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Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/3/2016 7:58:51 PM   
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I know the topic of financial domination (which I personally consider is very exploitative and is a perversion of BDSM) has been previously well discussed on the forums here, but I was corresponding with a guy, who attacked me and was/is trying to defend it. His comments are below. These aren't my own comments.


- If you said, you don't see how getting paid, to act a show for someone who wants a particular service, qualifies it as BDSM, who said we're paying for a service? Sometimes we get nothing in return and sometimes we're rewarded. It's an act of submission and both parties, that which is giving/sacrificing and that which is receiving as both can get very sexually aroused in the act.

With regards to :
- never seeing a FD, or money pig anywhere in real life, but only online, well given that the very nature of findom is financial control - if I was in public, serving my owner, how would you know? Not all the time, is it providing the cash on hands and knees, being spat on, etc. Sometimes it's just her having the pin number and card in her hands and you end up simply carrying the bags. It's extremely discreet like that.

- never seeing a money pig, or any FD host a workshop, do a demo, or have seen one participate in the BDSM community, there's books, online articles and new dominants do message/contact others more experienced in it. I personally get email notifications from Den of Iniquity and they've had many workshops and some are on findom. Hell, here's one interview on 'Vice' that mentions said workshop:


https://www.vice.com/read/i-went-to-a-class-to-learn-how-to-financially-dominate-men

http://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-art-of-female-domination-class-3-financial-domination-tickets-12146479447

- never having met a female or male submissive who'd be incredibly stupid enough to want to forward cash to any male or female Fin Dom, without ever actually meeting them in person first, I've done online only for a while, but after I met my ex owner and that developed into a strong D/s, it's hard to go back to online only. However, there's thousands that do online-only. I wouldn't dare call them all stupid, if that's what they enjoy.

- the only people who claim it's a valid fetish being Fin Dommes themselves, if you consider it's akin to being a cyber hooker, while respecting prostitution and the adult entertainment industry, which is where money pigs and Fin Dommes fit better than in the BDSM community, for those of us that are submissive as well, also acknowledge it as a valid fetish.

How is it akin to prostitution, when it doesn't fit the definition? Nor does it always equal adult entertainment. For those of us where findom was a major part of our own personal lives, not public at all - it's hardly adult entertainment. Now, let's compare that to say, foot worship - how many videos online can you find of that? Millions - using your failed logic, I should now relegate all foot worship to adult entertainment and that's it.

- exchanging online time for something someone wants is like a job, so it's not sexual and it's not a fetish and that's where Fin Dommery equates quite well to prostitution, as an FD isn't motivated by sex and usually gains no sexual gratification, I can say from experience on both sides of the coin, it's very much is sexual. So can many others attest to that. Since we're talking about something that's inherently personal, anecdotes is all that can be used as counter-evidence and thus, must be accepted.

- FD's in 99.99% of cases, jumping on a money making band wagon, because the FD's who'd be genuine are those who'd give a submissive male, genuine attention in return for the money/gift they receive, most do, but it depends on what the sub wants, do they want that bitchy type, or not?

- not seeing female subs giving money to female Fin Dommes and considering it as a predatory practice based on horribly skewed and under-represented ratios of male slaves to female dominants, hence why there's not many male Fin Doms, if you consider the practice itself is so farcical, as there has to be a completely unsustainable ratio, in play for someone to give up money just for a chance to be acknowledged, as I've already shown, you don't seem to have a good grasp at all, nor done much digging into the topic, as you try, to sound.

I've known several online that were female (not my slaves), but I've also had a female slave into findom, even if only briefly. Yes, there's a vast majority of female dominants and male subs into this fetish. I don't really need to continue you on - your comment is ill-thought, ill-placed, ill-researched and arrogant as hell.

Do some more reading first.

Oh and by definition:

fetish : a form of sexual desire in which gratification is linked to an abnormal degree to a particular object, item of clothing, part of the body, etc.

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RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/3/2016 8:10:34 PM   
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Financial domination takes on different forms.

As it is generally practiced, I'd say no. It's not a legitimate part of BDSM. If you're the 'pay pig' paying a "Fin Domme" for a service, she is your employee, or contractor and the true nature of the power exchange is completely backwards.

However, there is a version of it that can be a genuine part of BDSM: when it is part of a live-in arrangement and the slave simply does not handle any significant amounts of money. If he or she holds down a job, their paycheck is deposited in an account that their owner has complete control over that's a scenario where the power exchange is consistent with the Owner/slave dynamic as it's being practiced in the relationship. And the slave is at least being provided with basic life necessities... food, clothing, shelter, and at least basic medical.

In short, to my mind, you're not a real FinDomme unless your slave is handing you a blank, signed IRS tax return each January and you're doing his/her taxes. THAT'S what real financial domination looks like.

To be clear, I'm not endorsing that form of financial slavery outside of a truly committed relationship. But that's what it would have to look like, to me, for financial domination to be truly BDSM related.

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RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/3/2016 8:24:44 PM   
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I guess that depends on how broadly or how narrowly you want to define BDSM.
Now I have a question for you: What does it matter? Why do you care if other people do it?
And as a final note, this term:
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a perversion of BDSM

Really? How do you pervert something that is perverted to begin with?

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RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/3/2016 8:36:32 PM   
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quote:

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I guess that depends on how broadly or how narrowly you want to define BDSM.
Now I have a question for you: What does it matter? Why do you care if other people do it?
And as a final note, this term:
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a perversion of BDSM

Really? How do you pervert something that is perverted to begin with?


If you understand BDSM as a concept that includes Bondage, Domination, Sadism and Masochism, and try to fit FinDom as it is typically practiced into that framework, where does it fall?

As I noted above, the power exchange is backwards in the 'sugar daddy' scenario. It's a fetishy form of role-play where the 'dominant' isn't really dominant and the 'submissive' has all the real control.

So yeah... getting BDSM backwards is a way to pervert it.

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RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/3/2016 9:05:00 PM   
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If it works for both parties involved, then why wouldn't it be a "genuine" part of BDSM, whatever the fuck that means?

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RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/3/2016 9:53:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: stef

If it works for both parties involved, then why wouldn't it be a "genuine" part of BDSM, whatever the fuck that means?

^^^ This


And.... oh, yeah.....another FinDomme thread...
OP you could have posted on one of the other 50 threads bitching about FinDommes....

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RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/3/2016 9:54:34 PM   
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I don't understand why a guy would send money to a woman's paypal account without ever meeting her.

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RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 12:25:55 AM   
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I don't understand why a guy would send money to a woman's paypal account without ever meeting her.

There's not enough storage available on this site's servers to document that which you don't understand.

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RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 12:28:35 AM   
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I don't understand why a guy would send money to a woman's paypal account without ever meeting her.



You could have saved some typing and just put a full stop after the word "account".



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RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 3:05:36 AM   
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Is being a Boy Scout or Girl Scout a genuine part of BDSM? Nope. But people in BDSM often dress like scouts... and nuns, and priests etc.

Conversely, being in control of someone's finances, like your real life partner, is often part of BDSM. But solely controlling finances is being a comptroller, not a being a Master or Mistress.

Also, dressing like Domme and only asking for money has as much to do with real life BDSM as dressing like a nun at the dungeon has to do with real religion. However, the online demand for it will not dwindle and practicing parties will continue to profess they are real life slaves because they paid some "official FinDom" that just started last month to say so.

When you see a FinDom demo at a leather convention and some bitch rolls an ATM on stage, has her slave goes over and gets money out of it for her, then FinDomery will have made its entrance into reality. Until then it's all online fuckery.

"You can stand in the garage, but that doesn't mean you are a car." The Fluffdoms areready perverted BDSM claiming that DS stands for "D/s".. I am waiting for the Findommes to say the M stands for Money. Blatantly Dispensing Slaves' Money

more here...
-=Money Pigs/FinDomery - real fetish or fake? (soapbox)=-

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RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 9:54:32 AM   
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quote:

If you understand BDSM as a concept that includes Bondage, Domination, Sadism and Masochism, and try to fit FinDom as it is typically practiced into that framework, where does it fall?

Under the Domination/Submission part.
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As I noted above, the power exchange is backwards in the 'sugar daddy' scenario. It's a fetishy form of role-play where the 'dominant' isn't really dominant and the 'submissive' has all the real control.

So? Is it any less of a power exchange? Just because they do it differently from you does not make it any less of a power exchange, does it? Just because they dress it up in a different fantasy than the master/mistress and their "slave" does not make it any less of an exchange.
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So yeah... getting BDSM backwards is a way to pervert it.

Ah, there is the One True Way raising it's head again.

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RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 9:56:31 AM   
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I don't understand why a guy would send money to a woman's paypal account without ever meeting her.

Yeah? Well lots of people don't understand why I like my Fella to squirt hot sauce up my ass and stick needles in me, what of it? Just because you don't understand it does not somehow invalidate it.

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RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 10:00:06 AM   
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quote:

Conversely, being in control of someone's finances, like your real life partner, is often part of BDSM. But solely controlling finances is being a comptroller, not a being a Master or Mistress.

So them not being into everything that you are into makes them fake?
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When you see a FinDom demo at a leather convention

So events and conventions now define BDSM? I guess we really have gone mainstream.

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RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 10:04:26 AM   
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Don't be stupid. It's a scam.

I know those making money out of idiots desperately try and pretend otherwise, but there's absolutely no question that financial domination is the exploitation of the stupid by the morally bankrupt.

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RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 10:05:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

However, the online demand for it will not dwindle and practicing parties will continue to profess they are real life slaves because they paid some "official FinDom" that just started last month to say so.




What are the criteria for being a "real life slave"?

Just curious.

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RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 3:09:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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As I noted above, the power exchange is backwards in the 'sugar daddy' scenario. It's a fetishy form of role-play where the 'dominant' isn't really dominant and the 'submissive' has all the real control.

So? Is it any less of a power exchange? Just because they do it differently from you does not make it any less of a power exchange, does it? Just because they dress it up in a different fantasy than the master/mistress and their "slave" does not make it any less of an exchange.


It is absolutely NOT a power exchange. The "pay pig" maintains control over his money, and simply allows the "Fin Domme" to purchase some things with his money. It's like going into the grocery store with food stamps/"independence card." You're buying things with "Uncle Sugars'" money. That doesn't mean you have any power. In fact, it means the opposite.

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So yeah... getting BDSM backwards is a way to pervert it.

Ah, there is the One True Way raising it's head again.


This isn't a 'one true way' thing. But if you don't understand the true nature of the power dynamic, you're misunderstanding BDSM. Doing something backwards is doing it backwards.

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RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 3:16:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheCabal


This isn't a 'one true way' thing. But if you don't understand the true nature of the power dynamic, you're misunderstanding BDSM. Doing something backwards is doing it backwards.


How would this be different from someone being a "service top"?

Not all of BDSM is about power exchange, is it?

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RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 3:17:54 PM   
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If it works for both parties involved, then why wouldn't it be a "genuine" part of BDSM, whatever the fuck that means?


Mutual masturbation "works for both parties involved" but it isn't a genuine part of BDSM.

As noted elsewhere, if you dress like a nun during a scene, you're not a "genuine" Catholic. The term BDSM actually means something. Bondage, Domination, Sadism, Masochism. That's what the letters stand for. If you're going to use them, you should know that. A FinDomme doesn't participate in Bondage, Sadism or Masochism in any form at all. As it is typically practiced, she has no real control over the "pay pigs" finances - just whatever HE DECIDES to set aside for her little spending spree. In other words, for the Domination aspect to apply, the "Pay Pig" is the person actually in control, and the fin domme is the submissive. Again, as it is typically practiced, the power exchange is backwards. It can't accurately be called Domination.

Look, the guy who goes out and buys you a few nice things in order to get your attention isn't your submissive and you're not his Domme. That's not a power exchange relationship. Or if it is, the Domme is surrendering to the Submissive in exchange for whatever nice things the Submissive has purchased for her. Being for sale is NOT, and never will be, a Dominant trait.

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RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 3:23:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheCabal


This isn't a 'one true way' thing. But if you don't understand the true nature of the power dynamic, you're misunderstanding BDSM. Doing something backwards is doing it backwards.


How would this be different from someone being a "service top"?

Not all of BDSM is about power exchange, is it?



No, not all of BDSM is all about power exchange. But "Financial Domination" IS about power exchange. Think about the actual meaning of the words "Financial Domination" - to dominate someone's finances. As it is typically practiced, a Fin Domme is really closer to a 'sugar baby.'

I suppose you could compare this to a "service top" - but a "service top" isn't actually in charge either. Being for sale is NOT a dominant trait.

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RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 3:26:01 PM   
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No, not all of BDSM is all about power exchange. But "Financial Domination" IS about power exchange. Think about the actual meaning of the words "Financial Domination" - to dominate someone's finances. As it is typically practiced, a Fin Domme is really closer to a 'sugar baby.'

I suppose you could compare this to a "service top" - but a "service top" isn't actually in charge either. Being for sale is NOT a dominant trait.


However, would you argue that a "service top", who isn't actually in charge, is not engaging in BDSM?



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