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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 8:07:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr

When sex became an accepted female domination tool, men got the shaft.

When big ego's became an accepted male domination tool, smart women lost respect for them.

~Lashra
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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 8:08:55 PM

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well losttreasure, that is the nice thing about having the kids raised, they no longer enslave us like they do when we were younger. We have more free time for that kinky sex you were talking about. I know when I was younger I was too damn tired to want to get busy all the time... now I have plenty of time to please my Dom that I used to spend running after my kid. This is the best time of our life, I tell ya!

Absolutely!

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 8:09:07 PM

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Fuckin' LOLOLOLOL..........

I am with what CareTaker is sayin' and I don't hardly see how that is venomous, much of the world turns while we are dancing and our beds are burning or; no one would have come up with that song.

I know what I am saying,
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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 8:14:36 PM

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Uh huh.........let's see what happened if men stopped wanting sex for a week. Females would never be the same again.

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 8:18:32 PM

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I applaud you that is one of the best posts I've ever read.

Relationships ARE a two way street and those that aren't rarely last very long. How often do you get something for nothing? It's a well known fact you gotta give to get. Anyone who expects to have it his/her way ALL the time needs to go to Burger King because relationships just do not work that way.

And passion has to come from both people so that they each can feed off of it. If the heat isnt there it means someone has gone cold for some reason and if the partners are close you can feel that or sense it. Then its time to talk and see what is wrong.

Also for all those guys out there complaining how women trade sex for things. Did you ever consider thats how society and religion has conditioned alot of us? Not all of us are like that, I myself am a nympho and I expect sex nearly everyday, of course I'm a Dominant female so when I tell mine give it to me NOW, he gives it up and just the way I like it.

Food for thought,

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 8:19:55 PM

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Fuckin' LOLOLOLOL..........

I am with what CareTaker is sayin' and I don't hardly see how that is venomous, much of the world turns while we are dancing and our beds are burning or; no one would have come up with that song.

I know what I am saying,
Ron

I believe that I understand his underlying point, as well. Any submissive who believes that sexual service is the be all, end all of an M/s relationship, is missing the point. What I objected to was the bitter harping on women in general. There are far too many men who call themselves dominants simply because they were dissatisfied with the sexual aspect of their vanilla relationships and somehow think owning a slave will solve all their problems.

I wouldn't know whether Caretakr falls into this category, but the sentiments he was presenting were all too reminiscent of that attitude.

Edited for clarity.

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 8:22:59 PM

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Uh huh.........let's see what happened if men stopped wanting sex for a week. Females would never be the same again.

As long as they make batteries and/or strap on's we won't have to worry.

~Lashra

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 8:34:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Fuckin' LOLOLOLOL..........

I am with what CareTaker is sayin' and I don't hardly see how that is venomous, much of the world turns while we are dancing and our beds are burning or; no one would have come up with that song.

I know what I am saying,
Ron

I believe that I understand his underlying point, as well. Any submissive who believes that sexual service is the be all, end all of an M/s relationship, is missing the point. What I objected to was the bitter harping on women in general. There are far too many men who call themselves dominants simply because they were dissatisfied with their vanilla relationships and somehow think owning a slave will solve all their problems.

I wouldn't know whether Caretakr falls into this category, but the sentiments he was presenting were all too reminiscent of that attitude.

No, that's not my reason for desiring a slave. It's more about stability and peace. I'm an older man, and the hormones have backed off enough to let me think with the big head now.

But the points I made about the "my pussy is a gold mine" attitude a lot of vanilla women have is valid-it's ingrained in the culture.

I like peace and stability SO much, and order-that I simply cannot see sharing a life with a twit who has to prove needless points with me on a day to day basis.

There is a charming grace in defference, that is given out of devotion to a shared vision. How much a cunt is worth, and what has to be paid for it, should not be a part of that equation.

Such a base way to look at a thing, so cheaply capitalist......why would anyone sane want to do such a thing?

Make a joy into a "commodity?"

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 8:35:59 PM

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LOLOL, the quakers tried that but women need jizz. So, it is gonna turn out that we are in this together, I do not hate women, men, rodents or monkeys.........but they are all hard to have personal, intimate relationships with............stick in the phylum of your choice.........

But, by god, we must try... there is no alternative worth pursuing.

Ron

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 9:14:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
He takes what I have gleefully given, and yet he knows the value because he has had other experiences with other women that didn't make themselves sexually available in the middle of the night, or wouldn't awaken him with a blow job, or wouldn't wash his body after making a drink. It is far different to have a woman that will change her schedule to fit yours rather than shrug off the time she lost with you because she would rather watch Letterman. To me giving at this level is the essense of who I am. Does this make me a sex slave? I suppose on some level, because there is something about the idea that I would never deny him access to my body, because to do so would hurt that essense. I do not know if that makes sense, but there it is.

It makes total sense, and how wonderful it must be. I don't think the labels matter, it's all about having the freedom to be who you are, completely, without reservation.

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 9:33:50 PM

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I'm not really sure how to elaborate on it other than its about creating (as odd as it sounds) a space where the dominant feels absolutely free doing precisely what they want, getting precisely what they want, and getting it well (quite frankly sexual skills is a learned skill, not an innate one that all people have).

Exactly, and that is what I was trying to get at in this thread. Sexual service is about more than just the slave getting or not getting orgasms.

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 9:35:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lashra
As far as flipping his switch, how about surprise him by cleaning the house, putting on a vinyl nurses outfit, greeting him at the door and them tying him to the diningroom table for a medical exam? Sounds like fun to me...

Lashra, I fail to make the connection between your post and the topic of female sexual service. Please elaborate.

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 9:39:08 PM

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LOLOL, the quakers tried that but women need jizz. So, it is gonna turn out that we are in this together, I do not hate women, men, rodents or monkeys.........but they are all hard to have personal, intimate relationships with............stick in the phylum of your choice.........

But, by god, we must try... there is no alternative worth pursuing.

Ron

True, as ever, Ron. No point making a war between the sexes when we need each other. LOL

I'd love to hear your comments on female slavery, I just know you have an opinion!

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 9:57:18 PM

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Greetings all. First time post to this site, hopefully I'm awake enough to be coherent:

"Barbie" and "Ken" are wonderful analogies. An ideal shell wrapped around... absolutely nothing.

(see http://www.trygve.com/visible_barbie.html for a chuckle)

Unfortunately both women and men go for these shells and it's not all that unusual. It is after all the first thing that we make our judgements on and, in an age of convienence and efficiency, the easiest. Unfortunately unless you have a bandsaw handy finding out what's inside the shell takes time and effort. I'll admit to having the fantasy of the "instant relationship", meeting some beautiful woman by chance in the morning, spending the afternoon at a coffe-shop talkng and laughing, then the evening... well I'll leave that to the imagination. However these fantasies never go beyond the first night. It's sad but true that many people, vanilla and "lifestyle"alike make real-life choices based on these ephemeral phantoms.

It's not a man/woman thing, it's a people thing.
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As far as the nature of a Master/Dominant and their slave/submissive 's slavery/service/sex.. each individual couple needs to decide that for themselves, where they are comfortable and perhaps, challenge eachother's limits.

I'm not big on "Global Absolutes".

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losttreasure has a wonderful point, but I think it gets lost somewhere in the thread. Every relationship, "vanilla" or "lifestyle" is a two-way street. Both dominants and submissives need to listen to eachother, respect eachother's needs and know where eachother's limits are. A submissive may be testing her/his dominants limits if she/he isn't paying attention.

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As far as the "Why can't I find a Real Man/Woman" thing...

<*insert insane foming-rabid incoherent babbling here*>

...Ahem... There's so many ways to approach this one and it's one of my pet peeves...

Political Corectness: I don't want to sound mysogynist, but this one does seem to me to be a one-way street. Guys are walking on eggshells around women, and each case of "Sexual harassment" just adds to the problem. One misstep and we can be sending half our paychecks to the judicial system fo the rest of our lives, not to mention having criminal charges stuck on our records. Now I'm not condoning real harassment, but real gender harassment -is- a two way street. I've had the personal displeasure of encountering a woman who treated me like crap simply because I'm a guy. One of my friends is being denied a promotion because his new supervisor would be a woman who wants nothing but women on her shift. Sure men do it more often, it's still ebbing in the tide of history, but it's not men alone who treat the other gender poorly. Unfortunately men bear the brunt of the legal and cultural scorn for that behavior, even when the individual isn't guilty of that behavior.

- I can rant on that point alone that for days, but my central points are all there...
while (horse == dead) beat();

Mind you, that's just the recent icing on the cake of the cultural "capitalism of sex"... no business like the oldest business I suppose. It's still infuriating, for me at any rate, something that should be a matter of trust between all involved, after all you're no more vulnerable than you are when intimate, is used as a weapon of coercion. I don't know that I could really completely trust any woman unless I knew, through action - not words, that our relationship was beyond a simple exchange of services and gifts.

I'd love to have a woman who was an openly sexual creature, it's just hard to tell the real ones from the time-bombs.

... Anyway... I think I'm done ranting for now... I've got more ideas running around in my head but I lack the coherency at the moment to spit them out.

As always this is just my own $0.02.

Dauric.

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 9:58:05 PM

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Simple for me Cin, but I am a dumbass...........I think there is a difference (not so fundamental that there has to be studies and thesisis written on it) difference between men and women.....and it boils down to we want the same things in life, but travel to those points by different means............

I wanna hose you, you wanna be hosed.........

Know what I mean vern?.....none of us is looking to die a horrible death.......

Happy happy, love you love you,..............so on............

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 10:06:25 PM

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Greetings all. First time post to this site, hopefully I'm awake enough to be coherent:

Welcome to the forums. You were certianly coherent.

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 10:11:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
I wanna hose you, you wanna be hosed.........

Know what I mean vern?

I know what you mean, Vern. LOL

So, no opinion on using women as sexual slaves? I find that hard to believe!

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 10:26:13 PM

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So, no opinion on using women as sexual slaves? I find that hard to believe!

Oh, yeah, the original point of the thread.. go figure...

Personally I agree that slavery should be the broad spectrum of services, as in my previous post, it's whatever the people in the relationship agree to formally or informally. Some dominant-submissive relationships may indeed be a sex-only thing, and if that's their thing: more power to-em.

I want more than that, but that's what -I- want. Knowing that, it is my responsibility to look for another who wants to offer more than just sex as part of their service. It's also my responsibility to make sure I communicate what I desire to whoever is in a position to consider a relationship with me.

Double edged sword, it cuts both ways. I expect a submissive to comuincate clearly what it is that they are looking for, what services they feel are part of their submission.

...and all this needs to happen -before- things get serious.

Just my $0.02

Dauric

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 10:28:22 PM

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losttreasure: Wow, I am so with you re: How you described your marriage (except for the kids part, and the who makes the money part) - but really how submissives are people, too, losttreasure. I can so identify with what you are saying that I just can't tell you (and it's not whining, it's admitting we're human).

I love men, and am into service without sex (I have plenty of practice at it, too, and enjoy that part) - and I respect a potential (or actual) partner's and desire to want (and get) what they want when they want it. But I just loved that post, losttreasure. I need the bdsm and the sex. I really do. But more even than that - I gotta know someone really cares; someone I can respect and admire (and gosh I am not that hard to please, I can see the good in many people - although when it comes to integrity and ability to demonstrate affection, I can be pretty hard-nosed, I guess; when that time comes).  I just so loved your post, I felt a need to comment.

I know If I don't feel loved, (or at least deeply cared about) nothing is worth anything to me, in a relationship. I know it doesn't have to be a constant reassuring demonstration of that caring, as I am a trusting person - I can function for weeks on a few hugs or kisses, etc. I know that for a fact. But - I really, really have to know it's there. Or all of my motivation just disappears. It vanishes like smoke. A hug, a sweet glance, a reassuring hand on a shoulder. These little things can make so much difference and it feels like a really hard, unloving slap to me, or a gut-wrenching punch in the stomach, when they are just not there.

Re: the part about needing someone to really look up to. I respected my husband's knowledge in his occupational field (he was a regional expert in his field), and he was a smart man, and at first, a halfway decent communicator. But I found out he was a very cold man, and we'd never even discussed Sadism, LOL!
That uncaring attitude slowly but surely extinguished the love I felt that had previously been buring almost white hot. It was still there, but buried so deep it had little chance of escaping. Anyway, many have already heard that long, boring story - but - yes, it would have made a world of difference to hear "thank you" and "I love you" and have wonderful sex, (or even mediocre sex) even if just a wee bit more. It matters. It does. It does!

And (to whomever it bugs: Yes, I will stop mentioning my dead husband. I know he's dead. It is amazing to realize for me, though, how much his spirit seems to live on, in both bad (and yes, some very good) ways. He did a lot of things right. They were just mostly related to how he handled money and maintained the house, instead of with me (I am slowly finding out, even more, as time goes on).

- Susan

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 10:37:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: Dauric
Personally I agree that slavery should be the broad spectrum of services, as in my previous post, it's whatever the people in the relationship agree to formally or informally. Some dominant-submissive relationships may indeed be a sex-only thing, and if that's their thing: more power to-em.

We're in agreement on that. As I said in my OP, I see it as only part of the whole dynamic of D/s. What I'm really curious about - and yes it got lost in the other conversation, my bad - is the many forms it can take.

Seems to me, many people seem stuck in the orgasms-on-demand, or orgasm-denial stuff, but I think it goes beyond that. I really hope this thread can get back on track.

(It was my fault the waters got muddy, I went off on a rare rant...LOL)

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