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Everyone is equal, but this week transgenders aremore equal than other.

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But this will make it easy for predators to go under the guise of being transgendered.

Just when I think you've reached the apex of your stupidity, you crank out lines like this. Bravo!

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Not even close. The Basic rights of almost all are givens. Mild distaste or disapproval on the totally undocumented possibility of misbehavior never justifies treating anyone as a pariah or subhuman. I'm very sure the feelings, 'morality' and basic religious convictions of segregationists were far more offended by black Americans living in their neighborhoods than any feel about trans people. Guess where all that went? Even the Oreo on the SCOTUS couldn't stomach that.

The obvious answer for all is to free up a lot of commercial and public building square footage for more useful purposes by making only unisex restrooms legal. I'd suggest deadbolt locks in the inside of all stall doors, but the body count of inaccessible people having medical emergencies would have those removed in weeks.

Yes, of course: force business owners, by way of more government regulations, to foot the bill for creating new restrooms! That's sure to not create any resentment whatsoever, and who doesn't love more regulations?

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the totalitarian left?

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Even the Oreo on the SCOTUS couldn't stomach that.

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Do you realize that you are saying that the feelings of one transgender is worth the feelings of 100 women?

No, I'm saying that the feelings of one transgender person could be so severe that they might trump the *slight* feelings of lots of other people.
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So all people are equal but some are "more equal" than others?

EDIT: I guess I took too long to post and Bama already mentioned it.

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Just when you think the intelligence vacuum here has bottomed out . . .

Exactly what has Ever prevented a sociopath from putting on a dress and wig and a little makeup to enter a woman's restroom with zero notice or attention? God knows we're plagued by that everywhere.

I don't suppose it ever occurred to any of the maroon brigade to actually get to Know some trans-gender people? Not exactly the most focused group on urban terrorism. Most I know are poster children for the self-obsessed stressing on their own inner turmoil, about the least predatory folks imaginable. Lost and paranoid in a hateful world they don't fit in, most are seeking some comfort and solace in a role model where they feel at least somewhat at home, not planning rape and depredation.
My take is the hate is the best illustration possible of the old saying that, "Suspicion is but knowledge of oneself."

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Just when you think the intelligence vacuum here has bottomed out . . .

Exactly what has Ever prevented a sociopath from putting on a dress and wig and a little makeup to enter a woman's restroom with zero notice or attention? God knows we're plagued by that everywhere.

I don't suppose it ever occurred to any of the maroon brigade to actually get to Know some trans-gender people? Not exactly the most focused group on urban terrorism. Most I know are poster children for the self-obsessed stressing on their own inner turmoil, about the least predatory folks imaginable. Lost and paranoid in a hateful world they don't fit in, most are seeking some comfort and solace in a role model where they feel at least somewhat at home, not planning rape and depredation.
My take is the hate is the best illustration possible of the old saying that, "Suspicion is but knowledge of oneself."

Speaking of which, have you noticed how the the group of posters on here who always speak out loudly against any proposed legislation to limit gun purchase or ownership because (they claim) any such measure will do nothing to actually keep guns out of the hands of criminals and other ne'er-do-wells, are the same posters who now say that we need these "bathroom laws" in force because the laws will somehow keep perverts out of bathrooms?

Sauce for the goose...

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I am going to say emphatically that I did NOT call anybody a bigot. Do I think *some* people could have a little more compassion on the issue? Sure. This discussion isn't just here and there absolutely are some hate-filled comments about the subject. Do I think that *some* people who are supporting this are not coming from a 'be protective of children stance' rather than the really nasty stuff? Absolutely. I don't have that much faith in humanity that bigotry has been erased from the planet.

I also don't have enough faith in humanity that, out of the goodness of their hearts, that business owners of gyms, etc, are going to put a crowbar in their wallet and build the additional facilities that would eliminate some of the problem. I don't want to see that mandated, though I do think it would be a nice thing to do. Those that have, (Disney, whomever) they probably did the thing to try to do the best for as many people as possible.

Yesterday, I did some research because there was something about the 'gender shown on the birth certificate' thing that was bugging me. HR2 is specific to North Carolina but I knew in at least *some* other states, GRS (gender reassignment surgery) is not necessarily the requirement to have gender changed on a birth certificate and/or driver's license. (I know two people who have done the gender change on documentation without GRS, so I was a bit confused.) In some other states, (not NC) a person can petition the courts to change gender on a birth certificate as long as certain conditions are met. A few of those are long term treatment for gender dysphoria, history of medically prescribed hormones in anticipation of GRS, intention of living full time in the gender identity, and so on. So, at least in some places, there are going to be some people with one gender anatomically and a different one on their documentation.

From what I found, North Carolina allows the change of documentation after GRS. (I only did this on the quick, so there could be exceptions out there that I didn't find.) I don't really see a lot of opposition to this issue in post-op cases, so I was kind of curious of what it takes to get there. (Please note that I am not saying I believe the surgery is for everyone or there's some kind of 'better' about post op than pre op.)

First, a person has to go through initial evaluations and psychological determinations that GID has not been caused by any other condition. I couldn't really pin down the time frame on that, as I'm sure it varies from person to person. They also have to go through all of the preparation stages, depending on what's required. The insurance company that I looked at (Blue Cross/Blue Shield) actually has two different time frames to qualify for coverage. FtM can be as little as twelve months of living in the new gender identity, depending on mitigating factors. MtF is a minimum of twenty-four months when the criteria for coverage has been met. That's only at optimum, meaning the surgery is covered by the policy, the person can afford the deductibles, etc, and somebody has no hesitations in the whole process from start to finish. (By the way, one of the non medical requirements is being able to maintain the job, school, or volunteer positions consistently during that period, so if a person does get fired for discrimination, it can potentially screw up their eligibility for surgery.)

We really are talking about years where a person has to live full time in their new gender, so that means a consideration of everything. In my opinion, that means we do have a gap because someone transitioning from MtF has to be able to function at work, school, etc for a very long time. It seems to me that's a gap that we have to figure out.

Anyway, just posting this in the event some others would be interested in the information.

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NASHVILLE – Gov. Bill Haslam today signed into law a controversial bill that says no licensed counselor or therapist must serve a client whose ‘goals, outcomes or behaviors” conflict with the counselor’s “sincerely held principles” – a measure denounced by the American Counseling Association as a “hate bill” against gay and transgender people.

Senate Bill 1556 also shielded from civil lawsuits, criminal prosecution and sanctions by the state licensing board counselors who refuse to provide services provided they coordinated a referral of the client to another counselor who would serve them.

The bill’s provisions would not have applied in cases where the person seeking or undergoing counseling was “in imminent danger of harming themselves or others.”

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Speaking of which, have you noticed how the the group of posters on here who always speak out loudly against any proposed legislation to limit gun purchase or ownership because (they claim) any such measure will do nothing to actually keep guns out of the hands of criminals and other ne'er-do-wells, are the same posters who now say that we need these "bathroom laws" in force because the laws will somehow keep perverts out of bathrooms?

Sauce for the goose...

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If this is when america was great (as we keep being told).

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Could it be that there is no constitutional right nor should there ever be the right for a man to use the female restrooms.

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Truth for the small minded...

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Could it be that there is no constitutional right nor should there ever be the right for a man to use the female restrooms.


Actually there is no constitutional right for a man to use a male restroom.

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Truth for the small minded...


Oh dear, so much wonderful irony.

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http://www.al.com/news/anniston-gadsden/index.ssf/2016/04/oxford_passes_law_aimed_at_tar.html#incart_river_home_pop

Oxford approves transgender bathroom ordinance with threat of $500 fine, 6 months in jail

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"If somebody sees something that makes them uncomfortable, they would call the police," he said. "If the person is still there when the officer arrives, the officer has to witness the crime. Then we take down the person's information, and the person who reported it has to sign out a warrant."

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Speaking of which, have you noticed how the the group of posters on here who always speak out loudly against any proposed legislation to limit gun purchase or ownership because (they claim) any such measure will do nothing to actually keep guns out of the hands of criminals and other ne'er-do-wells, are the same posters who now say that we need these "bathroom laws" in force because the laws will somehow keep perverts out of bathrooms?

Sauce for the goose...

Could it be that there is no constitutional right nor should there ever be the right for a man to use the female restrooms.

Truth for the small minded...

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What’s the difference between a bully and a victim? It seems like a simple question, but in America’s victim-obsessed culture, the bully is often the supposed victim. As Voltaire said, “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”

Here in America, we have certain groups that have been unofficially designated as victim classes by the Left. They’re not held to the same standards as the rest of us; criticism of them is considered to be out of bounds and they’re supposed to get special treatment...

we’re now told that women who don’t want men who claim to “feel” female in the bathroom with them are obviously terrible people. These awful women are supposedly victimizing all these poor people who just want to use the bathroom they feel like using and worse yet, we’re not supposed to tell transsexuals the truth. Gender is not a social construct; it is biology and a man can no more change into a woman than a woman can change into a fruit bat. So apparently, we’re expected to put half our population in danger at worst and make them extremely uncomfortable at best because what -- .1%, .2% of the population will say they feel victimized if we don’t? I’m sorry these people are mentally ill [this is bound to be real popular here], but their mental illness should be their cross to bear, not everyone else’s.

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there is no constitutional right to female bathrooms