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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/6/2016 5:27:31 PM   
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I blame you.


And here I thought you weren't like everyone else.



I'm a sycophant....I admit it freely.

(I'm going to go flog myself now).

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/6/2016 5:29:40 PM   
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Nevertheless....if you think Hillary is the best choice....you should vote for her. If you think Trump is the best choice....you should vote for him. If you think Johnson (I hope I got that right) is the right choice....you should vote for him.

Voting for the lesser of....is the biggest waste of the BIGGEST responsibility......you were graced with at birth.....by virtue of your birth.

Desi is voting for the right person....because he's voting for the person he thinks can solve the problems we share....collectively.

THAT's a responsible vote.


In a political system where you have two major parties, voting for the person you think is best (ie. a third party candidate) will basically give a vote to the person you disagree with the most.

As I pointed out to Desi earlier, there's a Youtube series by a guy named CGP Grey who makes videos based on voting and politics. This video explains why voting for a third party isn't effective : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo


There's no such thing as voting "for a third party".

There is only...."voting".

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/6/2016 5:35:44 PM   
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If voting for a 3rd party is such a dumb thing, how is it a President was elected in 1860 from a party that was a new 3rd party 4 years prior?


We don't have enough voters to make voting for a third party viable. The majority of people who vote go democrat or republican.

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/6/2016 6:05:00 PM   
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We don't have enough voters to make voting for a third party viable.

I guess you just have to come up with a 3rd party that appeals to enough people then, eh?

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/6/2016 6:20:02 PM   
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You're arguing about voting for evil.

It's makes sense if you only have two choices and one of those choices is less evil than the other then it's a no brainier.

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If voting for a 3rd party is such a dumb thing, how is it a President was elected in 1860 from a party that was a new 3rd party 4 years prior?


I never said voting for a 3rd party was dumb. If there was a 3rd party candidate that had a chance of becoming president and I liked him/her well enough or was the lesser of three evils then I would cast my vote for that person but since there is virtually no chance a 3rd party candidate will get elected now or anytime in the near future it's really a moot point.

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/6/2016 6:32:13 PM   
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You're arguing about voting for evil.

It's makes sense if you only have two choices and one of those choices is less evil than the other then it's a no brainier.

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If voting for a 3rd party is such a dumb thing, how is it a President was elected in 1860 from a party that was a new 3rd party 4 years prior?


I never said voting for a 3rd party was dumb. If there was a 3rd party candidate that had a chance of becoming president and I liked him/her well enough or was the lesser of three evils then I would cast my vote for that person but since there is virtually no chance a 3rd party candidate will get elected now or anytime in the near future it's really a moot point.


I have a dumb question?

Why would you ever vote for someone....hire someone....anyone....who wasn't the best choice for the job?

If you had two pieces of shit walk in and only two, for a job that was absolutely vital to your firm....and you were certain both were inept....why would you hire the least inept?

(I just don't get that whole thing).

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/6/2016 6:35:33 PM   
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We don't have enough voters to make voting for a third party viable.

I guess you just have to come up with a 3rd party that appeals to enough people then, eh?


Well, I mean, you could run. You're pretty likeable. ;-)

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/6/2016 6:37:03 PM   
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If voting for a 3rd party is such a dumb thing, how is it a President was elected in 1860 from a party that was a new 3rd party 4 years prior?


We don't have enough voters to make voting for a third party viable. The majority of people who vote go democrat or republican.


Well, I would submit a slightly different take on that.....

We have 330 million folks here in the U.S., certainly half or near are eligible to vote.

If we had 10 (as in....1 less than 11) eligible voters....I would imagine that would be certainly enough to make voting for a 3rd party....valid....but we don't.....we have 15+ million times that.

How is it that you deduce that 15+ million times 10 is not enough for a valid 3rd party candidate?

(Am I missing sumpin here?)


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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/6/2016 7:09:07 PM   
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I wasn't serious, it would be stupid to build a wall along the Canada-US border & just as stupid to build a wall along the Mexico-US border.. y'all have tried that before anyway, there are sections along that border where there is a pointless expensive wall.. all someone has to do is enter the US easily & legally on a visitor visa and over stay.. easy peasy..



You might want to check on what it takes for a mexican citizen to get a visitor visa for amerika...not quite "easy peasy"



its a hellava lot easier than dragging yer dehydrated ass across deserts, rivers, paying a coyote and risking your life (for those that can get a visitor visa).. of course not everyone is given a visitor visa but not everyone from any country is guaranteed entry to the US..


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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/6/2016 7:29:17 PM   
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We don't have enough voters to make voting for a third party viable.

I guess you just have to come up with a 3rd party that appeals to enough people then, eh?


Well, I mean, you could run. You're pretty likeable. ;-)

she is Canadian, so I am afraid she couldnt run (even if she has dual citizenship she would be in the same spot Cruz was in).. nope, this battle is between y'all Americans..

eta- the "eh" should have given her away on that..

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/6/2016 8:04:44 PM   
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I have a dumb question?

Why would you ever vote for someone....hire someone....anyone....who wasn't the best choice for the job?

If you had two pieces of shit walk in and only two, for a job that was absolutely vital to your firm....and you were certain both were inept....why would you hire the least inept?

(I just don't get that whole thing).


It's obvious your not one of the brightest bulbs on collarchat but even you're not that dumb so I'm not falling for your bullshit.

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/6/2016 8:12:16 PM   
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If voting for a 3rd party is such a dumb thing, how is it a President was elected in 1860 from a party that was a new 3rd party 4 years prior?


We don't have enough voters to make voting for a third party viable. The majority of people who vote go democrat or republican.


Well, I would submit a slightly different take on that.....

We have 330 million folks here in the U.S., certainly half or near are eligible to vote.

If we had 10 (as in....1 less than 11) eligible voters....I would imagine that would be certainly enough to make voting for a 3rd party....valid....but we don't.....we have 15+ million times that.

How is it that you deduce that 15+ million times 10 is not enough for a valid 3rd party candidate?

(Am I missing sumpin here?)


Of our 330 million citizens, only 50 to 60 percent of eligible voters have cast a vote in election years since the 30's. Add to that the fact that popular vote doesn't matter. A third party has no chance of winning enough of the electoral votes/states. Unless we get the other 40% to vote, third parties have NO chance.


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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/6/2016 9:26:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's quite scary to me reading online about how much big powers do not want Trump as President as if he beats Hillary, people are speculating assassination or some freakish death is gonna happen on Trump before he can even take office on day 1.

Crazy......

Trump needs to up security! And get people to taste his food!

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/6/2016 9:29:04 PM   
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When one votes Third Party.

It's not about worrying about if the Third Party can't win, but giving your Third Party confidence to keep trying again and keep campaigning for his cause, next election and next election. As he sees his votes increases.

I mean, if nobody bothers to vote for the third party they want, then there is zero chance of it happening.

But if they start voting for the one they want, they might start seeing surprising results, of how many other people support this person too. And maybe next election, there will be more and more. The guy can say he already has how many percent support, join him to help him win!

I believe in voting third parties! If you don't like any of the two candidates. Then vote for the one you like. Show support to the one you like. Because if you hate both leading candidates, the choice is, stay at home, fuck it, which I think is stupid. Or go give your vote to someone you like and you think will be good to encourage him.

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/7/2016 12:26:28 AM   
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If voting for a 3rd party is such a dumb thing, how is it a President was elected in 1860 from a party that was a new 3rd party 4 years prior?

We don't have enough voters to make voting for a third party viable. The majority of people who vote go democrat or republican.


While that is true, it's immaterial. To get a 3rd party going, you don't need to win the election right out of the gate. It could take a few general elections, but if there are people who are actually fed up with the two parties, and voting against a candidate, it could gain traction and garner more and more voters.

If you're not voting for someone that represents you and your values, how do parties ever know what you need, as it pertains to representation? If you agree with 10% of the GOP planks and 0% of the Democrat planks, does your vote come with a footnote explaining your views?


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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/7/2016 12:36:48 AM   
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You're arguing about voting for evil.

It's makes sense if you only have two choices and one of those choices is less evil than the other then it's a no brainier.


There are more than 2 choices, though. There were more than 2 choices in 2012, too. Since you've already acknowledged that Ross Perot ran and received votes, you have to acknowledge there are more than 2 choices. Unless you get to explain your vote, voting for the lesser of two evils signals that you agree with the lesser of two evils.

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If voting for a 3rd party is such a dumb thing, how is it a President was elected in 1860 from a party that was a new 3rd party 4 years prior?

I never said voting for a 3rd party was dumb. If there was a 3rd party candidate that had a chance of becoming president and I liked him/her well enough or was the lesser of three evils then I would cast my vote for that person but since there is virtually no chance a 3rd party candidate will get elected now or anytime in the near future it's really a moot point.


There is virtually no chance a 3rd party candidate will get elected now or any time in the near future because people take the myopic view that because not enough people vote 3rd party, they're not going to either. It's a self-sustaining defeatist attitude.

Only one way to break that cycle. Vote for the person that best represents you and get to work on building that party. If all you ever do is pick between the lesser of two evils, you're always going to be given the choice of two evils to choose from.


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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/7/2016 12:37:19 AM   
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If voting for a 3rd party is such a dumb thing, how is it a President was elected in 1860 from a party that was a new 3rd party 4 years prior?


We don't have enough voters to make voting for a third party viable. The majority of people who vote go democrat or republican.


All they want is 5% of the vote, which can change a lot.

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/7/2016 12:39:27 AM   
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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/7/2016 12:42:06 AM   
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It's not about worrying about if the Third Party can't win, but giving your Third Party confidence to keep trying again and keep campaigning for his cause, next election and next election. As he sees his votes increases.

I mean, if nobody bothers to vote for the third party they want, then there is zero chance of it happening.


You need to be careful here. That sorta logic can't be shown clearly round these parts, else you risk being mod-ed.

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/7/2016 12:45:12 AM   
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