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AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2ND A... - 7/18/2016 12:05:09 PM   
vincentML


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Is there no end to gun killings in America?

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 12:06:57 PM   
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Is there no end to gun killings in America?

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 12:23:12 PM   
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Teenage gunned down through a closed door in broad daylight

Is there no end to gun killings in America?



Until someone comes up with a test to keep idiots from being able to buy one, probably not.

From the perspective of a gun owner, here are the mistakes made by the home owner.

1) he fired through a closed door without identifying his target.
2) He fired through a closed door without identifying his target after he had already called the police.
3) He fired through a closed door period.


Most states have what is known as "Castle Law" based on old English law that basically means you can defend your home and property from intruders with clear hostile intent.

Now, this means that if the intruder is INSIDE your home with the intent to do you harm, you can blow their shit away and keep firing as long as they are twitching more or less.

As long as the would be danger is outside your home, you wait for cops to show up.

Now in rural areas, it is a bit different, you can use deadly force if someone is trying to steal livestock, damage barns or outbuildings, but it is generally preferred that you try and at least attempt to detain them.

Of course you can just load a 12 gauge with rock salt and let fly with that if you really dont want to bother with detaining or dealing with the paper work of killing someone. (you can also add flakes of hot pepper to the mix for an added burn.)

To continue, in many western states, it is perfectly legal to shoot someone cutting fences.



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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 12:37:43 PM   
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Teenage gunned down through a closed door in broad daylight

Is there no end to gun killings in America?

Since most of the gun killings happen in areas that have been governed by liberals for the last 60 years I do see it happening until all of the old socialist die off.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 12:39:30 PM   
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Teenage gunned down through a closed door in broad daylight

Is there no end to gun killings in America?



Until someone comes up with a test to keep idiots from being able to buy one, probably not.

From the perspective of a gun owner, here are the mistakes made by the home owner.

1) he fired through a closed door without identifying his target.
2) He fired through a closed door without identifying his target after he had already called the police.
3) He fired through a closed door period.


Most states have what is known as "Castle Law" based on old English law that basically means you can defend your home and property from intruders with clear hostile intent.

Now, this means that if the intruder is INSIDE your home with the intent to do you harm, you can blow their shit away and keep firing as long as they are twitching more or less.

As long as the would be danger is outside your home, you wait for cops to show up.

Now in rural areas, it is a bit different, you can use deadly force if someone is trying to steal livestock, damage barns or outbuildings, but it is generally preferred that you try and at least attempt to detain them.

Of course you can just load a 12 gauge with rock salt and let fly with that if you really dont want to bother with detaining or dealing with the paper work of killing someone. (you can also add flakes of hot pepper to the mix for an added burn.)

To continue, in many western states, it is perfectly legal to shoot someone cutting fences.



In Alabama Castle law extends to your property line, stand your ground takes over there. Of course there has to be some threat. Like trying to steal your car, or a threat of harm to you.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 12:57:41 PM   
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Teenage gunned down through a closed door in broad daylight

Is there no end to gun killings in America?



Until someone comes up with a test to keep idiots from being able to buy one, probably not.

From the perspective of a gun owner, here are the mistakes made by the home owner.

1) he fired through a closed door without identifying his target.
2) He fired through a closed door without identifying his target after he had already called the police.
3) He fired through a closed door period.


Most states have what is known as "Castle Law" based on old English law that basically means you can defend your home and property from intruders with clear hostile intent.

Now, this means that if the intruder is INSIDE your home with the intent to do you harm, you can blow their shit away and keep firing as long as they are twitching more or less.

As long as the would be danger is outside your home, you wait for cops to show up.

Now in rural areas, it is a bit different, you can use deadly force if someone is trying to steal livestock, damage barns or outbuildings, but it is generally preferred that you try and at least attempt to detain them.

Of course you can just load a 12 gauge with rock salt and let fly with that if you really dont want to bother with detaining or dealing with the paper work of killing someone. (you can also add flakes of hot pepper to the mix for an added burn.)

To continue, in many western states, it is perfectly legal to shoot someone cutting fences.



In Alabama Castle law extends to your property line, stand your ground takes over there. Of course there has to be some threat. Like trying to steal your car, or a threat of harm to you.



Well the property that I have the place that I am renovating I have incorporated some biological anti trespassing systems. Along the fence that runs along the county road, on the county side of the fence there is about a 9 foot wide stretch of prickly pear, choya, and other cactus that the county seems content to leave alone, broken only by the driveway.

I have allowed cactus to grow along the other fences to the property as well, thus limiting access to the drive way, which when I move, is going to have some electronics along that.

Then of course they would have to know just where the goods are. There are two sets of building on the property, one is an old Nike SAM site, with semi underground control center and missile storage, the other is an adobe ranch house and barns that date back to 1850.

Both are being renovated. While the adobe is easier to add all the modern luxuries, the old Nike site is easier to keep people out of, I mean four foot thick concrete walls and roof, which is to say I dont have to worry unless I piss off the government.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 1:00:29 PM   
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Teenage gunned down through a closed door in broad daylight

Is there no end to gun killings in America?

Since most of the gun killings happen in areas that have been governed by liberals for the last 60 years I do see it happening until all of the old socialist die off.


Dallas and NO are liberal bastions are they? FL, OK, VA, TX, all nutsucker hardcore felching covens.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 1:07:26 PM   
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“When a pane of glass broke, the suspect fired a single shot, striking the victim,” according to the statement from the Hampden DA’s office.


The teenagers were attempting to break into the house, and the homeowner had attempted to communicate with them about their intent.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 1:09:43 PM   
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“When a pane of glass broke, the suspect fired a single shot, striking the victim,” according to the statement from the Hampden DA’s office.


The teenagers were attempting to break into the house, and the homeowner had attempted to communicate with them about their intent.

And the details, as always start to change the picture.
You notice that as details come out it rarely makes the homeowner, ccw holder, or cop look worse?

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 1:11:23 PM   
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Teenage gunned down through a closed door in broad daylight

Is there no end to gun killings in America?

It's a tragedy in more ways than one. Drunk teenagers? So drunk they don't even know where they are? And then, from your link:

Lovell initially tried to communicate with the teenager knocking on his door, prosecutors said. But then he snapped. “When a pane of glass broke, the suspect fired a single shot, striking the victim,” according to the statement from the Hampden DA’s office.

It's not difficult to imagine what he might have thought was happening. Not that I think that justifies him firing through the door, but he was only following the advice of our current administration's Vice President...

Vice President Joe Biden told Field & Stream magazine in an interview published Monday, "[if] you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door." ~Source

Now I admit, of course, that it wasn't a shotgun. Would that have been okay?

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 1:29:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		They were not trying to break in. They were banging on the door thinking it was a friend's house. Apparently banging loudly. They were a couple of drunk 15 year old kids. But every report says they were banging on the door, not trying to break in. The homeowner had already called the police. He was safely inside his home, in broad daylight, and he had LOTS of other options rather than killing a 15 year old kid.

I am pro 2nd Amendment, but it is cases like this that give gun control advocates ammunition, so to speak. And it is people who defend these types of outrages that make reasonable people reconsider whether or not this right belongs in modern society.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 1:36:10 PM   
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They were not trying to break in. They were banging on the door thinking it was a friend's house. Apparently banging loudly. They were a couple of drunk 15 year old kids. But every report says they were banging on the door, not trying to break in. The homeowner had already called the police. He was safely inside his home, in broad daylight, and he had LOTS of other options rather than killing a 15 year old kid.

I am pro 2nd Amendment, but it is cases like this that give gun control advocates ammunition, so to speak. And it is people who defend these types of outrages that make reasonable people reconsider whether or not this right belongs in modern society.

Not saying he was right but how could the home owner know they weren't trying to break in?

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 1:42:03 PM   
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But every report says they were banging on the door, not trying to break in.


So the assumption is that the breaking of the pane of glass was accidental? Possibly. I agree that the homeowner overreacted, and given the few details we do know, I would not have reacted in the same manner. However, repeating that they were children as if it gives them some special protection in the situation is specious, and the details are few. Fifteen year-old males kill and burgle every day, and many have the physical strength of an adult. What is does do is make the tragedy that much more so. The homeowner was in a situation and made a call. He, and the family and friends of the deceased, will now pay for it.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 1:46:41 PM   
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Teenage gunned down through a closed door in broad daylight

Is there no end to gun killings in America?

Is there no end to gun (or any other type of) killings in any country?

We are an uberagressive, territorial primate.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 2:31:10 PM   
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Teenage gunned down through a closed door in broad daylight

Is there no end to gun killings in America?

Since most of the gun killings happen in areas that have been governed by liberals for the last 60 years I do see it happening until all of the old socialist die off.

Let's not wait until they die off. We'll ask them if they believe in Sharia Law . . oh no, wait! Wrong, old socialists. Let's ask them if they ever took a piss standing next to Karl Marx. A yes answer, we take away their muskets and their Pepsi bottle Molotov cocktails . Problem solved!

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 3:06:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I personally have survived 2 home invasions at gunpoint. In once instance I had 4 kids in the house. In neither did the cops/DA prosecute anyone. (I think one was because I was military during the Nam War - They recovered the gun in that one). Both in Cali. If they are on the outside of the door, you don't shoot. Never know who is out there. Once inside, either thru the door or a window, that is a different story. Now they are a real threat. And my outside dog is useless because he just wants to play with them. My inside dogs are my warning system. They are ankle biters lol.

I understand the fear factor involved. I don't understand shooting thru a door. Be ready, yes. I have been shot at and it is no fun. I don't want to put anyone thru that. At the same time, preparedness is understandable. That is why they call it responsible gun ownership. I can't hunt any longer. I don't have a full tracked wheelchair (does anyone know where I can get one?). I do go to the range to shoot at engineer stakes to keep my profeciency up. I also practice the old Army Quick Kill training (https://www.amazon.com/Principles-Quick-Kill-Instinct-accurately/dp/1493725688) Keeps habits honed. And BB Gun ammo is cheap.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 3:10:25 PM   
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Teenage gunned down through a closed door in broad daylight

Is there no end to gun killings in America?

Since most of the gun killings happen in areas that have been governed by liberals for the last 60 years I do see it happening until all of the old socialist die off.


Dallas and NO are liberal bastions are they? FL, OK, VA, TX, all nutsucker hardcore felching covens.

You're being an idiot again. Where do most of the shootings happen in this country, not just the last few weeks?

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 3:15:14 PM   
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Teenage gunned down through a closed door in broad daylight

Is there no end to gun killings in America?


Has he sent you a document laying out his views on the 2nd?
How about the fact that two 15 year olds were DRUNK? If they weren't drunk this wouldn't have happened would it? The root cause here isn't the 2nd, or the fact that it sure looks like the homeowner paniced it is that 2 minors got drunk and by extension stupid.

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 3:16:11 PM   
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Teenage gunned down through a closed door in broad daylight

Is there no end to gun killings in America?


Yup, lets just do away with the 2nd Amendment altogether. Only good things will happen! RAINBOWS AND UNICORNS FOR EVERYONE!

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RE: AW SHIT, ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING BY A WIDE-EYED 2... - 7/18/2016 3:19:10 PM   
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I personally have survived 2 home invasions at gunpoint. In once instance I had 4 kids in the house. In neither did the cops/DA prosecute anyone. (I think one was because I was military during the Nam War - They recovered the gun in that one). Both in Cali. If they are on the outside of the door, you don't shoot. Never know who is out there. Once inside, either thru the door or a window, that is a different story. Now they are a real threat. And my outside dog is useless because he just wants to play with them. My inside dogs are my warning system. They are ankle biters lol.

I understand the fear factor involved. I don't understand shooting thru a door. Be ready, yes. I have been shot at and it is no fun. I don't want to put anyone thru that. At the same time, preparedness is understandable. That is why they call it responsible gun ownership. I can't hunt any longer. I don't have a full tracked wheelchair (does anyone know where I can get one?). I do go to the range to shoot at engineer stakes to keep my profeciency up. I also practice the old Army Quick Kill training (https://www.amazon.com/Principles-Quick-Kill-Instinct-accurately/dp/1493725688) Keeps habits honed. And BB Gun ammo is cheap.

They've recently been coming out with some electric stuff for the woods. It's quiet. You may want to google that and see if there is any thing you could use. As I recall the prices were high, but I think competition will eventually bring them down.

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