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The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny - 6/8/2016 8:22:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, the Republican Party, and all its people, working 24/7 to 'explain' how Mr. Trump's actions (or lack of them) and his words are not evil. They are not racist. They are not sexist. They are not anti-American. Nor are they tyrannical.

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Republicans and Tea Party people whom once blasted Mr. Trump, now not only endorse him, but try to run interference to hide the shit everyone knows is taking place (thanks to that 'liberal' media....). They try and try to spin the language and words of what Mr. Trump stated; the only people apparently accepting the bullshit are conservatives and libertarians in the nation.

Gun nuts on here have told me time and again: they would defend the nation from tyranny with their guns. Well, Mr. Trump is the tyrant.....

...What the fuck are you waiting for? A fucking invitation to get a fucking clue?

The only good quality Mr. Trump has for America is serving as an example of what....NOT....to hire for the Office of the President. Not now. Not in the next ten generations from now!

If the Democrats were fielding a NAZI, you would be all up in arms about it. Yet, since it is on the Republican ticket, your are compliant, obedient, and submissive. You'll do what the party tells you to do: vote Trump. Because they'll show on their media mouth pieces (i.e. FOX 'news') that Hillary Clinton will destroy the nation.

Time to show the American people that your not a fool, an idiot, or a moron. Because I do not see many conservatives protesting Trump becoming the nominee. If the primaries in each state are any indication....

Yeah, Trump will go down in flames in the general election. The liberals and Moderates will have to do what conservatives are to spineless and cowardly to do: keep Trump from the White House. When that happens, gun nuts, don't bother telling me....ever....that your guns are to protect this nation from tyranny. Cus, it will be total bullshit (like the rest of your silly arguments). For the rest of conservatives and libertarians? Wear a brown paper bag over your head for the next four years. Make sure to write the word 'idiot' just above the cut out for the eyes in the bag.

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RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny - 6/8/2016 8:48:11 AM   
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Yeah, Trump will go down in flames in the general election.

I am not so certain. I really hope so, but I am not willing to state it as an absolute.

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RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny - 6/8/2016 8:50:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Having now read the article, I have to agree, it's really pretty fucking pathetic, the lame ass excuses they are making. It would be really something if somebody would just stand up and say "No, sorry, party be damned, I do not agree with this shit".

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RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny - 6/8/2016 8:57:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		When you have a statement about trump surrogates being told to go after the judge and his "racism" one day.
and the next day you have Jeffrey Lord arguing that donald trump is pointing out the judges racism for 20 minutes.
It shows just how many idiots there are out there.


No I can believe that the americans voting for him are complete morons, its just a case of how many morons that will vote vs smart people that will vote.


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RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny - 6/8/2016 9:12:40 AM   
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RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny - 6/8/2016 9:23:59 AM   
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Yeah, Trump will go down in flames in the general election.

I am not so certain. I really hope so, but I am not willing to state it as an absolute.


Hillary has her problems. She is not well liked by people. Are you voting for someone to have a beer with? Or manage a nation of 310 million people for four years? Hillary can easily handle the nation from the White House. No one disputes that. On either side of the isle!

Mr. Trump, is making the whole of conservatives and libertarians look like total idiots! Not just idiots, but a people that will blindly follow without questioning authority. He has been shown to have no diplomatic skills, nor is he honest (i.e. Trump University). He spews racist comments like most people breath air. He acts before he thinks. And has made a fool out of all the Republicans before the nation.


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RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny - 6/8/2016 9:26:52 AM   
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Having now read the article, I have to agree, it's really pretty fucking pathetic, the lame ass excuses they are making. It would be really something if somebody would just stand up and say "No, sorry, party be damned, I do not agree with this shit".


Any remaining views on Republicans having integrity are just shot to hell! None of those people should be taken seriously in government. If conservatives and libertarians can not do it; then its up to the only....REAL AMERICANS....to handle the problems: liberals and moderates.

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RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny - 6/8/2016 9:31:46 AM   
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Having now read the article, I have to agree, it's really pretty fucking pathetic, the lame ass excuses they are making. It would be really something if somebody would just stand up and say "No, sorry, party be damned, I do not agree with this shit".

A few have, to be fair. Their existence is being minimised by the left leaning media, of course, but it's looking increasingly likely like a few of the Elect will be putting up anti-Flump conservative candidates as independents. Bill Kristol has already dredged up some libertarian blogger after Condi Rice told him to fuck off, it seems.

And as for the whole "we need our guns to defend against unconstitutional tyranny" thing goes, didn't the fact that the little tossers (and this wasn't just just the Denialican libertarians: it was all of Republicns and most of the rest of the right) spent eight years making excuses for Bush minor's constant assaults on the constitution and civil liberties in the name of security already prove that story was a load of lying bullshit?

Lucy: I just love the whole thing with the Judge. Flump shooting his mouth off about all Mexicans being crooks and rapists is not racist, but a Judge bringing legal proceedings against him for fraud is. he's really sending out a message about judicial freedom in the event of his being elected there, isn't he?

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RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny - 6/8/2016 9:50:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I see Pam Bondi is in trouble.... http://bigstory.ap.org/article/e16a8223c24048d290883370dc6abe5b/florida-ag-asked-trump-donation-nixing-fraud-case
ASHINGTON (AP) — Florida's attorney general personally solicited a political contribution from Donald Trump around the same time her office deliberated joining an investigation of alleged fraud at Trump University and its affiliates

The new disclosure from Attorney General Pam Bondi's spokesman to The Associated Press on Monday provides additional details around the unusual circumstances of Trump's $25,000 donation to Bondi.

The money came from a Trump family foundation in apparent violation of rules surrounding political activities by charities. A political group backing Bondi's re-election, called And Justice for All, reported receiving the check Sept. 17, 2013 — four days after Bondi's office publicly announced she was considering joining a New York state probe of Trump University's activities, according to a 2013 report in the Orlando Sentinel.

After the check came in, Bondi's office nixed suing Trump, citing insufficient grounds to proceed.



Also rumours about Trump.
Overlooking terrorism that killed Americans, including the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, Donald Trump sought investment partnerships with Muammar al-Qaddafi and the Libyan regime. He rented his Westchester estate to the dictator, tried to set up a face-to-face meeting, and took the Libyan ambassador golfing.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/e16a8223c24048d290883370dc6abe5b/florida-ag-asked-trump-donation-nixing-fraud-case


However it is all smokes and mirrors and not discussing what really is the problem
Hilary and the clinton foundation!!!!!!


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RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny - 6/8/2016 10:14:24 AM   
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Lucy: I just love the whole thing with the Judge. Flump shooting his mouth off about all Mexicans being crooks and rapists is not racist, but a Judge bringing legal proceedings against him for fraud is. he's really sending out a message about judicial freedom in the event of his being elected there, isn't he?

well he and his surrogates are now saying muslim judges, and women judges could be biased, but white guys are incorruptible apparently...
The fact that this man could nominate any judges is enough to make you vomit.



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RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny - 6/8/2016 10:23:05 AM   
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Yeah, Trump will go down in flames in the general election.

I am not so certain. I really hope so, but I am not willing to state it as an absolute.

Clinton is a poor candidate. Trump could win this.

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RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny - 6/8/2016 10:35:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, the Republican Party, and all its people, working 24/7 to 'explain' how Mr. Trump's actions (or lack of them) and his words are not evil. They are not racist. They are not sexist. They are not anti-American. Nor are they tyrannical.

Nods.

Not so long ago, on here in particular, I stated categorically his own party would stop him. And just before the time it was down to him and cruz ( a complete fekless non entity) I became fully awakened to how some American minds work, their cognitive processes, and, then I realized, and stated, he could not be stopped king of the monkey people a fuking train wreck.

I am now also of the opinion he will beat Hilary it will be super tight And the dangerous buffoon will lord over your monkey people

is it fair to compare him with Hitler - no Hitler had a better brain and Stalin...and thatcher for those of you who remember it.

All I see is a man, who says nothing at all and is hollow chauvinistic bluster of nil content appealing to all weak and feeble kindred, like him

Hilary I have no formed a absolute opinion yet. Bernie I will miss.

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RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny - 6/8/2016 10:37:31 AM   
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Yeah, Trump will go down in flames in the general election.

I am not so certain. I really hope so, but I am not willing to state it as an absolute.

Clinton is a poor candidate. Trump could win this.


I'm not sure if that scares me more than if Hillary wins or not. Might be just as bad, with the only difference is in how we're getting fucked over.


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RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny - 6/8/2016 11:06:51 AM   
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RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny - 6/8/2016 11:37:45 AM   
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-judge-teleprompter_us_57577c4ae4b01270c7736920


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-releases-lengthy-trump-u-curiel-statement
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    Due to what I believe are unfair and mistaken rulings in this case and the Judge’s reported associations with certain professional organizations, questions were raised regarding the Obama appointed Judge’s impartiality. It is a fair question. I hope it is not the case.

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IF the judge does support or belong to "certain professional organizations" that could make his impartiality rightly be questioned, Trump has every right to bring it up. Plus, IF Trump's comments were based on the "associations with certain professional organizations," and not simply because the judge is of Mexican heritage, then there just might not be any racism involved.

Two big if's there. I don't know what the truth is, but Trump is a horrible candidate outside of any racism that he may or may not have.

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RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny - 6/8/2016 11:44:26 AM   
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Yeah, Trump will go down in flames in the general election.

I am not so certain. I really hope so, but I am not willing to state it as an absolute.

Clinton is a poor candidate. Trump could win this.

Dubious that Flump is a better candidate than Clinton, myself.

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RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny - 6/8/2016 11:45:27 AM   
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-judge-teleprompter_us_57577c4ae4b01270c7736920


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-releases-lengthy-trump-u-curiel-statement
    quote:

    Due to what I believe are unfair and mistaken rulings in this case and the Judge’s reported associations with certain professional organizations, questions were raised regarding the Obama appointed Judge’s impartiality. It is a fair question. I hope it is not the case.

    [Italics mine]


IF the judge does support or belong to "certain professional organizations" that could make his impartiality rightly be questioned, Trump has every right to bring it up. Plus, IF Trump's comments were based on the "associations with certain professional organizations," and not simply because the judge is of Mexican heritage, then there just might not be any racism involved.

Two big if's there. I don't know what the truth is, but Trump is a horrible candidate outside of any racism that he may or may not have.

http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2016/06/03/dishonest-attempt-associate-gonzalo-curiel-la-raza/


I want to say up front that I don't really know much (anything) about Gonzalo Curiel, other than what I have read in the papers. He might be a good judge, he might be a terrible one. I've never practiced in front of him. I've been shown no evidence that he is a bad one, other than the fact that he rules against Donald Trump and his lawyers, which seems to be enough for Trump and his supporters, but it is not enough for me.

Based on a pretty good amount of evidence, Trump University was a fraud, Trump did lie about the extent of his participation in it, and the people he defrauded should have their day in court. I see no evidence that Curiel has done anything wrong whatsoever in this case, or improper.

Anyway, in addition to Trump's overtly racist attack on Curiel, in which Trump explicitly said that Curiel cannot be trusted to rule fairly on any case involving Trump or any of his companies solely on the basis of his Mexican heritage, both Trump and certain lazy/dishonest conservative bloggers have attempted to affiliate Curiel with "La Raza."

What they are attempting to do is associate Curiel with the National Council of La Raza, the radical left-wing and pro-illegal-immigration group that has gained significant notoriety in the news over the years as a group that is both anti-American and open to fomenting violent pro-immigration protests.

Curiel, however, has no affiliation with this group whatsoever. He is a member of La Raza Lawyers of California - aka the Latino Bar Association of California. They have absolutely no affiliation with National Council of La Raza. As far as I can tell, they appear to be a pretty garden variety special interest lawyers association. Every state has these chapters for Hispanic lawyers, black lawyers, women lawyers, Mormon lawyers, Christian lawyers, Jewish lawyers - you name it, there is a lawyer association for it in every state. They have meetings, everyone comes and eat lunch together, and they serve pretty much exclusively the function of networking, which is the lifeblood of legal business generation.

Maybe you find the existence of these groups distasteful and tacky, but that's a separate point. The point is, no, Judge Curiel is not a member of or affiliated with the radical leftwing group that conservatives have come to know and hate, in spite of the surface level similarity of name.

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RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny - 6/8/2016 11:55:18 AM   
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Yeah, Trump will go down in flames in the general election.

I am not so certain. I really hope so, but I am not willing to state it as an absolute.

Clinton is a poor candidate. Trump could win this.

Dubious that Flump is a better candidate than Clinton, myself.

. . . but he has a national organization behind him who will vote lock step for any candidate with an R.

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RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny - 6/8/2016 12:29:28 PM   
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RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny - 6/8/2016 12:30:20 PM   
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Yeah, Trump will go down in flames in the general election.

I am not so certain. I really hope so, but I am not willing to state it as an absolute.

Clinton is a poor candidate. Trump could win this.

Dubious that Flump is a better candidate than Clinton, myself.

. . . but he has a national organization behind him who will vote lock step for any candidate with an R.


Yep, but this year...not quite 100%. The dems will however, still have to get to the polls for HRC to win. I think the clincher just might be given Trump being her opponent, women of all political stripes now...want a 1st woman pres.

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