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Maybe we should just throw it all away and only have unisex and family facilities. There's a thought. :) Regarding your earlier statement, I'm no expert, but aren't criminal perverts/predators loathe to expose their intents in a visible manner? That's what a guy in a dress who is just there to be a pervert/predator would be...visible.

WickedsDesire -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 4:33:31 AM)
I remember me in a dress, was during my experimental phase, all shimmering, I felt so empowered, or was it my lusty loin region was tingling with excitement. Good enough for Nixon good enough for me. Besides in days of olde we wore the skirts and shiny breast plates. We still do in the land north of the wall for special occasions usually. And the sparkly red boots competition, who could forget...ive told that story before What exactly is the anti local law thingy I am confused, and someone loan me a dress.

Lucylastic -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 5:01:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3556556/Shocking-moment-girl-16-jumped-gang-bullies-beaten-death-school-fight-boy.html Is this somehow justification for letting boys into the girls' locker room? This has nothing to do with the transgender bathroom plight. This was just some thug girls killing (intentionally or not, makes no difference) another girl over a boy. Did I claim justification? No, I just so happened to have posted on the first page and then came across the story about the killing of a 16 year old girl in a bathroom. I mentioned in post 20 quote: Women can be as harmful to women(trans or not) and children in washrooms and locker rooms. But all of a sudden, trans people are more dangerous than kiddy fiddlers or abusive people(physical or mental). Also mentioned quote: Going to the bathroom in a public place has never been "safe". Going to a girls school for 7 years taught me that. SO Im sorry, yes it actually DOES have something to do with the topic. As a woman, as a mother, as a human being, and a follower of human nature, that trans people are the last to get worried about in a bathroom. DO you get upset that homosexuals use the stall next to you??? they have been doing it since before anyone could "tell" they were homosexuals You know pedophiles and rapists and other abusers are using the same washrooms as you at the same time??

Lucylastic -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 5:02:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: Maybe we should just throw it all away and only have unisex and family facilities. Makes sense to me. unisex/family loos are infinitely better than bathroom ID

bounty44 -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 5:35:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact By definition, a Christian is a person who believes in Christ and the related teachings... of which the most prominent related to this thread would be matthew 19:4: "'haven't you read' he replied, 'that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female'"... someone will need to make the biblical/Christian argument about women trapped in men's bodies. the little reading ive done on the subject shows yet another dichotomy between conservative and progressive worldviews. for the latter, it seems "anything goes" and if you oppose it, youre a bigot or homophobic or whatever. for the former, its "trying to turn men into women is morally wrong and ultimately harmful to that person." there seems to be more evidence for the latter. (but yeah we're bigots)

mnottertail -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 5:47:20 AM)
Some Pharisees came to Jesus, testing Him and asking, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any reason at all?" 4And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, 5and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH '?… So, the context is considerably different than a sentence fragment. Did every xtian male here leave his home and move to the city where his wife's mother and father resides ? That is the teaching. have the xtian males here ever divorced? Rot in hell you fucking devil worshippers.

angelikaJ -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 6:35:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic LMAO....Unclothed people of the opposite sex??? wow I must someday, get around to charging my father for walking around naked when I was a toddler, I never gave him consent. Women can be as harmful to women(trans or not) and children in washrooms and locker rooms. But allof a sudden, trans people are more dangerous than kiddy fiddlers or abusive people(physical or mental). I dont get nekid when I pee, OR poop. In a mens room, a genuine unisex loo or a locker room. Going to the bathroom in a public place has never been "safe". Going to a girls school for 7 years taught me that. Because you choose not to shower at a gym after working out OR to change out of a wet swim suit, you are okay with doing away with all the exposure laws. Interesting. Ya see, I am not okay with kids being exposed to the opposite genitalia of strangers. I also think consent is important. I thought that consent was a feminist issue, but I can see it is trumped by virtue signaling. So if someone who had a reassignment surgery needs to use the restroom then where should they go?

Aylee -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 7:51:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic LMAO....Unclothed people of the opposite sex??? wow I must someday, get around to charging my father for walking around naked when I was a toddler, I never gave him consent. Women can be as harmful to women(trans or not) and children in washrooms and locker rooms. But allof a sudden, trans people are more dangerous than kiddy fiddlers or abusive people(physical or mental). I dont get nekid when I pee, OR poop. In a mens room, a genuine unisex loo or a locker room. Going to the bathroom in a public place has never been "safe". Going to a girls school for 7 years taught me that. Because you choose not to shower at a gym after working out OR to change out of a wet swim suit, you are okay with doing away with all the exposure laws. Interesting. Ya see, I am not okay with kids being exposed to the opposite genitalia of strangers. I also think consent is important. I thought that consent was a feminist issue, but I can see it is trumped by virtue signaling. So if someone who had a reassignment surgery needs to use the restroom then where should they go? Angelika - I am really indifferent to the whole bathroom part of this. If you read my posts I specifically discuss locker rooms. Changing rooms. (Not the places that you try on clothes.) But the areas in gyms, pools and such where you change and shower. A month ago exposure of opposite genitalia to a child (and adults if you look at flasher and public urination laws) was wrong. Today I am a hater or bigot or whatever for not being okay with it.

LadyPact -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 7:52:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Here is an issue, though. Just like Brent's cockamamie "rationale" in Post #21, how are people to know that a male walking into a female restroom identifies as a woman? If that male was dressed in a dress, that might give a clue, but, as Brent so ineloquently pointed out, that doesn't make him a woman, necessarily. I feel for trans people who don't feel comfortable in their anatomical gender restrooms. But, how are we to know that some guy in a dress isn't just a predator, a perv, or an honest-to-goodness trans? It's not like you get a "rainbow letter" tattooed on your head identifying you as trans. Some voyeur could get his jollies by saying he's trans and spending his time in the women's locker and/or showers, and, apparently, that's okay and not supporting the objectification of women? Maybe we should just throw it all away and only have unisex and family facilities. How do we know anybody's not a predator? I'm not trying to sound flippant. It's just that I can't promise somebody would never try to pull that kind of a stunt. Heck, people who oppose legislation that everybody gets to use the facilities for the gender that they identify could do it for publicity. Sorry to be repeating myself, but that was part of why I had some suspicions about what was really going on in the first link that Aylee posted. The article specifically uses the term "man" over and over again. There's not any mention of the subject of the article presenting or identifying as a woman. Even the part where the subject was saying "I have a right to be here," there wasn't that addition to the statement of "because I'm female". Nothing about what type of attire the person was changing into. Not a word about the one (ok, two) thing(s) that transgendered women tend not to leave the house without and that's the appearance of breasts. All of those things missing from the article, what do you really think? As to Brent's comment, I'm not going to try to make this into a personal attack. Instead, I'll try to turn it into a question. How many transgendered persons do you know that just put on a dress one day and THAT'S the key to identifying as a woman? For most people, it's not some boom all of a sudden thing. I sat here trying to wrack my brain trying to think of even one example of it's a 'yesterday no, today yes, tomorrow no' kind of deal as far as the way a person fees about their identity and I just can't. The whole topic is very disheartening.

nighthawk3569 -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 8:03:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail A small inconvenience for the nutsuckers I know, but where have inter-sexed people been dumping and taking the piss all this time? Where did the nutsuckerism appear from out of our midst? Once again, I'm going to call on you to define this term you're so fond of using...if you even know the meaning, that is. Tell us: what, exactly, is a "nutsucker"...define "nutsuckerism"...to the best of your ability. 'hawk

WickedsDesire -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 8:09:25 AM)
Homophobic is what it is...made me sick truth be told. America is a backwards nation..well some of it, and more than most other nations. By definition, a Christian..they are a collection of many books and 4 gospels. If I remember my fear of the wrath malarkey..or akin to saying good Christian follows the teachings of make believe. Here is how I see it, some Americans, by no means all, have in ingrained into their pea like brains that Christian = Good and everything that is not is less and = evil. If a homosexual, or someone curious, wants to stare at my junk as I hose down the bathroom then I shall take it as a compliment rather than decry foul play and have him crucified. That aside someone already said it, I think, how does one have a separate bathroom for; men/women who are: predators, rapists, cheats, murderers. perverts, panty sniffers (and what one of hasn't I ask thee), wife beaters and so on. I am also led to believe women's cubicles are private affairs, whilst us men are a how high can one piss at the trough - yes we still have those ones here and there, as well as the wee individual ones. Didn't south park do an episode on this it was quite a good episode - so few are.

Awareness -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 8:41:45 AM)
The fact that the left labels everything they do as "progressive" is a mere smokescreen behind which they hide their own bias. The arrogance which sees them label values held dear by conservatives as "oppressive" is just another piece of political legerdemain designed to advance the victim-hood mantra. Fact: Trans people commit suicide at record rates even post surgery. Fact: Aside from those with genuine chromosomal abnormalities, there is no scientific evidence to suggest transgenderism is anything other than a mental illness. Based upon those two facts, it is perfectly permissible to hold the viewpoint that self-mutilation and ingestion of hormones does not swap your gender. From that perspective, the desire to divide bathrooms along biological gender lines is completely rational. The view that this constitutes oppression or persecution is - in addition to being an example of hysteria and hyperbole - basically comparing your opponents to Hitler. At which point Godwin's law pretty much implies you've lost the argument. I realise most of the left is too stupid and enmeshed in the victim-hood mantra to think straight, but this is the essential reality which is present in conservative states. And I support their right to administer these things as they see fit. Transgender folk tend to be special snowflakes who try and insist that society bends around their illness. That ludicrous premise is both unsupported by science and monstrously self-absorbed. Accordingly, I think this madness is going to hit a critical point, beyond which Western society simply will not bend.

Lucylastic -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 9:08:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness The fact that the left labels everything they do as "progressive" is a mere smokescreen behind which they hide their own bias. The arrogance which sees them label values held dear by conservatives as "oppressive" is just another piece of political legerdemain designed to advance the victim-hood mantra. Fact: Trans people commit suicide at record rates even post surgery. Fact: Aside from those with genuine chromosomal abnormalities, there is no scientific evidence to suggest transgenderism is anything other than a mental illness. Based upon those two facts, it is perfectly permissible to hold the viewpoint that self-mutilation and ingestion of hormones does not swap your gender. From that perspective, the desire to divide bathrooms along biological gender lines is completely rational. The view that this constitutes oppression or persecution is - in addition to being an example of hysteria and hyperbole - basically comparing your opponents to Hitler. At which point Godwin's law pretty much implies you've lost the argument. I realise most of the left is too stupid and enmeshed in the victim-hood mantra to think straight, but this is the essential reality which is present in conservative states. And I support their right to administer these things as they see fit. Transgender folk tend to be special snowflakes who try and insist that society bends around their illness. That ludicrous premise is both unsupported by science and monstrously self-absorbed. Accordingly, I think this madness is going to hit a critical point, beyond which Western society simply will not bend. Basically you just shitlered the whole point of having a point of view, LMAO Your diatribe is so ironic What time is your next declaration of truth, so I can be ready for it. Thank you for making my day...

Nnanji -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 9:11:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness The fact that the left labels everything they do as "progressive" is a mere smokescreen behind which they hide their own bias. The arrogance which sees them label values held dear by conservatives as "oppressive" is just another piece of political legerdemain designed to advance the victim-hood mantra. Fact: Trans people commit suicide at record rates even post surgery. Fact: Aside from those with genuine chromosomal abnormalities, there is no scientific evidence to suggest transgenderism is anything other than a mental illness. Based upon those two facts, it is perfectly permissible to hold the viewpoint that self-mutilation and ingestion of hormones does not swap your gender. From that perspective, the desire to divide bathrooms along biological gender lines is completely rational. The view that this constitutes oppression or persecution is - in addition to being an example of hysteria and hyperbole - basically comparing your opponents to Hitler. At which point Godwin's law pretty much implies you've lost the argument. I realise most of the left is too stupid and enmeshed in the victim-hood mantra to think straight, but this is the essential reality which is present in conservative states. And I support their right to administer these things as they see fit. Transgender folk tend to be special snowflakes who try and insist that society bends around their illness. That ludicrous premise is both unsupported by science and monstrously self-absorbed. Accordingly, I think this madness is going to hit a critical point, beyond which Western society simply will not bend. And then there is the science: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/psychiatry-expert-scientifically-there-is-no-such-thing-as-transgender http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/06/15145/

mnottertail -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 9:12:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: nighthawk3569 quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail A small inconvenience for the nutsuckers I know, but where have inter-sexed people been dumping and taking the piss all this time? Where did the nutsuckerism appear from out of our midst? Once again, I'm going to call on you to define this term you're so fond of using...if you even know the meaning, that is. Tell us: what, exactly, is a "nutsucker"...define "nutsuckerism"...to the best of your ability. 'hawk Once again I will post for you, although you havent seen it the many times I have posted it before, I really dont see this worth my time. One who likes to suck the salt off the nut shell before eating the nut is a Nut Sucker. And they are born every minute.

LadyPact -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 10:38:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire I am also led to believe women's cubicles are private affairs, whilst us men are a how high can one piss at the trough - yes we still have those ones here and there, as well as the wee individual ones. I will cop to this one. In general, when it comes to restrooms, gym showers, or similar public facilities, there's almost always more privacy accommodations for women. I don't want to sound disgusting but I don't have any desire to shower with other people during my cycle. quote: Didn't south park do an episode on this it was quite a good episode - so few are. OK, we're going to put this in the 'dumb trivia LP knows about' category. There are certain things that come through in South Park that were very much what attitudes were like living in Colorado during certain periods. Colorado was one of the first states back in the nineties to pass a statewide initiative by general vote that really was an outright discrimination law. That 'state of hate' nickname was rather apt even after it was repealed. The character of the mayor on South Park was actually based (roughly) on Colorado Springs Mayor Mary Lou Makepeace. quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness The fact that the left labels everything they do as "progressive" is a mere smokescreen behind which they hide their own bias. The arrogance which sees them label values held dear by conservatives as "oppressive" is just another piece of political legerdemain designed to advance the victim-hood mantra. Fact: Trans people commit suicide at record rates even post surgery. Fact: Aside from those with genuine chromosomal abnormalities, there is no scientific evidence to suggest transgenderism is anything other than a mental illness. Based upon those two facts, it is perfectly permissible to hold the viewpoint that self-mutilation and ingestion of hormones does not swap your gender. From that perspective, the desire to divide bathrooms along biological gender lines is completely rational. The view that this constitutes oppression or persecution is - in addition to being an example of hysteria and hyperbole - basically comparing your opponents to Hitler. At which point Godwin's law pretty much implies you've lost the argument. I realise most of the left is too stupid and enmeshed in the victim-hood mantra to think straight, but this is the essential reality which is present in conservative states. And I support their right to administer these things as they see fit. Transgender folk tend to be special snowflakes who try and insist that society bends around their illness. That ludicrous premise is both unsupported by science and monstrously self-absorbed. Accordingly, I think this madness is going to hit a critical point, beyond which Western society simply will not bend. The fact that I highlighted, I will not debate. If you look at certain percentages of other areas, such as assault, the rates also tend to increase when compared to those in the het community when looking at ratios. Some of that first fact does come from severe depression, which would be impossible to declare that has nothing to do with the world treating them differently, and not in positive ways. While this really isn't just a bathroom bill, that's at least some of the focus. Charolette, Greensboro, and other cities and counties already had ordinances in place that the gender a person appears/identifies as had the right to use the facility that matched that gender. HB2, nullified what was already working in various places of the state. Pretty slick, too. Bill drafted, special session called, and signed into law before a lot of people realized it was pushed through. The bathroom part aside, the other part of HB2 is it takes away the legal opportunity to seek redress in cases of employment termination due to discrimination. In an employment at will state, it's already hard enough to prove that you were let go for something other than valid reasons. (Used to work HR and I can promise you that most people aren't the perfect little employees that they think they are.) Now, you can't even file against your former employer. A little premature on the Godwin's Law. It's probably got a shot at potential. Wait until NC has to start funneling money into defending the law in court, the "sides" start really running a bunch of commercials, and it gets to another level of heated. Shall we start the pool now on how long that will take?

BamaD -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 12:08:29 PM)
FR Am I the only one that sees the irony in the fact that so many of the people who think that allowing males in female bathrooms, and lockerrooms will also go on auto search and destroy against the alleged "rape culture". The thought of a man exposing himself warrents castration at the very least, unless it is in a restroom or lockerroom and then it is a protected right.

mnottertail -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 12:45:45 PM)
wiggling your dick is not rape. nor is it rape culture. your irony is lost in the tinniness of your failure to understand separate concepts because they all have some shallow resemblance to things to do with with penises and vaginas, as they should, since men and women have them.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 1:29:06 PM)
quote: basically comparing your opponents to Hitler. No, that does not follow. quote: At which point Godwin's law pretty much implies you've lost the argument. It appears you don't actually understand Godwin's law and the reasoning behind it's formulation.

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