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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 10:37:55 PM   
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No, that's not my reason for desiring a slave. It's more about stability and peace. I'm an older man, and the hormones have backed off enough to let me think with the big head now.

But the points I made about the "my pussy is a gold mine" attitude a lot of vanilla women have is valid-it's ingrained in the culture.

I like peace and stability SO much, and order-that I simply cannot see sharing a life with a twit who has to prove needless points with me on a day to day basis.

There is a charming grace in defference, that is given out of devotion to a shared vision. How much a cunt is worth, and what has to be paid for it, should not be a part of that equation.

Such a base way to look at a thing, so cheaply capitalist......why would anyone sane want to do such a thing?

Make a joy into a "commodity?"


Cin... forgive the hijack, please.

Caretakr, Cin created a thread to discuss those things that we do or enjoy that enhance sexual service beyond the mere sex-on-demand.  In addition to expressing what your own desires would be, your comments appeared to present the idea that women expecting something in return at all was unforgivable. 

While I agree that there are some women who use sex to try to get what they want, they are only successful if the man they are trying to manipulate, can't control himself.

My point has been that despite any proclamations to the contrary, we ALL want something from our relationships.  Doms don't dom for the hell of it and subs don't sub for the hell of it.  If all a Master wanted was his lawn mowed, his house cleaned, and his dinner fixed, he could just hire a maid.  If all a slave wanted was to feel the satisfaction of mowing a lawn, cleaning a house or cooking a meal, she could simply go to work as a maid.

What catapults those mundane things outside of the vanilla realm and into the world of D/s or M/s, is the RELATIONSHIP. 

I sincerely agree with you that there is a beauty in deference given out of devotion to a shared vision, and I do understand the desire to live in peaceful coexistence within a relationship.  But like it or not, relationships ARE give and take... even if it's "you wash my back and I'll whip yours".  It's an exchange.  One "commodity" in exchange for another... "I'll give you me, and you give me you"... "I'll fulfill your needs, and you fulfill mine".  No extortion is necessary when everyone's needs are met.

The peace comes by finding someone who has what you want, and wants what you have. 

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 10:51:08 PM   
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Cin... forgive the hijack, please.

Caretakr, Cin created a thread to discuss those things that we do or enjoy that enhance sexual service beyond the mere sex-on-demand.  In addition to expressing what your own desires would be, your comments appeared to present the idea that women expecting something in return at all was unforgivable. 



No problem, Losttreasure, I think what happened was I went on a rant, and Caretakr was responding to my comments that it seems hard to find men who trust that a submissive woman is really asking for what she is asking for.

He is right in saying that women who use sex as a weapon have caused men to be distrustful. Of course, we all know that women learned to use that power because in the past they were powerless to use any other weapon.

At any rate, I really hope we can get this post back on track. I'd truly love to explore how much more intricate sexual service can be than just orgasms or the lack thereof.

I apologize again for going off on that silly rant...and the walk helped a bit. LOL

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 10:52:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lost Treasure, of course a woman needs sex too!
As a Dominant that's part of my duties as well.And not just the "sex on demand" kind either.
And of course I would like it if my sub or hopefully slave would "ask" me for it.
We could make a begging game out of it!
I like a lot of communication in a relationship.

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 10:53:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		What I find to be so inherently unattractive about most vanilla relationships, is thier confusion and dishonesty. Power struggles, manipulations, a commerce of tit for tat.

I feel this to be a very unhealthy way to live.

I have stated previously, that there are transactions in any sort of relationship. Alas, some are simply out of balance. How I desire to relate, is this...........

With you,I will have no fear..For what I offer you, I show unmasked. In the acceptance we find in each other, we will grow stronger...for our vision together, has vastly more power than either of us apart. And in days both good and bad, it will sustain us, as we sustain it.

And what is service? It is care. And care is the cement from which we build our foundations.
It says "I find you worthy,walk with me."

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 11:02:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		You have a good point, I think, Caretakr, about the unmasked needs aspect of D/s and bdsm. I really was thinking about this today, too. My sister is a divorce attorney (as is her husband). I could never tell her this (she is ultra-conservative)  - but I think,that if some people on the verge of a divorce just maybe got their respective needs out on the table before the relationship deteriorated to the point-of-no-return, then maybe they could save themselves a lot of heartache.I think D/s can do that for many. Of course sometimes their partner just won't cooperate, and they get divorced.
I am not blaming divorced people, at all.

But -I find it amazing sometimes when I read posts, just how wonderful it is (to me it is downright amazing) that there exist many men and women/girls, whose biggest desire seems to be to take responsibility for their part in a relatuionship and make that almost the most upgront part of being together. I think it is so impressive. Some bdsm could almost be like rudimentary relationship counseling, if looked at in that light (and of course people would need an interest on some level, in D/s, if not M/s, too).

*Not meaning to hi-jack -really. Back to your regular stations.

I think non-sexual service is important, but that bdsm and sex are a part of service (and responsibility for a Dom or Master or submissive). But that is what I'd want (some people can or will, for whatever reason, only focus on non-sexual service).

-Susan

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 11:19:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		The most impressive of submissives I have seen, had one common quality.

They were versatile in very malleable ways with thier Dominants. They could be astoundingly elegant and gracious hostesses when entertaining. One could enjoy stimulating intellectual discourses with them..........absolutely wanton in the bedroom, and where desired........

And still share a deeply spiritual connection with one, in all of these things.........

And they managed it all, just by being themselves..........

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 11:30:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Caretakr

The most impressive of submissives I have seen, had one common quality.

They were versatile in very malleable ways with thier Dominants. They could be astoundingly elegant and gracious hostesses when entertaining. One could enjoy stimulating intellectual discourses with them..........absolutely wanton in the bedroom, and where desired........

And still share a deeply spiritual connection with one, in all of these things.........

And they managed it all, just by being themselves..........


And that's what I mean when I state in my profile that A submissive should be able to move in quiet harmony with their dominant, like a well-trained servant, filling a need with grace, and very little fuss.
 
 

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 11:33:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good thread to start, Cinful!

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 11:34:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I realized the possibility of gestalts in this, long ago.

And even after years of drama and dissapointments, it is the one thing that keeps my hopes alive-and myself in places like this.

And sex has vanishly little to do with that-it's the intimacy.

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 11:40:01 PM   
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Good thread to start, Cinful!

- Susan


Thanks, I just wish I hadn't gone off on a ridiculous rant and thrown my own thread off course, dangit!!

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/20/2006 11:53:21 PM   
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I realized the possibility of gestalts in this, long ago.

And even after years of drama and dissapointments, it is the one thing that keeps my hopes alive-and myself in places like this.

And sex has vanishly little to do with that-it's the intimacy.


Yes, it's amazing how easy it is to see the trees of BDSM, and have no sense of the forest. I think we all suffer from it at the beginning. Maybe we get carried away by checklists and wish-lists, and fail to see how it all comes together.

Of course, for some people, all they want is some of the bits and pieces, and that's their right. I just know that I'm holding out for the whole dynamic.

So, for me, it would be impossible to take sexual slavery out of the equation. If there is a dominant out there willing to own me, then his desire will have to be to own all of me, and that includes my sexuality.

I still hope to have further discussion on what that can entail, but this thread may be hopelessly de-railed. LOL

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/21/2006 12:03:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yet, to be of service in sex also means not being a greedy little bitch-who is all about her own pleasure. You have no idea of how difficult it can be to train a woman to do something as simple as learn to use her asshole like a fist. If you can't even focus on your owner's pleasure for long enough to exhibit some simple rythmic contractions- it bodes very poorly for becoming competent in even more refined techniques.

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/21/2006 12:15:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I had a literature teacher in highschool (taught a class in Sci-Fi lit.) that ran his classes very informally. He, or a student, would bring in a short-story (if it was a student's he'd photocopy it) everyone would read it that night, and the next day we'd all discuss the short story. Rarely did these disscussions ever stay on any paticular topic, and frequently they'd delve in to all manner of topics completely unrelated to the story. His philosophy was, as long as it got people talking and discussing things, it was all good.

Your thread got people talking. It's all good.

$0.02

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edited because I can't spell.

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/21/2006 7:09:47 AM   
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Owned, no, that was directed at "Missturbation."


Special kind of punishment?
Pray tell lol

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/21/2006 10:22:10 AM   
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You have no idea of how difficult it can be to train a woman to do something as simple as learn to use her asshole like a fist.


Well, you're right about that. I have absolutely no idea. LOL

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If you can't even focus on your owner's pleasure for long enough to exhibit some simple rythmic contractions- it bodes very poorly for becoming competent in even more refined techniques.


I think most people can focus on their partner's pleasure. Whether they can do so while receiving pleasure or pain sensations themselves is another issue.

I know, for myself, I really struggle with accepting sensations while trying to give my partner pleasure. I hate the distraction, and would rather they leave me alone to fully concentrate on them. Of course, this can be fun as a game, and I know many of my partners have been amused by how I react, squirming away from something I am usually squirming toward. LOL

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/21/2006 11:13:38 AM   
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I know, for myself, I really struggle with accepting sensations while trying to give my partner pleasure. I hate the distraction, and would rather they leave me alone to fully concentrate on them. Of course, this can be fun as a game, and I know many of my partners have been amused by how I react, squirming away from something I am usually squirming toward. LOL


I absolutely agree, and it is one reason that 69 is not my favorite position, do I concentrate on him? Do I concentrate on me? I never know which he would prefer me to do. Our brains are not adept at thinking about two things at once. In fact anyone that thinks that their sub can orgasm and think about using their body in another way at the same time should attempt this while they are orgasming...smiles.. it is impossible to do because of the nature of how the human mind works and not a shortcoming.  That is why when you have a mutual O it is an intense experience, because it really isn't that common. I am sure many do orgasm simultaneously, but I do not think this is a rule of thumb for most people, even if it is an awe inspiring thing I am not sure it should even be the goal.

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/21/2006 6:23:58 PM   
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I know, for myself, I really struggle with accepting sensations while trying to give my partner pleasure. I hate the distraction, and would rather they leave me alone to fully concentrate on them. Of course, this can be fun as a game, and I know many of my partners have been amused by how I react, squirming away from something I am usually squirming toward. LOL


I absolutely agree, and it is one reason that 69 is not my favorite position, do I concentrate on him? Do I concentrate on me? I never know which he would prefer me to do.


This is a classic sub dilemna, and my suspicion is the good doms don't create this by accident. I have to say though, I always wonder if they are meaning to, and I struggle with whether to endure it, to try communicating and thus "solve" the puzzle, or just to screram in frustration.

I think all of those responses have happened more than once, and I've yet to meet a dom who didn't find it terribly amusing.

You know, I think I finally understand it better now, but I can't say it will help. Doms, such sick bastids!!

(Thank goodness!!! )

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/21/2006 10:11:48 PM   
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And even after years of drama and dissapointments, it is the one thing that keeps my hopes alive-and myself in places like this.

And sex has vanishly little to do with that-it's the intimacy.


Despite your cynacism, you really are quite the romantic.  His Highness and I were talking how important intimacy is... and I'm not referring to sex here.  He is a few years older than I and even though we both have very high libidos, our bodies are already telling us how far they will go, what positions we can hold, etc.

Even with all the Viagra in the world, and the A.A.R.P. booklet on suggested sexual positions for aging bodies, there may come a time when sex will become less of a need (from the current daily or more, I guess we can still be a while off) and more of a project.  Hard, pounding kinky sex might even break a hip....lol.

Throughout it all, the intimacy will last.  I will still run him his shower every morning, help him towel off and put his socks on his feet...even if I have to sit on a stool instead of kneel.  It might be that it will no longer be an option though.  He may actually need the help at some time.  Will that make him less of my Dominant?  No.

I will serve him his coffee and sensually stir in the cream until my hands are too old to do it anymore.  And still I'll try.  While we are both fit and healthy enough to do everything, we do both recognize we are slowing down and arthritis and other problems are creeping in.

But it won't change the nature of the relationship at all.  The power will always be his....and so will I.  It really is all about intimacy.


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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/21/2006 10:14:57 PM   
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And even after years of drama and dissapointments, it is the one thing that keeps my hopes alive-and myself in places like this.

And sex has vanishly little to do with that-it's the intimacy.


Despite your cynacism, you really are quite the romantic.  His Highness and I were talking how important intimacy is... and I'm not referring to sex here.  He is a few years older than I and even though we both have very high libidos, our bodies are already telling us how far they will go, what positions we can hold, etc.

Even with all the Viagra in the world, and the A.A.R.P. booklet on suggested sexual positions for aging bodies, there may come a time when sex will become less of a need (from the current daily or more, I guess we can still be a while off) and more of a project.  Hard, pounding kinky sex might even break a hip....lol.

Throughout it all, the intimacy will last.  I will still run him his shower every morning, help him towel off and put his socks on his feet...even if I have to sit on a stool instead of kneel.  It might be that it will no longer be an option though.  He may actually need the help at some time.  Will that make him less of my Dominant?  No.

I will serve him his coffee and sensually stir in the cream until my hands are too old to do it anymore.  And still I'll try.  While we are both fit and healthy enough to do everything, we do both recognize we are slowing down and arthritis and other problems are creeping in.

But it won't change the nature of the relationship at all.  The power will always be his....and so will I.  It really is all about intimacy.



what a lovely and honest post...and one that speaks to the reality of life instead of the fantasy.

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RE: Female Sex Slavery - 7/21/2006 10:15:04 PM   
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And I know what they are,when I see them.

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