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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 10:42:39 PM   
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Now in rural areas, it is a bit different, you can use deadly force if someone is trying to steal livestock, damage barns or outbuildings




I find this obscene too, the lack of value placed on human life by some people disgusts me



I agree, the value of human life is absurdly high.

We are after all talking about a species that (ignoring climate change) has so polluted the planet there are some rivers that spontaneously catch fire, we are averaging wiping out five species a year, minimum, and with all the environmental destruction we have inflicted on this planet, we are finding new and improved ways of killing each other for the same old bullshit reasons.

The human body is worth about $160 bucks for its mineral content, the average human materially driven ethically challenged life, about 97 cents at the current rate per bullet in large quantities, but then some wise people have opted to use trucks.

And yes I am being cynical, snarky and down right mean, but my truck is in the shop, FED EX lost the new distributor for my Kaiser jeep and I am out of smokes and coffee, and my niece who dropped off her laptop this afternoon saying "I will be back in an hour with your smokes and coffee" has yet to show up, she has evidently decided that she needed to go shopping for new jeans and a shirt.

I wonder how she is going to react when she discovers that everything on her computer is no longer in English?


maybe she didn't show up because she's realised her uncle is a fuckwit?

I'm not sure you're qualified to recognize a fuckwit without looking in the mirror. But, then, apparently being a weepy, whiny little shit you've probably been picked on a lot in your life and can really see them coming from a distance. Half a dozen of one, six of another.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 10:46:46 PM   
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As a result, I m insisting that they educate (or see that he is educated) him about safe and responsible ownership.


Gun safety should be a required course in high school (or Jr High)
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No.



Yes.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 10:50:31 PM   
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Now in rural areas, it is a bit different, you can use deadly force if someone is trying to steal livestock, damage barns or outbuildings




I find this obscene too, the lack of value placed on human life by some people disgusts me

Do you realize that they are destroying that farmers ability to make a living.
You clearly do not understand that by doing these things they are declaring that you are merely there serf, here to provide them with what ever they want with no choice but to keep producing to support them.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 10:50:40 PM   
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Well with a track record like that, it does kinda make you a fuckwit to rely on her for anything. Just sayin'

Lol, okay that's funny.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 10:53:49 PM   
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Gun safety should be a required course in high school (or Jr High)
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No.

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Well that settles it then.


Forcing kids in the 66% of households which don't and likely never will have a gun in the house to learn how to use one anyway might seem like a capital idea for some, I suppose.

Good luck getting their parents to feel the same way.

Leaning gun safety doesn't mean learning to use a gun, although it can. The NRA has a program to teach little kids gun safety and they don't give them a gun. It can be age appropriate. Since the 2nd amendment does exist and will likely to continue to do so for a while it's certainly a reasonable civics lesson. At least as good as putting a condom on a cucumber.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 10:55:32 PM   
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All those points have been dealt with.

Aw screw it, you people don't really do satire very well do you?

Satire is easier to detect when you're looking in someone's eye as they say it. It doesn't always come across digitally.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 11:40:09 PM   
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Wasn't satire some kind of philosopher ? Jean Paul or some name like that ?

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 11:49:31 PM   
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But you see, this is the legacy of an American 'tradition' This is the 'American culture' where the 2nd amend. is the enabler.

I have a right to own guns.

I have a right to defend my home.

I have a right to call the police.

I have a right to shoot to kill and even before the police arrive.

Another attempt to trash all gun owners because one person screwed up.
And other than me not one word about underage drinking which set the situation up.

Not true. I brought it up in my post that you responded to. I said they were irresponsible for drinking. But that doesn't equal a death sentence.

Sorry, I missed that. I apologize. And again I have stated two or three times that none of this gives the home owner a pass.
We have two serious problems independant of each other. Underage drinking leads to a lot of deaths. And this guy screwed up big time. Neither is negated in any way by the other. The kid would be alive if he hadn't been drunk. The kid would be alive if the homeowner hadn't screwed up.

Oh yeah, there is all kinds if whatthefuckery going on in this tragedy. And whoever gave those kids the alcohol should face charges as well.

But as someone who believes in the second amendment, I also believe that anyone with a gun should be held to a higher standard, simply because consequences of gun "abuse", if you will, frequently outweigh consequences of other abuses, such as alcohol abuse.

Yes Lovell panicked, which anyone is capable of doing. But panicking while holding a baseball bat as a weapon is less potential for tragedy them panicking while holding a gun. It's literally the difference between life and death.



You know the same can be said if the kids were the ones holding the bat or driving a car while intoxicated, i hear alot of peeps here saying they would be alive if they werent drinking, i also hear alot of people saying that its due to the owner panicking , what i dont see anyone stating is that they were there in petson and know for a solid fact that the gun owner did not make clear and consise contact with the teens prior to them being shot that he made them.aware that he dif in fact have a gun,, nor do i see anyone stating the teens heard him anf infact proceeded to enter even though he stated he had a gun, nor do i see any evidence that the teens were fine up standing kids prior to being drunk, nor do i see anyone talking about hoe the parents are going to move past their loss or the fact that the gun owner now has to live with the knowledge that he took 2 lives

Nowbas far as im concerned you can sit around and pass judgement all day long, but until you've been in his shoes or theirs for that matter dont presume to pass judgement because im pretty sure some of youe would do the same if the situations were presented to you in a similar manner

I can tell you from expierence from my streets we have had street gangs that drive down the main drags with their lights off at night time and those unlucky motorists that flash their headlinghts as common curteousy to let them know, have been physically run off the road or shot at for doing so, one gal lost her life to a 13 year old that was associated with the 503 gang here she had her 7 month old in the back seat the husband ran him down and is now serving 20 years in the state pen for vehicular manslaughter, the kid got 6 months of juvinile and 18 months community service, the doaughter is now an award to the state,

We have had kids that get their kicks by breaking into homes and moving the furniture around "while you are asleep in your home" some have been caught, they video tape their actions and diaperse them around the local campuses here, my next door neighbor when i was 28 im 45 now he was burgled while he had his family in from alaska , the assailent was 17 along with his22 year old brother, the 22 year old raped the 9 year old daughter 3 times that night and slit her throat ear to ear the 17 year old held her down, 6 were found dead in the house 1 made it out when the police arrived they found the 22 year old had taken his life the 17 year old is spending his days in a mental institution

But what i do see is a bunch of yokals who were not there at the incident i can tell you this much someone comes screaming hollering or.in any other form of trying to get into my house while.there better have thier life insurance paid up and are ready to meet their maker eye to eye cause they aint leaving my house breathing

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 11:58:58 PM   
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Wasn't satire some kind of philosopher ? Jean Paul or some name like that ?

No he was a mythical horny monster.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/19/2016 12:03:39 AM   
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sounds like some of the blokes at the local pub

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/19/2016 12:30:43 AM   
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sounds like some of the blokes at the local pub

Yea, except they aren't mystical but their prowess is.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/19/2016 7:01:42 AM   
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Teenage gunned down through a closed door in broad daylight

Is there no end to gun killings in America?


Has he sent you a document laying out his views on the 2nd?
How about the fact that two 15 year olds were DRUNK? If they weren't drunk this wouldn't have happened would it? The root cause here isn't the 2nd, or the fact that it sure looks like the homeowner paniced it is that 2 minors got drunk and by extension stupid.

Bama! From the article I posted:

Lovell is a gun enthusiast whose Facebook page prominently features a picture of him aiming a gun, according to MassLive. Several posts reflected enthusiastic support for the Second Amendment, the website reported.

Did it have him talking longingly about the option of shooting someone?
And why do you want to paint all gun owners with a situation that the progun people agree was a screw up.
Only the self avowed communist is ok with the shooting.

If one gun owner can screw up who is to say others will not or cannot? The gun feels mighty powerful in a man's hands. Transforms a man into a delusional hero.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/19/2016 7:14:09 AM   
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Teenage gunned down through a closed door in broad daylight

Is there no end to gun killings in America?


Yup, lets just do away with the 2nd Amendment altogether. Only good things will happen! RAINBOWS AND UNICORNS FOR EVERYONE!

1. the 13 colonies will never be free of England.
2. slaves will never be emancipated.
3. women will never have the vote
4. man will never walk on the moon
5. a black man will never be president of the United States

Maybe not rainbows and unicorns for everyone . . . . but less gun deaths for starters.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/19/2016 9:20:39 AM   
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Now in rural areas, it is a bit different, you can use deadly force if someone is trying to steal livestock, damage barns or outbuildings




I find this obscene too, the lack of value placed on human life by some people disgusts me
I find your inability to discern that there's value OF life in the hard work involved to obtain and maintain that property disturbing as is your lack of upset at the disrespect shown by the thieves/vandals involved in theft/destruction of property.

Is it worth their life? No...probably not though philosophically, one could argue about the value of a life that has no respect for what belongs to someone else. But one could also argue why the thieves/vandals don't ask that of themselves...after all, it is THEIR life they might lose...before they start the thievery/vandalism in the first place.

"But...just turn it in to insurance". Yep...and watch your premium rise again.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/19/2016 9:25:13 AM   
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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/19/2016 9:29:03 AM   
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But you see, this is the legacy of an American 'tradition' This is the 'American culture' where the 2nd amend. is the enabler.

I have a right to own guns.

I have a right to defend my home.

I have a right to call the police.

I have a right to shoot to kill and even before the police arrive.

Another attempt to trash all gun owners because one person screwed up.
And other than me not one word about underage drinking which set the situation up.

Not true. I brought it up in my post that you responded to. I said they were irresponsible for drinking. But that doesn't equal a death sentence.

Sorry, I missed that. I apologize. And again I have stated two or three times that none of this gives the home owner a pass.
We have two serious problems independant of each other. Underage drinking leads to a lot of deaths. And this guy screwed up big time. Neither is negated in any way by the other. ** The kid would be alive if he hadn't been drunk.** The kid would be alive if the homeowner hadn't screwed up.


I disagree, Kids do stupid shit, like knocking on doors when they are not drinking just for kicks, not to mention adults that mistakenly knock on the wrong door. This kid is dead because of this homeowner's pure unadulterated stupidly.
And it's what? Homeowners' jobs to understand and coddle stupid shit from kids whose parents can't be responsible for teaching their spawn respect? I wasn't an angel but I had better ways to blow off steam than running around knocking on people's doors...breaking their glass.

This gun owner made a mistake for damn sure...but so did the kids.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/19/2016 12:06:00 PM   
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But you see, this is the legacy of an American 'tradition' This is the 'American culture' where the 2nd amend. is the enabler.

I have a right to own guns.

I have a right to defend my home.

I have a right to call the police.

I have a right to shoot to kill and even before the police arrive.

Another attempt to trash all gun owners because one person screwed up.
And other than me not one word about underage drinking which set the situation up.

Not true. I brought it up in my post that you responded to. I said they were irresponsible for drinking. But that doesn't equal a death sentence.

Sorry, I missed that. I apologize. And again I have stated two or three times that none of this gives the home owner a pass.
We have two serious problems independant of each other. Underage drinking leads to a lot of deaths. And this guy screwed up big time. Neither is negated in any way by the other. ** The kid would be alive if he hadn't been drunk.** The kid would be alive if the homeowner hadn't screwed up.


I disagree, Kids do stupid shit, like knocking on doors when they are not drinking just for kicks, not to mention adults that mistakenly knock on the wrong door. This kid is dead because of this homeowner's pure unadulterated stupidly.
And it's what? Homeowners' jobs to understand and coddle stupid shit from kids whose parents can't be responsible for teaching their spawn respect? I wasn't an angel but I had better ways to blow off steam than running around knocking on people's doors...breaking their glass.

This gun owner made a mistake for damn sure...but so did the kids.



The homeowner is an adult with a gun, it's his responsibly to understand the law, threat assessment and act accordingly .
I don't believe in coddling kids or adults when it comes to disrespect, but don't see the need to shoot them for it.

I have had kids knock on my door and did not find it amusing in the least, it was an nuisance. They posed no threat,
so nothing more than a verbal reprimand was warranted and they didn't do it again. If their parents are so irresponsible
that they don't teach them respect, it's not the kid's fault they are idiots. So someone needs to man up and correct their
behavior hopefully they will learn from it or give them something to think about the next time.

In this case, the homeowner was safe in his house, the police were on the way, there was no need for deadly force.
I'm truly bewilder that some are such wuss's they can't handle a minor confrontation or any confrontation with pertinence.

Note: You cannot fix stupidity, there is no cure, while some would like to eradicate it form this world it's not an executable offense.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/19/2016 1:06:13 PM   
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Teenage gunned down through a closed door in broad daylight

Is there no end to gun killings in America?


Has he sent you a document laying out his views on the 2nd?
How about the fact that two 15 year olds were DRUNK? If they weren't drunk this wouldn't have happened would it? The root cause here isn't the 2nd, or the fact that it sure looks like the homeowner paniced it is that 2 minors got drunk and by extension stupid.

Bama! From the article I posted:

Lovell is a gun enthusiast whose Facebook page prominently features a picture of him aiming a gun, according to MassLive. Several posts reflected enthusiastic support for the Second Amendment, the website reported.

Did it have him talking longingly about the option of shooting someone?
And why do you want to paint all gun owners with a situation that the progun people agree was a screw up.
Only the self avowed communist is ok with the shooting.

If one gun owner can screw up who is to say others will not or cannot? The gun feels mighty powerful in a man's hands. Transforms a man into a delusional hero.

Really, I'd like to see either a link or know your credentials for making that statement. Having been around groups of people with guns a lot, for a large portion of my life, my experience has been the opposite. It's just like working in a machine shop with lots of people operating lots of potentially very damaging machines. People tend to feel the weight and responsibility of it and take special care. I'd like to know your stats or experience with this that shows my, literally, thousands of experiences as the exception to your rule.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/19/2016 1:46:08 PM   
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But you see, this is the legacy of an American 'tradition' This is the 'American culture' where the 2nd amend. is the enabler.

I have a right to own guns.

I have a right to defend my home.

I have a right to call the police.

I have a right to shoot to kill and even before the police arrive.

Another attempt to trash all gun owners because one person screwed up.
And other than me not one word about underage drinking which set the situation up.

Not true. I brought it up in my post that you responded to. I said they were irresponsible for drinking. But that doesn't equal a death sentence.

Sorry, I missed that. I apologize. And again I have stated two or three times that none of this gives the home owner a pass.
We have two serious problems independant of each other. Underage drinking leads to a lot of deaths. And this guy screwed up big time. Neither is negated in any way by the other. ** The kid would be alive if he hadn't been drunk.** The kid would be alive if the homeowner hadn't screwed up.


I disagree, Kids do stupid shit, like knocking on doors when they are not drinking just for kicks, not to mention adults that mistakenly knock on the wrong door. This kid is dead because of this homeowner's pure unadulterated stupidly.
And it's what? Homeowners' jobs to understand and coddle stupid shit from kids whose parents can't be responsible for teaching their spawn respect? I wasn't an angel but I had better ways to blow off steam than running around knocking on people's doors...breaking their glass.

This gun owner made a mistake for damn sure...but so did the kids.



The homeowner is an adult with a gun, it's his responsibly to understand the law, threat assessment and act accordingly .
I don't believe in coddling kids or adults when it comes to disrespect, but don't see the need to shoot them for it.

I have had kids knock on my door and did not find it amusing in the least, it was an nuisance. They posed no threat,
so nothing more than a verbal reprimand was warranted and they didn't do it again. If their parents are so irresponsible
that they don't teach them respect, it's not the kid's fault they are idiots. So someone needs to man up and correct their
behavior hopefully they will learn from it or give them something to think about the next time.

In this case, the homeowner was safe in his house, the police were on the way, there was no need for deadly force.
I'm truly bewilder that some are such wuss's they can't handle a minor confrontation or any confrontation with pertinence.

Note: You cannot fix stupidity, there is no cure, while some would like to eradicate it form this world it's not an executable offense.
Yes...he's an adult with a gun. He has responsibilities both as an adult and as a gun owner. Did he screw up on those responsibilities? He did...as I noted earlier.

But who screwed up first? The 15 Year old. Getting drunk (illegal), mistaking his location (not illegal but certainly helped along by the illegally consumed substance), harassing the owner of the property when he'd been asked to leave (illegal), damaging the property of the homeowner (illegal).

Did his mistakes make him eligible to die? No. Do his actions and choices make him at least partially responsible for his death? Yes. If we can hold 15 Year olds responsible for causing death when a weapon is in their hands, we can certainly make them at least partially responsible when their actions lead them to their own deaths, even when that death comes at the hands of someone who should have chosen a more responsible path.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/19/2016 1:58:17 PM   
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But you see, this is the legacy of an American 'tradition' This is the 'American culture' where the 2nd amend. is the enabler.

I have a right to own guns.

I have a right to defend my home.

I have a right to call the police.

I have a right to shoot to kill and even before the police arrive.

Another attempt to trash all gun owners because one person screwed up.
And other than me not one word about underage drinking which set the situation up.

Not true. I brought it up in my post that you responded to. I said they were irresponsible for drinking. But that doesn't equal a death sentence.

Sorry, I missed that. I apologize. And again I have stated two or three times that none of this gives the home owner a pass.
We have two serious problems independant of each other. Underage drinking leads to a lot of deaths. And this guy screwed up big time. Neither is negated in any way by the other. ** The kid would be alive if he hadn't been drunk.** The kid would be alive if the homeowner hadn't screwed up.


I disagree, Kids do stupid shit, like knocking on doors when they are not drinking just for kicks, not to mention adults that mistakenly knock on the wrong door. This kid is dead because of this homeowner's pure unadulterated stupidly.
And it's what? Homeowners' jobs to understand and coddle stupid shit from kids whose parents can't be responsible for teaching their spawn respect? I wasn't an angel but I had better ways to blow off steam than running around knocking on people's doors...breaking their glass.

This gun owner made a mistake for damn sure...but so did the kids.



The homeowner is an adult with a gun, it's his responsibly to understand the law, threat assessment and act accordingly .
I don't believe in coddling kids or adults when it comes to disrespect, but don't see the need to shoot them for it.

I have had kids knock on my door and did not find it amusing in the least, it was an nuisance. They posed no threat,
so nothing more than a verbal reprimand was warranted and they didn't do it again. If their parents are so irresponsible
that they don't teach them respect, it's not the kid's fault they are idiots. So someone needs to man up and correct their
behavior hopefully they will learn from it or give them something to think about the next time.

In this case, the homeowner was safe in his house, the police were on the way, there was no need for deadly force.
I'm truly bewilder that some are such wuss's they can't handle a minor confrontation or any confrontation with pertinence.

Note: You cannot fix stupidity, there is no cure, while some would like to eradicate it form this world it's not an executable offense.
Yes...he's an adult with a gun. He has responsibilities both as an adult and as a gun owner. Did he screw up on those responsibilities? He did...as I noted earlier.

But who screwed up first? The 15 Year old. Getting drunk (illegal), mistaking his location (not illegal but certainly helped along by the illegally consumed substance), harassing the owner of the property when he'd been asked to leave (illegal), damaging the property of the homeowner (illegal).

Did his mistakes make him eligible to die? No. Do his actions and choices make him at least partially responsible for his death? Yes. If we can hold 15 Year olds responsible for causing death when a weapon is in their hands, we can certainly make them at least partially responsible when their actions lead them to their own deaths, even when that death comes at the hands of someone who should have chosen a more responsible path.


A kid is dead.
No parent should never have to live longer than their kid.

In a country with hundreds of millions of guns and millions of gun owners, this is a statistical nothing. Yet the news media wants to push a political agenda.

Which in no way negates the tragic reality that a kid is dead and a parent has to bury a kid. Let the law handle it from there based on facts. A person that owns a gun should stand up and take responsibility. All people in society live with a social covenant. We don't know the facts of who was more egregious. There will be a discovery process. Let that happen, hopefully justly.

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