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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 8:30:55 PM   
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multi-city pattern that lacks a corresponding record of killing white suspects in the same circumstances


Just perhaps there are fewer of those circumstances among whites... do you know?... I'll admit I don't but there is no way around disproportionate African American crime and the propensity to resist arrest. I believe there are reasons… but these reasons are not for the police to solve… they are for society in general. Holding police responsible for African American crime is like holding teachers responsible for the poor behavior of students at school.

But let me make myself clear…I do not know the circumstances of Vince’s examples… there are investigations to be performed before we can make that determination.

BUT

If this man resisted arrest…and I was a police officer involved… and in the struggle I saw a weapon protruding from his pocket…and he was trying to get it out and I could not control him… I’d shoot too… I would want to go home to my family as well.

If this officer shot the man out of anger rather than need then I am all for a prosecution.... I see nothing wrong with close scrutiny of police actions...all it can do is force more training and weed out those that should not carry a badge. The discussion of policing also shines a light on social problems that need to be addressed.


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Agreed, maybe we should wait for all the facts.
However more white people are shot by cops than black people.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 8:32:41 PM   
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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 8:34:08 PM   
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Vincent it seems to me as though your Police are on drugs, not trained and so hyped up, out of control.
glad I am not there.

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In his comments today the Governor of Minnesota said that if Castile had been white he would still be alive.

The President remarked this evening that police would have an easier job if they had the trust of the communities they served; the men and women in Blue would feel more confident everyday that they would return home to their families at the end of their shifts. Obama suggested it would be better if the police acted as guardians of the people than as warriors.

The U.S. Justice Department offers guidance, financing, and courses to advance Community Policing Techniques.

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While I agree that there would have to be a lot of things happen to make the Castile case justified the governer is an idiot. That is exactly the thing a person would say if you wanted a riot.



Riot you say? Dead police you say?

http://fox43.com/2016/07/07/multiple-officers-shot-at-black-lives-matter-protest-in-dallas/

DALLAS- Three to six police officers have been shot at a Dallas protest Thursday evening, according to KDFW.

Protesters and police alike took cover when witnesses reported hearing 50 or more rounds fired during a demonstration in response to recent deadly police shootings across the country.

Disturbing video shows what appears to be two officers and possibly several others lying in the street.

Police sources tell KDFW one suspect is down while a second possible suspect is in a downtown Dallas garage and wearing a bulletproof vest and tactical gear. Bystanders have been told to shelter in place, according to KTVT.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 8:39:24 PM   
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I just heard 10 Dallas police officer have been shot and two killed... in peaceful protests

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I just checked it out looks like 2 cops shot, 0 killed, but it very early, numbers may change.


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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 8:39:31 PM   
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Most cop killings are of white people.

Caucasians outnumber blacks by 6:1 maybe that is why there is a difference in the numbers?

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 8:42:20 PM   
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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 8:46:48 PM   
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I hope your news service is better than mine.

Butch

Me too, but it just happened about an hour ago so the odds of any news source getting a completly accurate story are slim and none.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 8:48:16 PM   
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Me too, but it just happened about an hour ago so the odds of any news source getting a completly accurate are slim and none.


So there was no shooting and there are no dead cops?

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 8:49:14 PM   
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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 8:52:08 PM   
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Dallas news is saying 10 shot 3 dead

Getting worse, and they are closest to the story.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 8:55:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nearly midnight here in Florida . . . 11 officers shot, 3 dead, 2 in surgery, 3 critical, shooting is still going on. Maybe two shooters or more???? Tragic.

Eleventh shot in gun fire exchange with one of the shooters. Shooter suspect picture on TV.

Also a bomb threat per police chief press conf.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 8:59:57 PM   
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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 9:04:17 PM   
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Dallas reporting 4 dead now


Negotiating with one of the shooters on going.

A peaceful, friendly demonstration of 800 people assisted by 100 police officers.

Gnite . . .

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 9:13:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is why people in the US will always feel the need for guns, to protect themselves from the police.
There is no trust.


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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 9:36:29 PM   
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Oh yes, so the victims were armed and neither had drawn their weapon. What does that say about the effectiveness of carrying a firearm for self-defense reasons?
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Generally speaking one does not draw their firearm on a cop.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 9:42:07 PM   
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Nearly midnight here in Florida . . . 11 officers shot, 3 dead, 2 in surgery, 3 critical, shooting is still going on. Maybe two shooters or more???? Tragic.

Eleventh shot in gun fire exchange with one of the shooters. Shooter suspect picture on TV.

Also a bomb threat per police chief press conf.

The governor of MN was asking for this.
Maybe he was just to stupid to realize it.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 9:45:18 PM   
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This is why people in the US will always feel the need for guns, to protect themselves from the police.
There is no trust.



Do you understand that all of the dead, and most of the wounded are cops this is exactly the opposite of what you are saying. But this is why people need guns, the hate will move on to all white people.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 9:47:30 PM   
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Do you understand that all of the dead, and most of the wounded are cops this is exactly the opposite of what you are saying. But this is why people need guns, the hate will move on to all white people.

They are shooting the police because they believe the police is the enemy. That's my point.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 9:59:42 PM   
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Do you understand that all of the dead, and most of the wounded are cops this is exactly the opposite of what you are saying. But this is why people need guns, the hate will move on to all white people.

They are shooting the police because they believe the police is the enemy. That's my point.


They have always considered the police the enemy.
I grew up in a police family, and we were contantly harrased because of it.
They want to do anything and kill any cop who gets in the way.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/7/2016 10:00:16 PM   
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Some Facts I skim from this article.

965 people were fatally shot by police in 2015.

564 armed with guns

281 armed with other weapons

90 were unarmed

White police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings

Great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt.

Black men make up only 6 percent of the U.S. population, they account for 40 percent of the unarmed men shot to death by police

Majority of cases in which police shot and killed a person who had attacked someone with a weapon or brandished a gun, the person who was shot was white

A hugely disproportionate number — 3 in 5 — of those killed after exhibiting less threatening behavior were black or Hispanic.

Looking at the stats, the police force is still doing okay. Only 90 unarmed people killed last year! That's pretty good! For a nation with hundreds of millions of people. And only 36 black unarmed male shot dead in 2015. That's not an epidemic! Considering 54 unarmed white males were shot dead too in 2015.

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