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Lucylastic -> RE: Voter laws (7/30/2016 9:39:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: klmpong Its a forgone conclusion the dems are void of common sense or reasoning skills. They will justify all their obvious ploys. They think that all are as stupid as they are. the retarded nutsuckers slobber again!!!!! sounds like a runt cousin of the dawg

Marini -> RE: Voter laws (7/30/2016 9:59:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I seriously was reading this and I cannot understand a single thing that is going on. How can you possibly vote without an ID? That concept is alien! Over here, there is a list of your identity numbers, and you gotta show your ID and they tick you off and verify against their list, before you are allowed to step into the voting booth to vote. I mean, how else can you stop non-citizens from voting? Does this mean, then, even a tourist like me can just happily go vote in the US? Since there is no verification? Because I think it's definitely a national security issue to have a system in place to prevent non-citizens to control who your government is. lol Greta, get to Mexico, walk through to the US, we open our borders to pretty much anyone that walks in through Mexico, I thought you knew. Once you get here, you can get the following: immediate medical care, a free public education until 18 {maybe soon community college}, means-tested welfare benefits {cash, food, housing, Medicaid, food stamps, temporary assistance for needy families and other services},population based services {police, fire, highways, parks, etc}. In 12 states and in D.C. , undocumented immigrants can get drivers licenses. Many officials are working very hard to grant voting rights to illegal immigrants. It probably won't be long now. For the record, if the Democrats win this election, it will more than likely be "game over" for Republicans. Republicans won't have a chance in hell for years and years, at best. Question is, can a 3rd party ever take the Democrats? California is trying to beat NY in passing legislation to allow undocumented workers to vote. LA Times - CA gives immigrants here illegally unprecedented rights Those here in CA, will probably be the first able to vote.

Awareness -> RE: Voter laws (7/30/2016 10:50:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: markyugen Do you pro-voter ID people even TRY to educate yourselves as to why it is such a pernicious idea? Why do you think it's such a bad idea to make those that voters are actually legally allowed to vote? Voter ID (of some sort) is a good idea - unless you have something to hide. No. Voter ID is a deliberate attempt to disenfranchise those at the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum who almost invariably vote Democrat. Homeless people and poor people often don't have acceptable forms of ID. It is a corrupt Republican practice designed to enable electoral fraud.

Awareness -> RE: Voter laws (7/30/2016 10:53:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini lol Greta, get to Mexico, walk through to the US, we open our borders to pretty much anyone that walks in through Mexico, I thought you knew. Once you get here, you can get the following: immediate medical care, a free public education until 18 {maybe soon community college}, means-tested welfare benefits {cash, food, housing, Medicaid, food stamps, temporary assistance for needy families and other services},population based services {police, fire, highways, parks, etc}. In 12 states and in D.C. , undocumented immigrants can get drivers licenses. Who cares. The amount of money consumed by these people is a drop in the bucket compared to the Bush Era tax cuts for the wealthy (3.5 trillion dollars plus and counting) and the corporate welfare doled out to companies such as Apple who pay no tax to the US government whatsoever. Poor people and Mexicans aren't dragging this country down and sucking money out of the public purse. That's being done by corporations and rich people. Focus on the problem, not the scapegoat.

Marini -> RE: Voter laws (7/30/2016 11:07:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: markyugen Do you pro-voter ID people even TRY to educate yourselves as to why it is such a pernicious idea? Why do you think it's such a bad idea to make those that voters are actually legally allowed to vote? Voter ID (of some sort) is a good idea - unless you have something to hide. No. Voter ID is a deliberate attempt to disenfranchise those at the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum who almost invariably vote Democrat. Homeless people and poor people often don't have acceptable forms of ID. It is a corrupt Republican practice designed to enable electoral fraud. I agree with you, voter ID does target poor, homeless, often Black people etc. How do you distinguish without Voter ID who is here legally or not, or even eligible to vote? I agree you should not have to have a drivers license.

Marini -> RE: Voter laws (7/30/2016 11:22:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: Marini lol Greta, get to Mexico, walk through to the US, we open our borders to pretty much anyone that walks in through Mexico, I thought you knew. Once you get here, you can get the following: immediate medical care, a free public education until 18 {maybe soon community college}, means-tested welfare benefits {cash, food, housing, Medicaid, food stamps, temporary assistance for needy families and other services},population based services {police, fire, highways, parks, etc}. In 12 states and in D.C. , undocumented immigrants can get drivers licenses. Who cares. The amount of money consumed by these people is a drop in the bucket compared to the Bush Era tax cuts for the wealthy (3.5 trillion dollars plus and counting) and the corporate welfare doled out to companies such as Apple who pay no tax to the US government whatsoever. Poor people and Mexicans aren't dragging this country down and sucking money out of the public purse. That's being done by corporations and rich people. Focus on the problem, not the scapegoat. I have no issue with what you said, and I think we agree on who runs this country and the world. I went WAY off topic, and wasn't able to fully edit my comments. We seem to agree on who runs and controls this country. What we are doing now in this country is unsustainable , and I can accept that. This country will continue to thrive on corporate capitalism and globalization. We can look forward to growing numbers of disenfranchised, marginalized groups of society fighting for the few jobs and opportunities at the bottom. Because until this country turns completely around, welcome to the ever growing divide of the halves and have nots. Until the system changes, those in the middle and lower class will continue to fight over opportunities, housing, jobs and resources. At this point, the only thing that will stop this country is a revolution. I actually embrace the undocumented and illegal immigrants, because they will help propel us towards democratic socialism. Less jobs, less opportunites, middle class decimated, college students unable to find jobs, growing government programs, unending government support, I can't wait to see it all sort out. Government, government, government and more government [;)] Democratic socialism is our future!! The EVER growing and EVER increasing numbers of those at the bottom--> will be the future. Bernie Sanders was only the beginning, hardly the end. [;)] Capitalism could have worked, but it didn't. People are very, very, tired and a change will eventually come. Democratic socialism is what's coming to America.

bounty44 -> RE: Voter laws (7/30/2016 12:22:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: markyugen Do you pro-voter ID people even TRY to educate yourselves as to why it is such a pernicious idea? Why do you think it's such a bad idea to make those that voters are actually legally allowed to vote? Voter ID (of some sort) is a good idea - unless you have something to hide. No. Voter ID is a deliberate attempt to disenfranchise those at the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum who almost invariably vote Democrat. Homeless people and poor people often don't have acceptable forms of ID. It is a corrupt Republican practice designed to enable electoral fraud. I agree with you, voter ID does target poor, homeless, often Black people etc. How do you distinguish without Voter ID who is here legally or not, or even eligible to vote? I agree you should not have to have a drivers license. right, I see a bunch of RNC and congressional types sitting around saying "I know, lets make a voter ID necessary so that we can keep the poor and minorities from voting!" as opposed to "you know, since we've caught dead people, illegals, etc., voting, lets make sure we maintain the integrity of elections by assuring that only living, registered citizens vote." which seems the more likely?? that said, its utter BS to say something like people cannot afford an acceptable form of identification. and that whole leftist argument is blown out of the water when county/state governments will give the things out for FREE to people who qualify.

Lucylastic -> RE: Voter laws (7/30/2016 12:30:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 right, I see a bunch of RNC and congressional types sitting around saying "I know, lets make a voter ID necessary so that we can keep the poor and minorities from voting!" as opposed to "you know, since we've caught dead people, illegals, etc., voting, lets make sure we maintain the integrity of elections by assuring that only living, registered citizens vote." which seems the more likely?? that said, its utter BS to say something like people cannot afford an acceptable form of identification. and that whole leftist argument is blown out of the water when county/state governments will give the things out for FREE to people who qualify. I think you might need to read http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4934274 because some judges apparently disagree with you...

WickedsDesire -> RE: Voter laws (7/30/2016 12:37:29 PM)
I didn’t really understand it’s great when you do a wee summary to save me, an dpeople like me, reading up on America electoral system…and, sometimes my illness makes me tired beyond time itself. Scottish elections vote at 16 – should be this in all countries. If you can fight and die for your country you sure as hell should be able to vote drink have sex. UK elections 18 - hmm I do a postal vote, as I rarely leave my house The electoral commission thing just does 1-2 surveys a year to see who lives at what address so in essence you need a fixed abode - kinda - not sure where eg the homeless fit iinto this As for ID it’s not needed at our polling stations, and nor should it be needed. which minorities would it exclude? Surprised they don't iris scan you lot across the pond

ifmaz -> RE: Voter laws (7/30/2016 1:03:50 PM)
FR This was amusing, at least to me. [image]https://i.imgur.com/IuYxn7il.png[/image]

Wayward5oul -> RE: Voter laws (7/30/2016 1:42:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 right, I see a bunch of RNC and congressional types sitting around saying "I know, lets make a voter ID necessary so that we can keep the poor and minorities from voting!" as opposed to "you know, since we've caught dead people, illegals, etc., voting, lets make sure we maintain the integrity of elections by assuring that only living, registered citizens vote." which seems the more likely?? that said, its utter BS to say something like people cannot afford an acceptable form of identification. and that whole leftist argument is blown out of the water when county/state governments will give the things out for FREE to people who qualify. I think you might need to read http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4934274 because some judges apparently disagree with you... Honestly, this is something that I never really delved into. I am one of those people that wonder how voter fraud can be prevented, if some form of ID isn't shown. With that said, two things stuck out from reading the first link-I have yet to read the others. 1. I assumed that voter fraud must have been a big problem or there wouldn't have been such a stink being made over it. This article suggests that there are actually a minimal number of cases where it has actually happened. Worth taking a look into. 2. I was curious to see what the specific reasons the judges gave for striking down laws, was there something that definitely showed intent to discriminate with the law. How did they show that it was not simply an honest move to prevent fraud? What the article stated is DEFINITELY food for thought over this issue. From the first link (bolded mine): In particular, the court found that North Carolina lawmakers requested data on racial differences in voting behaviors in the state. "This data showed that African Americans disproportionately lacked the most common kind of photo ID, those issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV)," the judges wrote. So the legislators made it so that the only acceptable forms of voter identification were the ones disproportionately used by white people. "With race data in hand, the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans," the judges wrote. "The bill retained only the kinds of IDs that white North Carolinians were more likely to possess." The data also showed that black voters were more likely to make use of early voting — particularly the first seven days out of North Carolina's 17-day voting period. So lawmakers eliminated these seven days of voting. "After receipt of this racial data, the General Assembly amended the bill to eliminate the first week of early voting, shortening the total early voting period from seventeen to ten days," the court found. Most strikingly, the judges point to a "smoking gun" in North Carolina's justification for the law, proving discriminatory intent. The state argued in court that "counties with Sunday voting in 2014 were disproportionately black" and "disproportionately Democratic," and said it did away with Sunday voting as a result

Lucylastic -> RE: Voter laws (7/30/2016 1:54:10 PM)
Hey WS:) These are the links from the article regarding voter fraud, Im not claiming correct, or unbiased, just that I have them bookmarked for my next break. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2013/11/14/about-as-many-people-say-theyve-been-abducted-by-space-aliens-as-say-theyve-committed-voter-fraud/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/07/09/7-papers-4-government-inquiries-2-news-investigations-and-1-court-ruling-proving-voter-fraud-is-mostly-a-myth/

Wayward5oul -> RE: Voter laws (7/30/2016 1:59:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Hey WS:) These are the links from the article regarding voter fraud, Im not claiming correct, or unbiased, just that I have them bookmarked for my next break. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2013/11/14/about-as-many-people-say-theyve-been-abducted-by-space-aliens-as-say-theyve-committed-voter-fraud/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/07/09/7-papers-4-government-inquiries-2-news-investigations-and-1-court-ruling-proving-voter-fraud-is-mostly-a-myth/ Thank you Lucy. In the points I bolded in my earlier post, one of them still has me scratching my head. The State actually went to court and argued that their reason for one of the restrictions was that there were so many blacks that voted Democratic? They don't think that is racist?

mnottertail -> RE: Voter laws (7/30/2016 2:11:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: klmpong That's exactly why the liberals want it that way. They need the illegals to vote so they continue their agenda of destroying this coutry Uh, nutsuckers in the federal legislature have held it for how long? Are you certain you are not cockgargling as you nutsuckers are always wont to do? Cuz I think I hear a gutterral sound. I am sure of it.

Lucylastic -> RE: Voter laws (7/30/2016 2:19:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Hey WS:) These are the links from the article regarding voter fraud, Im not claiming correct, or unbiased, just that I have them bookmarked for my next break. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2013/11/14/about-as-many-people-say-theyve-been-abducted-by-space-aliens-as-say-theyve-committed-voter-fraud/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/07/09/7-papers-4-government-inquiries-2-news-investigations-and-1-court-ruling-proving-voter-fraud-is-mostly-a-myth/ Thank you Lucy. In the points I bolded in my earlier post, one of them still has me scratching my head. The State actually went to court and argued that their reason for one of the restrictions was that there were so many blacks that voted Democratic? They don't think that is racist? No cant be, its political correctness gone mad, or pandering to special interest groups(in this case the lawmakers)

mnottertail -> RE: Voter laws (7/30/2016 2:27:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: markyugen Do you pro-voter ID people even TRY to educate yourselves as to why it is such a pernicious idea? Why do you think it's such a bad idea to make those that voters are actually legally allowed to vote? Voter ID (of some sort) is a good idea - unless you have something to hide. No. Voter ID is a deliberate attempt to disenfranchise those at the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum who almost invariably vote Democrat. Homeless people and poor people often don't have acceptable forms of ID. It is a corrupt Republican practice designed to enable electoral fraud. I agree with you, voter ID does target poor, homeless, often Black people etc. How do you distinguish without Voter ID who is here legally or not, or even eligible to vote? I agree you should not have to have a drivers license. we waste a great deal of money and manpower on that becasue "FREEDOM, same reason we cant find out a retard has a gun until he kills folks

WickedsDesire -> RE: Voter laws (7/30/2016 3:09:53 PM)
Voter fraud most amusing often negligible in the western world yet something happened in Florida - I remember once upon a time

Greta75 -> RE: Voter laws (7/30/2016 6:52:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini In 12 states and in D.C. , undocumented immigrants can get drivers licenses. That's crazy! quote: Many officials are working very hard to grant voting rights to illegal immigrants. It probably won't be long now. Crazy again, alien in our world. We are determined that no Non-Citizen shall ever have the right to vote, as their culture is different from ours, they could fuck our country up to choose what we don't want! Especially when foreigners are majority in our country. The big question is, why would you want foreigners to influence who gets to be the leader in your own country? Why would you want to allow foreigners to make that choice for you?

Greta75 -> RE: Voter laws (7/30/2016 6:58:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness No. Voter ID is a deliberate attempt to disenfranchise those at the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum who almost invariably vote Democrat. Homeless people and poor people often don't have acceptable forms of ID. It is a corrupt Republican practice designed to enable electoral fraud. This has to be a uniquely American problem. Our birth certificate, which EVERY baby, regardless rich or poor should have one, IS a form of ID. IF that fails, maybe we have policy that social workers will knock on every door of every baby recorded when their time for school starts and make sure every kid gets to go to school. If they got financial issues, there are lots of help at hands. The kid can get free uniforms, school books, school fees waived, and they get pocket money from private organizations who pledge to help to make sure no child has an excuse not to go to school. So if for some damn strange reason you lost your birth certificate, by 12 yr old, every kid enrolled in school, will automatically get an ID. Like, perhaps the problem is that US don't issue ID compulsory to EVERYBODY born in the US? But surely every legal citizen has a birth certificate right? Like I was seriously confuse as to how ID could possibly discriminate against minorities? Unless minorities were illegal immigrants, THEN they shouldn't be voting anyway! And since voting is compulsory, minorities HAS to vote anyway! IF they were born in Singapore. There is no discrimination. Removing voter ID is not the solution to this problem. Making sure ALL US citizens has an ID to me seem to be the better solution. Or simply just get everybody thumb printed, so they can turn out at voting booth, thumb print to verify they are citizens, then allowed to go into voting booth. I mean there are so many easy solutions for this. Eliminating voter ID means anybody can vote, citizen or non-citizen. I don't know why any Americans would want non-Americans to shape their future on their behalf.

Greta75 -> RE: Voter laws (7/30/2016 7:12:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Same way you do everywhere that allows that: you give them the poll card that's posted to you, they check the electoral register to make sure that nobody has already voted claiming to be you, then they cross you off the list and give you a voting slip. It isn't exactly rocket science. But they say Voter ID discriminate against the homeless. So Homeless people have no mailing address and don't have Voter cards anyway. Thus, the country should either thumbprint every citizen as a record, or issue everybody an ID. I would imagine homeless people just show up and able to thumb print proof they are citizens and move on in and vote. I feel like identification to ensure the purity of the votes is so important. I don't know, I would feel outrage if illegals or tourists was voting in my country. They have no right!

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