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PeonForHer -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 1:32:50 PM)
quote: And then there is the science: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/psychiatry-expert-scientifically-there-is-no-such-thing-as-transgender http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/06/15145/ You mean 'and then there's one side of the science'. The jury's still out on the question. It'll probably remain so for a long, long time - not least because the key thing involved isn't objective science or, in fact, objective-anything at all - it's the subjective feelings that one has about oneself. Compare with homosexuality, in times gone by: "The objective facts are that you have a penis and testicles, and you produce sperm that are capable of fertilizing eggs. Therefore you're made to be attracted to women and ultimately impregnate one. You are made to be heterosexual." You see where I'm going with this? Talk of 'objective facts' in the context of a person's feelings of being 'in the body of the wrong sex' are on a hiding to nothing.

PeonForHer -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 1:52:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness The fact that the left labels everything they do as "progressive" is a mere smokescreen [etc] quote: Fact: Aside from those with genuine chromosomal abnormalities, there is no scientific evidence to suggest transgenderism is anything other than a mental illness. quote: Based upon those two facts, it is perfectly permissible to hold the viewpoint that self-mutilation and ingestion of hormones does not swap your gender. From that perspective, the desire to divide bathrooms along biological gender lines is completely rational. quote: I realise most of the left is too stupid [etc, etc] I'm of the left and as far as I'm concerned the question of whether or not transgenderism is a mental illness isn't of much relevance to me and how I'd like to see transgendered people treated. To me it's about simple kindness: transgendered people believe what they believe about themselves and that's difficult to change. Their lives are already difficult enough so why add to it unnecessarily when it plainly doesn't hurt others if, for instance, people born male but believe themselves to be female and 'look that way and act that way' use the women's toilets. Greatest comfort for the greatest number, and all that - to paraphrase Bentham (though he's usually seen as liberal rather than left, of course).

BamaD -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 2:11:21 PM)
Greatest comfort for the greatest number, and all that - to paraphrase Bentham (though he's usually seen as liberal rather than left, of course). That would mean not letting people who think they are in the wrong gendered body use the other lockerroom. People on here,(and you didn't say this ) act as if only trasgenders have feelings. Don't you think that for every trans who feels uncomfortable going into the lockeroom that matchs thier body there are a 1000 (manly females) who are made to feel uncomfortable by him being there? You have, maybe unintintionally, just made the overwellming argument against this "open mindedness".

mnottertail -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 2:13:47 PM)
nope, no proof of either claim. 1000s of women have not flipped out about this in the entire US. Its only nutsuckers so far that are trying to keep their own toilet antics from others.

PeonForHer -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 2:30:34 PM)
quote: That would mean not letting people who think they are in the wrong gendered body use the other lockerroom. People on here,(and you didn't say this ) act as if only trasgenders have feelings. Don't you think that for every trans who feels uncomfortable going into the lockeroom that matchs thier body there are a 1000 (manly females) who are made to feel uncomfortable by him being there? You have, maybe unintintionally, just made the overwellming argument against this "open mindedness". For one thing, one person's huge discomfort (looking and acting like a woman, but having to use the gents) is probably worth a hundred people's very slight discomfort ('Oh, that's odd! I'm pretty sure I saw a penis before she closed the cubicle door') For another - well, I'm told that I've probably already shared a toilet with a person born as a female. But I've not even known about it, much less cared. Lastly, I think I haven't noticed partly because transgender people, I'd assume, make every effort to hide any aspects of themselves that 'look wrong'. Public toilets being not just uncomfortable places, but outright dangerous places for them on occasion, I'd have thought.

thishereboi -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 2:40:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact "Employees report that the man made no verbal or physical attempt to identify as a woman, yet he still cited a new rule that allows bathroom choice based on gender identification." So, some dude decided to "prove a point" and that's what we're going with? He didn't identify as female... AT ALL. Here is an issue, though. Just like Brent's cockamamie "rationale" in Post #21, how are people to know that a male walking into a female restroom identifies as a woman? If that male was dressed in a dress, that might give a clue, but, as Brent so ineloquently pointed out, that doesn't make him a woman, necessarily. I feel for trans people who don't feel comfortable in their anatomical gender restrooms. But, how are we to know that some guy in a dress isn't just a predator, a perv, or an honest-to-goodness trans? It's not like you get a "rainbow letter" tattooed on your head identifying you as trans. Some voyeur could get his jollies by saying he's trans and spending his time in the women's locker and/or showers, and, apparently, that's okay and not supporting the objectification of women? Maybe we should just throw it all away and only have unisex and family facilities. I think it is Disney that has male, female and family bathrooms. I don't understand why they can't put that everywhere. There are a lot of women who honestly don't feel safe in public bathrooms and despite the media bullshit, it's not transgendered folk that they are worried about. It's the perverts that might use this to gain easier access to bathrooms. They could use the family bathroom also and take a friend if need be. Transgendered could use them and not have to worry about anyone stopping them for id, which by the way has been going on for 40 years and isn't really new. Fathers could take daughters and moms could take sons. Seems simple to me. It would actually be safer for ftm folk than going into a mens room and risking a group of rednecks finding out you have a vagina under those jeans.

mnottertail -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 2:45:21 PM)
but what about all the different inter-sexed?

thishereboi -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 2:51:59 PM)
I have heard it said that people who practice D/s folk tend to be special snowflakes who try and insist that society bends around their illness. That ludicrous premise is both unsupported by science and monstrously self-absorbed. Accordingly, I think this madness is going to hit a critical point, beyond which Western society simply will not bend.

PeonForHer -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 2:53:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I have heard it said that people who practice D/s folk tend to be special snowflakes who try and insist that society bends around their illness. That ludicrous premise is both unsupported by science and monstrously self-absorbed. Accordingly, I think this madness is going to hit a critical point, beyond which Western society simply will not bend. I saw what you did there. [;)]

BamaD -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 2:58:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: That would mean not letting people who think they are in the wrong gendered body use the other lockerroom. People on here,(and you didn't say this ) act as if only trasgenders have feelings. Don't you think that for every trans who feels uncomfortable going into the lockeroom that matchs thier body there are a 1000 (manly females) who are made to feel uncomfortable by him being there? You have, maybe unintintionally, just made the overwellming argument against this "open mindedness". For one thing, one person's huge discomfort (looking and acting like a woman, but having to use the gents) is probably worth a hundred people's very slight discomfort ('Oh, that's odd! I'm pretty sure I saw a penis before she closed the cubicle door') For another - well, I'm told that I've probably already shared a toilet with a person born as a female. But I've not even known about it, much less cared. Lastly, I think I haven't noticed partly because transgender people, I'd assume, make every effort to hide any aspects of themselves that 'look wrong'. Public toilets being not just uncomfortable places, but outright dangerous places for them on occasion, I'd have thought. Do you realize that you are saying that the feelings of one transgender is worth the feelings of 100 women? When you have a school where the transgender is offered seperate space and refuses it, demanding to use the girls, when the vast majority of the parents and girls objected they were told they were bigots and that he had to be accomodated. In this situation who's rights were violated, I think that all the females in the school were the victims, but apparently this the the cause of the day.

PeonForHer -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 3:10:29 PM)
quote: Do you realize that you are saying that the feelings of one transgender is worth the feelings of 100 women? No, I'm saying that the feelings of one transgender person could be so severe that they might trump the slight feelings of lots of other people. Me, I picture what I think is the more likely scenario of a transgender woman in a bar - full of the worst type of redneck, and drunk with it, say - having to use the men's toilet. That could be downright dangerous - versus the - what, surprise, awkwardness? - of a woman with a pronounced adam's apple walking into a female toilet (and using the cubicle, where nobody could see her wedding tackle anyway).

DaddySatyr -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 6:39:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD As a side note, and I apologize in advance for the derail, but DaddySatyr, you directed a personal attack towards LadyPact that in my observation is not true. LadyPact isn't one to lie. Of the posts of hers that I have read, I find her responses to be rather even-handed. I cannot say the same of the posts of yours that I have read, although I admit that, until this thread, I have largely avoided reading your posts over the last several months because I find your overall tone to be distasteful. Color me shocked. One of Exiled's sycophants doesn't like me. If his opinion (which you're channeling) mattered to me, I'd be hurt. As it is, I'm amused. Y'all amuse me. Michael

seekingOwnertoo -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 7:07:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact The whole rhetoric was disingenuous to begin with. This wasn't a "bathroom bill". They didn't even have ONE case of someone being assaulted by a trans* person in a restroom to fall back on. NOT. ONE. Anybody else hear George Wallace being channeled? I do Loud and Clear .... Too bad we don't have an Attorney General like Robert F Kennedy to threaten Marshal Law and US Army occupation ... Duh ... guess that is why he was assassinated! Have no fear of the link below, its just a You Tube video that sums it all up, very well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBecM3CQVD8 Guess times have not changed at all.

BamaD -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 10:18:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Do you realize that you are saying that the feelings of one transgender is worth the feelings of 100 women? No, I'm saying that the feelings of one transgender person could be so severe that they might trump the slight feelings of lots of other people. Me, I picture what I think is the more likely scenario of a transgender woman in a bar - full of the worst type of redneck, and drunk with it, say - having to use the men's toilet. That could be downright dangerous - versus the - what, surprise, awkwardness? - of a woman with a pronounced adam's apple walking into a female toilet (and using the cubicle, where nobody could see her wedding tackle anyway). Everyone is equal, but this week transgenders aremore equal than other.

BamaD -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 10:22:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact The whole rhetoric was disingenuous to begin with. This wasn't a "bathroom bill". They didn't even have ONE case of someone being assaulted by a trans* person in a restroom to fall back on. NOT. ONE. Anybody else hear George Wallace being channeled? But this will make it easy for predators to go under the guise of being transgendered.

stef -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 10:27:22 PM)
quote: Everyone is equal, but this week transgenders aremore equal than other. quote: But this will make it easy for predators to go under the guise of being transgendered. Just when I think you've reached the apex of your stupidity, you crank out lines like this. Bravo!

epiphiny43 -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 10:40:32 PM)
Just when you think the intelligence vacuum here has bottomed out . . . Exactly what has Ever prevented a sociopath from putting on a dress and wig and a little makeup to enter a woman's restroom with zero notice or attention? God knows we're plagued by that everywhere. I don't suppose it ever occurred to any of the maroon brigade to actually get to Know some trans-gender people? Not exactly the most focused group on urban terrorism. Most I know are poster children for the self-obsessed stressing on their own inner turmoil, about the least predatory folks imaginable. Lost and paranoid in a hateful world they don't fit in, most are seeking some comfort and solace in a role model where they feel at least somewhat at home, not planning rape and depredation. My take is the hate is the best illustration possible of the old saying that, "Suspicion is but knowledge of oneself."

ifmaz -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 10:47:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Do you realize that you are saying that the feelings of one transgender is worth the feelings of 100 women? No, I'm saying that the feelings of one transgender person could be so severe that they might trump the slight feelings of lots of other people. ... So all people are equal but some are "more equal" than others? EDIT: I guess I took too long to post and Bama already mentioned it.

epiphiny43 -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 11:02:54 PM)
Not even close. The Basic rights of almost all are givens. Equal access to public buildings and facilities for a start. Nothing in the Constitution about equal rights for all, except sexual minorities, Muslims, possibly illegal immigrants and the Con's boogie man of the moment. Mild distaste or disapproval on the totally undocumented possibility of misbehavior never justifies treating anyone as a pariah or subhuman. I'm very sure the feelings, 'morality' and basic religious convictions of segregationists were far more offended by black Americans living in their neighborhoods than any feel about trans people. Guess where all that went? Even the Oreo on the SCOTUS couldn't stomach that. The obvious answer for all is to free up a lot of commercial and public building square footage for more useful purposes by making only unisex restrooms legal. I'd suggest deadbolt locks in the inside of all stall doors, but the body count of inaccessible people having medical emergencies would have those removed in weeks.

ifmaz -> RE: Keep Our State Straight. GOP AG. (4/27/2016 11:17:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: epiphiny43 Not even close. The Basic rights of almost all are givens. Mild distaste or disapproval on the totally undocumented possibility of misbehavior never justifies treating anyone as a pariah or subhuman. I'm very sure the feelings, 'morality' and basic religious convictions of segregationists were far more offended by black Americans living in their neighborhoods than any feel about trans people. Guess where all that went? Even the Oreo on the SCOTUS couldn't stomach that. The obvious answer for all is to free up a lot of commercial and public building square footage for more useful purposes by making only unisex restrooms legal. I'd suggest deadbolt locks in the inside of all stall doors, but the body count of inaccessible people having medical emergencies would have those removed in weeks. Yes, of course: force business owners, by way of more government regulations, to foot the bill for creating new restrooms! That's sure to not create any resentment whatsoever, and who doesn't love more regulations?

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