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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/4/2016 9:48:56 AM   
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Ooohh, the picture has became clearer. Ah I was in Australia last few days and every time being in Aussieland feels like I never get news from the rest of the world! Their local news can't be bothered with anything about American elections.

Anyway, Trump bringing attention to the conspiracy theory that Cruz's dad was involved with Lee Harvey Oswald.

I saw the video of how Cruz hugged his father so tightly after he announced his withdrawal. From everything I saw, CLEARLY there is something implicating that will come out IF they investigated the involvement of his father further. And this abrupt drop out, could be due to some revelation about his dad that he doesn't' want to come out. It's just too coincidentally close.





Greta,maybe the Aussies, unlike certain Trump supporters, bother to fact check their news before they report such utter crap.

Trump's claim is entirely baseless, laughable, and one of the prime examples of how he relies on shit to back him up. His sole source for this claim is a National Enquirer story-The National Enquirer. The most laughable and discredited magazine in the world. And their basis for the story was because someone claims that a picture of Oswald with a guy whom no one can identify looks like Cruz's dad 'might have' back then.

Every agency that has investigated this since the Enquirer published it in April has discredited. None of the people cited as sources in the original story will confirm or deny anything. Because it is entirely un-credible and anyone with an ounce of sense or dignity should cringe at the idea of reading the National Enquirer for the source of political news. I would give more credence to something written in the Onion.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/03/donald-trump/donald-trumps-ridiculous-claim-linking-ted-cruzs-f/

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/4/2016 9:58:49 AM   
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well kasichs out too according to CNN
leaving Don the Nom

and its only may
the religious right are already pulling out their hair.


Alex Jones is loving it,

Radio host Alex Jones, a top Donald Trump ally and leading conspiracy theorist, celebrated Trump’s likely clinching of the Republican nomination by calling on Trump critic George Will to kill himself.

Jones is a conspiracy theorist who believes the government was behind the 9/11 attacks and other national tragedies including the Oklahoma City bombing and shootings in Aurora, CO, and Newtown, CT.Trump and his campaign have been courting Alex Jones and his audience. Trump appeared on Jones’ December 2 program and told Jones: “Your reputation's amazing. I will not let you down." Jones claimed he has private conversations with Trump and that the Republican front-runner "listens to what we say." Jones has also teamed up with Trump ally Roger Stone, who is a frequent guest on Jones’ program and is working with Jones for pro-Trump protests at the Republican National Convention.

In a rambling YouTube video posted on the night of Trump’s victory in the Indiana Republican primary (h/t Right Wing Watch's Brian Tashman), Jones proclaimed that Trump “is a symbol of nationalism, a symbol of Americana, and a symbol of rebellion against tyranny. And everything the political whores, the presstitutes could do, blew up in their stinking, traitorous faces.” The video appears to have since been removed from Jones' official YouTube account.



Jones attacked media outlets like Fox News and CNN, claiming they feature “hot blondes crossing and uncrossing their legs, sexually titillating the teleprompter,” and said they have tried to throw the kitchen sink at Trump.

He also attacked Washington Post (which is “openly run by the CIA, look it up”) columnist George Will for his criticisms of Trump, calling Will “Ted Bundy” with a “cute little haircut … classic serial killer look.” Jones continued by claiming Will is a “constitutional rapist. This man is literally mounting America, raping it in the ass, and telling us how great he is.” He then directed Will to “look in the mirror, realize you’re a traitor, and do the right thing, and put a .357 Magnum to your head, and blow what little is left of your brains out all over yourself, OK? You traitor, you Benedict Arnold, you piece of filth.”

Jones warned his audience that the establishment may still try to “steal the election” from Trump, and said he’s going to be at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland with Roger Stone “to make sure the popular vote in this country counts."

Jones later said Trump had picked up “our story” about Sen. Ted Cruz’s father supposedly being linked to John F. Kennedy assassin Lee Harvey Oswald. Jones said that observers had “major, major, major freak-outs” at Trump over the Cruz story.

The conspiracy theorist also responded to Fox News host Greg Gutfeld’s assertion that Trump is pivoting into an "Alex Jones" presidency with his conspiracy theories. Jones claimed that he has a better reach than Fox News and other media outlets, and “my sponsorship’s exploding, my listenership’s exploding.”

Jones concluded by literally applauding Trump supporters, telling them: “Congratulations to all the Trump supporters that saw through the hype. Congratulations to people who stood up to the Democrat and Republican system. Congratulations to everybody that understands how epic a time we’re living in. Whether Trump’s real or not doesn’t matter -- this is all a massive test of the will of the people. So I want to salute you, and understand we’re on the path to victory. … You are the resistance.”

https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/05/04/alex-jones-celebrates-trump-victory-telling-george-will-blow-what-little-left-your-brains-out/210223


Its only gonna get crazier.

the gelling..far from even gooey
So many voters with more teeth than IQ Points.

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/4/2016 10:13:31 AM   
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whom I believe to be the anti-Christ.

Oh dear me.

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/4/2016 10:17:23 AM   
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whom I believe to be the anti-Christ.

Oh dear me.

Indeedies.

Should we laugh or cry?

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/4/2016 10:31:03 AM   
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My suspicion is that every liberal is secretly delighted with Trump claiming the GOP nomination. How could liberals not be delighted as they witness the GOP commit political suicide?

If sop, then they are rather foolish. Trump, for all his idiocy has tapped into a real groundswell of support among a good chunk of the electorate.

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There is simply no way The Mop is going to win the general election. How can someone like Trump win the independents and swinging voters?

I do not know, but here's the thing... he has already. Independents, and swing voters make up a healthy part of his support.

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How can people like Cruz ask or recommend people to vote for someone he called a "pathological liar" (and worse) only a week ago?

That's easy...politics. All that matters is that the party wins, it really doesn't matter who or how, just as long as the party wins.

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How can any genuine conservative vote for a race baiting woman hating demagogue billionaire like Trump? The Mop is the antithesis of genuine conservatism.

Actually, it is his policy proposals that ought to be worrying "genuine conservatives", as his proposals will increase the debt enormously. As for the race baiting and woman hating, well those are actually things that appeal to a lot of his supporters. See, in the US (and in most countries to be honest), most people who identify as "conservative" or "liberal" or "socialist" or whatever, don't really know what those terms actually mean, in many cases it is simply that they oppose something the other side supports (another weakness of the so-called two-party system). A good number of Republicans are Republican simply because they hate the Democrats (and visa versa), yet if you ask them why, they are very hard pressed to give a real reason, they will repeat the talking points spouted by their chosen media, whether Fox or MSNBC or whatever.

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Personally I am enjoying watching the GOP self-destruct so spectacularly. I wish things like this could happen more often. The USA and its citizens will be the real winners in this election.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch here, an electorate is a fickle and unpredictable thing, and Trump has defied all expectations. Most pundits and supposedly in the know commentators gave him no chance at the outset, and yet here we are with him as the presumptive nominee.

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/4/2016 10:34:54 AM   
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She seems to be an expert at lying and manipulating things, I'm sure she could help.

So is Trump, and yet given the popularity of both those candidates it appears that for a good portion of the US electorate that just doesn't matter. Or to be more accurate it doesn't matter if the guy on your side lies and manipulates, only if the guy on the other side does.

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/4/2016 10:40:07 AM   
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Greta,maybe the Aussies, unlike certain Trump supporters, bother to fact check their news before they report such utter crap.

Trump's claim is entirely baseless, laughable, and one of the prime examples of how he relies on shit to back him up. His sole source for this claim is a National Enquirer story-The National Enquirer. The most laughable and discredited magazine in the world. And their basis for the story was because someone claims that a picture of Oswald with a guy whom no one can identify looks like Cruz's dad 'might have' back then.

Every agency that has investigated this since the Enquirer published it in April has discredited. None of the people cited as sources in the original story will confirm or deny anything. Because it is entirely un-credible and anyone with an ounce of sense or dignity should cringe at the idea of reading the National Enquirer for the source of political news. I would give more credence to something written in the Onion.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/03/donald-trump/donald-trumps-ridiculous-claim-linking-ted-cruzs-f/


To me, Cruz withdrawing so suddenly after vowing to fight all the way, and getting a VP, is like right after this incident. It's great nobody found anything yet, but I think there is something to be found. That's why Cruz left. As I said, I'm so convinced of this, at body languages at his speech of giving up this race, and the way he looked at his dad and embraced his dad. Like he was saying, "I'm doing this for you dad!" And the fact that he embraced his dad first before his wife.


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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/4/2016 10:48:06 AM   
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Yes Trump is certainly a "wild card", which is precisely why he is so unsuited for the Presidency.

Do you want a "wild card", a person who lies so often he can't remember the last time he told the truth, an unpredictable maverick to be in charge of the world's largest nuclear arsenal with his finger on the button? Is this the kind of personal who should be charge of the world's largest and most effective military?

No one in their right mind would put such a person in charge of so much destructive power.

This is an exaggeration of how stupid he would be with nuclear arsenal. Everything the guy does, seems wildly crazy, but is calculated. He knows what his doing and what his trying to achieved. His doing it unconventionally, never seen before. Everyone has underestimated him so keep underestimating him.

From the day he officially said he was running, everybody laughed and thought he would never be taken seriously. The media all went out to attack and discredit him, left and right media, both did.

To me, his Presidential quality able to rise up despite having all major news channels against him and ridiculing him, knowing how much media influences have over most people's opinion. First he'll unite the people to vote for him. Next he'll unite the two parties. His the best of both worlds. His not extreme on either end.


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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/4/2016 10:54:38 AM   
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rise up?
ohyeah...hot air rises, its a fact.
but that is beside the point.




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whom I believe to be the anti-Christ.

Oh dear me.

Indeedies.

Should we laugh or cry?

consider the source.

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/4/2016 11:02:00 AM   
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That's why Cruz left.

No it's not. He explained why he left: because he no longer saw a viable path to the nomination.

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/4/2016 11:04:59 AM   
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No it's not. He explained why he left: because he no longer saw a viable path to the nomination.

That explanation didn't make any sense.
That conclusion was obvious a long time ago.
His goal was just to stop Trump from getting 1200+ delegates needed, not to win nomination and then battle him at convention.
He quit this goal, because of something else.

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/4/2016 11:05:24 AM   
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When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become President; I'm beginning to believe it. ~Clarence Darrow~

I'm not reading the Cruz has quit, he's 'suspending' his campaign. No real politician closes the door on future opportunity? Given what the donald has said about fellow Republicans, no telling what he'll outrage with attacking HRC. It's remotely possible he could even embarrass himself? Leaving a zero chance of winning, a withdrawal from candidacy leaves the field again open.

GWB is absolute proof that anybody but anybody...could be president. All this country can do, is go up from there.

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/4/2016 11:15:32 AM   
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So what if Hillary is the 'anti-Christ' whatever that is ? Just what does that really mean ?

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/4/2016 11:26:57 AM   
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GWB is absolute proof that anybody but anybody...could be president. All this country can do, is go up from there.

It was such a narrow win too. And Gore won popular vote. That really, luck was shining on GWB.

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/4/2016 12:00:28 PM   
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That explanation didn't make any sense.

Yes it does.
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That conclusion was obvious a long time ago.

No it was not
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His goal was just to stop Trump from getting 1200+ delegates needed, not to win nomination and then battle him at convention.

And that was his "viable path to the nomination".
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He quit this goal, because of something else.

No, he quit because he knew he could not win it.

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/4/2016 12:21:14 PM   
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Too bad, unemployment will go up now (staff will have to go out an get real jobs) and of course, it will be...Obama's fault.

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/4/2016 2:21:44 PM   
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To me, Cruz withdrawing so suddenly after vowing to fight all the way, and getting a VP, is like right after this incident. It's great nobody found anything yet, but I think there is something to be found. That's why Cruz left. As I said, I'm so convinced of this, at body languages at his speech of giving up this race, and the way he looked at his dad and embraced his dad. Like he was saying, "I'm doing this for you dad!" And the fact that he embraced his dad first before his wife.

It wasn't exactly a secret that losing Indiana would mean the end of his run.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/01/cruz-says-still-doing-everything-to-win-indiana-as-new-poll-shows-trump-leading-by-double-digits.html

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/4/2016 2:55:22 PM   
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I think the Republican party is gelling very very quickly behind trump
. Ya'll thought there was no way he was really running. No way he could win to be the candidate - no way to win the election.

You're wrong. At some point very soon the republican establishment is going to realize they are stuck with trump. They can win or lose with him - or they can cause a disaster and split from him. My bet is on the former.

My suspicion is that every liberal is secretly delighted with Trump claiming the GOP nomination. How could liberals not be delighted as they witness the GOP commit political suicide?
There is simply no way The Mop is going to win the general election.


Except of course by getting more votes, eh?


It's pretty obvious in every opinion poll going that Trump will lose against either HRC or Bernie. Despite your claims, Cruz who called Trump a "pathological liar" and his support base is hardly "gelling" behind Trump. When hardline Rightwingers like Bounty44 express their reservations about Trump as candidly as he did in post 27:

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i don't know if it quite call it a "fear" but trump is so polarizing and so dislikable, i suspect a lot of people who would have voted for another candidate, will not turn out for him.
i so dislike Hillary, but im not sure i like trump much better.


It's a telling sign that the Right is hopelessly split about Trump, and that lots of Right wingers are going to stay at home rather than being forced to vote for such an objectionable, truth-allergic, principle-free zone as The Mop. So what I think hardly matters. Trump is damned by his own 'side'.

Finally re: your personal predictions. I remember your repeated claims that Romney would romp it in over Obama in the last election. How did that turn out? The score on Presidential elections is Phydeaux's predictions 0 - reality 1. I don't see you lifting your game this time around, so my prediction is that the tally will read Phydeaux's predictions 0 - reality 2 after the votes are counted this November.


LOL.. And polls out 6 months from an election have how much validity? Oh yeah. None.
And just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it isn't happening. I could give you a list of people who are alread on the unify bandwidth - but whats the point. You are in your safe space, inured to reality.

LOL.. as for my personal claims that romney would romp - you're a flat out liar. Cite me, once, where I said anything like that.
Since, yanno, I wasn't a Romney supporter and didnt vote for him.


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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/4/2016 2:59:26 PM   
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My suspicion is that every liberal is secretly delighted with Trump claiming the GOP nomination. How could liberals not be delighted as they witness the GOP commit political suicide?

If sop, then they are rather foolish. Trump, for all his idiocy has tapped into a real groundswell of support among a good chunk of the electorate.

quote:

There is simply no way The Mop is going to win the general election. How can someone like Trump win the independents and swinging voters?

I do not know, but here's the thing... he has already. Independents, and swing voters make up a healthy part of his support.

quote:

How can people like Cruz ask or recommend people to vote for someone he called a "pathological liar" (and worse) only a week ago?

That's easy...politics. All that matters is that the party wins, it really doesn't matter who or how, just as long as the party wins.

quote:

How can any genuine conservative vote for a race baiting woman hating demagogue billionaire like Trump? The Mop is the antithesis of genuine conservatism.

Actually, it is his policy proposals that ought to be worrying "genuine conservatives", as his proposals will increase the debt enormously. As for the race baiting and woman hating, well those are actually things that appeal to a lot of his supporters. See, in the US (and in most countries to be honest), most people who identify as "conservative" or "liberal" or "socialist" or whatever, don't really know what those terms actually mean, in many cases it is simply that they oppose something the other side supports (another weakness of the so-called two-party system). A good number of Republicans are Republican simply because they hate the Democrats (and visa versa), yet if you ask them why, they are very hard pressed to give a real reason, they will repeat the talking points spouted by their chosen media, whether Fox or MSNBC or whatever.

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Personally I am enjoying watching the GOP self-destruct so spectacularly. I wish things like this could happen more often. The USA and its citizens will be the real winners in this election.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch here, an electorate is a fickle and unpredictable thing, and Trump has defied all expectations. Most pundits and supposedly in the know commentators gave him no chance at the outset, and yet here we are with him as the presumptive nominee.



Bravo.

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RE: Cruz drops out? - 5/4/2016 3:42:20 PM   
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Just curious... forget the better of two evils... do you think Trump would make a competent President? Would you really trust your children's future to his style of leadership?

I don't care what you think of Clinton or anyone else and I'm not asking if she is worse then Trump... I am only asking about Trump?

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