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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 7:21:53 PM

BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Edwird

Have you ever tried to keep perfectly still after being tazed twice? You've never seen a video of a person being tazed and how their body responds?

It was impossible for him to stop moving.

The original call was about a guy with a gun, but when they drag him to the ground one officer screams "He's got a gun!" like they were surprised?

Do they keep lowering the max IQ ceiling to be allowed into police academy these days?

The guy never touched his gun. The police pulled it out of his pocket after they killed him.

How do you know he never touched his gun, the critical area was obscured by the cops trying to subdue him. You do know that if he got his hand on the gun the cops could see that and he wouldn't have to completly clear it to shoot the cop holding his legs. And yes I have seen videos of people who kept comming after multiple tazings, those things are not a sure fire as you assume.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 7:26:16 PM

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Sometimes when police are called, someone is in direct immediate danger. Someone is hiding, injured, or so traumatized, the police have to enter on high alert.

Anyone who finds themselves in such a situation better cooperate.
We take action. Follow the rules. Case closed.

Not that simple. These two cops were not on high alert. They did not have their guns out until they had wrestled Sterling to the ground. That's not high alert; that's walking stupid.

They were out to kill him but they didn't have thier guns out, do you see a problem with that line of reasoning.
It is also standard practice when a black is killed by a cop to act like the cops deliberatly following the one path that would let them have an excuse to kill someone. Anytime this happens every cop in the country is demonized.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 7:27:50 PM

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I don't understand why cops aren't train to shoot areas where it will cause a man to be down, but not dead! Maybe that's the problem!
Their shooting skills really sucks!

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 7:30:24 PM

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I would like to know IF there are ever white people killings by cops ever?

And does it ever make the news?

But these cops seem way too high handed with their usage of guns.

More whites are kiled by cops than blacks, but there is no White lives matter organizations. It doesn't make the news because noone in the media cares and there are no riots after a whit person is killed.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 7:34:07 PM

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Vincent it seems to me as though your Police are on drugs, not trained and so hyped up, out of control.
glad I am not there.

Welcome to the Boards :0)

In his comments today the Governor of Minnesota said that if Castile had been white he would still be alive.

The President remarked this evening that police would have an easier job if they had the trust of the communities they served; the men and women in Blue would feel more confident everyday that they would return home to their families at the end of their shifts. Obama suggested it would be better if the police acted as guardians of the people than as warriors.

The U.S. Justice Department offers guidance, financing, and courses to advance Community Policing Techniques.

SOURCE

While I agree that there would have to be a lot of things happen to make the Castile case justified the governer is an idiot. That is exactly the thing a person would say if you wanted a riot.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 7:40:27 PM

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In the Castile incident where he told them he was carrying, whatever happened to "stick your arms out the window; show me your hands."

In my country, as long as the person had a weapon, it's legit for the cop to shoot that person. But then again, all weapons are illegal in my country.

So the thing is that, THIS is the complication when cops are dealing with people with guns. And if someone tell a cop that they got a gun, isn't that threatening the cops?

No, in Alabama you are required to inform a cop if you are armed.
I start with something like in order to avoid a misunderstanding I want you to know that I have a ccw and am carrying, it is on my right side, what do you want me to do?

Of course if you say I have a gun belligerently and make a sudden move he could take it that way.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 7:43:27 PM

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I don't understand why cops aren't train to shoot areas where it will cause a man to be down, but not dead! Maybe that's the problem!
Their shooting skills really sucks!

You don't understand firearms at all

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 7:48:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

You don't understand firearms at all

I understand that you can shoot them in areas where they won't die.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 7:52:24 PM

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You don't understand firearms at all

I understand that you can shoot them in areas where they won't die.

Funny how this is rarely mentioned.
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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 7:55:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

If they come in on high alert and something happens to confirm the danger it isn't murder even if it isn't a gun he is going for.
It may be misconduct but it is not murder.

If he were just another law abiding citizen would it be murder or would it be misconcuct?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 7:59:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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You don't understand firearms at all

I understand that you can shoot them in areas where they won't die.

Do you understand that cops are only supossed to fire when someones life is at stake,
Do you understand that the less likely a local is to kill, it is also less likely to stop them?
Do you understand that Micheal Brown was shot 6 times, and that the first 5 were in those nonlethal places?
That only the one that was a lethal location did any good.
Do you understand that those nonlethal targets are smaller and less likely to be hit at all increasing the chance of striking an innocent person?
Do you understand that being smaller a round is more likely to go straight through again increasing the danger for bystanders?
Do you understand that this isn't the movies which seems to be where you got your firearms education.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 8:00:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: Marini
ORIGINAL: Greta75
ORIGINAL: BamaD

You don't understand firearms at all

I understand that you can shoot them in areas where they won't die.

Funny how this is rarely mentioned.
Hummmm

Actually the second longest thread on this forum is about that very thing. Bammad does not believe he or any other person is capable of stopping an asailant with a less than lethal shot. His ignorant unsubstantiated peurile opinion is that you must empty the magazine into center of mass to have any chance of living if the asailant is less than 21 feet away....but then he is a graduate of the university of dumbass.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 8:03:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And yes I have seen videos of people who kept comming after multiple tazings, those things are not a sure fire as you assume.

Of course you have

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 8:05:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

More whites are kiled by cops than blacks,

Whites make up about half of the country blacks make up 13%
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

but there is no White lives matter organizations.

Well we do have you and the rest of your bigoted possie.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 8:09:03 PM

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You don't understand firearms at all

Mr. mensa eligible...you have proved you also have no understanding of firearms. Here is a clue. The bullets for a .22 magnum are too big to fit into a .22 l.r.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 8:09:24 PM

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multi-city pattern that lacks a corresponding record of killing white suspects in the same circumstances

Just perhaps there are fewer of those circumstances among whites... do you know?... I'll admit I don't but there is no way around disproportionate African American crime and the propensity to resist arrest. I believe there are reasons… but these reasons are not for the police to solve… they are for society in general. Holding police responsible for African American crime is like holding teachers responsible for the poor behavior of students at school.

But let me make myself clear…I do not know the circumstances of Vince’s examples… there are investigations to be performed before we can make that determination.

BUT

If this man resisted arrest…and I was a police officer involved… and in the struggle I saw a weapon protruding from his pocket…and he was trying to get it out and I could not control him… I’d shoot too… I would want to go home to my family as well.

If this officer shot the man out of anger rather than need then I am all for a prosecution.... I see nothing wrong with close scrutiny of police actions...all it can do is force more training and weed out those that should not carry a badge. The discussion of policing also shines a light on social problems that need to be addressed.

Butch

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 8:11:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Do you understand that Micheal Brown was shot 6 times, and that the first 5 were in those nonlethal places?
That only the one that was a lethal location did any good.

Not true. The only one that killed him was the lethal one. Your opinion that it was good speaks directly to your bigotry.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 8:23:44 PM

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Just perhaps there are fewer of those circumstances among whites... do you know?

Butch I know you are one disingenuous little punk. All of this is in the doj report on furgistan that you refuse to read. So why don't you take that self serving sack of shit you just posted and stick it up your ass.

... I'll admit I don't

But it clearly will not stop you posting your bigoted line of sophistry now will it?

but there is no way around disproportionate African American crime and the propensity to resist arrest.

They have a high possibility of dying while in custody so perhaps they have a reason to resist arrest???Had you read the doj report on furgistan you would have seen validation of the patern of cops arresting people for things that are not crimes and then beating them half to death while in custody and then fining them for bleeding on the cops uniform.

I believe there are reasons… but these reasons are not for the police to solve…

The largest police departments in amerika have been taken over by the doj for being criminal conspiracies and not police departments. How can you be unaware of this?

they are for society in general. Holding police responsible for African American crime

Only you are holding police responsible for african amerikan crime. No one else has made such an assanine statement. What we want is to hold the police responsible for the murders and other crimes they commit.

is like holding teachers responsible for the poor behavior of students at school.

Teachers most deinitaly are responsible for classroom discipline.

But let me make myself clear…I do not know the circumstances of Vince’s examples

You claim ignorance of the issues but that certainly has not dampened your ardor for exonerating the cops.

If this man resisted arrest…and I was a police officer involved… and in the struggle I saw a weapon protruding from his pocket…and he was trying to get it out and I could not control him… I’d shoot too… I would want to go home to my family as well.

If you are a cop in texas if you try to arrest someone illegally that person is allowed by law to resist with deadly force...would you like to see that statute expanded to other states?

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 8:27:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I would like to know IF there are ever white people killings by cops ever?

And does it ever make the news?

But these cops seem way too high handed with their usage of guns.

Most cop killings are of white people.

Rarely does it make the news.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 8:27:21 PM

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Who are you...are you getting mellow in your old age? Come on tell it like you really mean it.

Butch

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