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WickedsDesire -> RE: Voter laws (7/31/2016 8:47:29 AM)

If someone could put a roughish accurate figure to American electoral fraud I would be much obliged and sure the UK too for comparison. I doubt its 1/10 000 if i had to speculate....

Would not the bigger issue lie with manual counters and electronic counters. There lies the weakness.

why write new stuff wicked



markyugen -> RE: Voter laws (7/31/2016 8:55:32 AM)

Basically, voter fraud in the US is about as rare as being abducted by aliens.

http://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/publications/Analysis.pdf

For instance,
"A new Demos report on voter fraud in states offering Election Day Registration finds that despite the hundreds
of news stories reporting on allegations of voter fraud in Wisconsin in the 2004 presidential election,
practically no fraud has ever been proven. An intensive effort on the part of the federal government to
uncover and prosecute voter fraud in Wisconsin resulted in only 14 indictments and five convictions
or guilty pleas for illegal voting in an election in which over 3 million ballots were cast."

The 5/3,000,000 # is so low I don't even know what it is in percentage terms.

In other words, it's one of the reddest or red herrings Republican crooks use to steal elections. There is no reason to take their claims the least bit seriously under any circumstances.



kdsub -> RE: Voter laws (7/31/2016 8:56:31 AM)

Here in Missouri there have been cases of voter fraud...but they were small and did not make a difference in any election that can be proven. I do not believe a picture ID is needed for voter fraud because of our existing requirements of identification. But it will make voting easier and faster and that is important when people complain of long waits at the polls.

It is extremely unusual but remember a Presidential election hinged on a few loose tabs... do you think a few fraudulent votes made a difference... certainly could have. Here in Missouri we had a local election decided by ONE vote... how about fraud then. It may be rare but there are times when fraud is a concern.

Butch



DesideriScuri -> RE: Voter laws (7/31/2016 9:22:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75
FR
*sighs*, US is sooo complicated, but their solutions to problems is questionable. IF homeless or black people or poor people can't afford an ID, they need to change the system and give everybody a free ID! OR Thumb Print all of them into a system. Then they can just prove they are themselves by Thumb Print. There are better solutions than doing away with ID for voting which will create new problems of illegal people voting.


There are Free ID's available. It's usually just a State ID that doesn't provide any driving privileges, but, it's pretty much the same, in terms of ID, as a Driver's License.



WickedsDesire -> RE: Voter laws (7/31/2016 10:34:17 AM)

I see we have an abundance with an IQ that would not worry an ugly turnip let alone a fraudulent turnip long gong with the blight and cock rot



klmpong -> RE: Voter laws (7/31/2016 10:48:34 AM)

How can you PROVE voter fraud when there is no identifying information?
I think that the foolishness of the arguments against voter ID is proof enough that it exists and is going to grow.



BamaD -> RE: Voter laws (7/31/2016 5:51:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: markyugen

Basically, voter fraud in the US is about as rare as being abducted by aliens.

http://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/publications/Analysis.pdf

For instance,
"A new Demos report on voter fraud in states offering Election Day Registration finds that despite the hundreds
of news stories reporting on allegations of voter fraud in Wisconsin in the 2004 presidential election,
practically no fraud has ever been proven. An intensive effort on the part of the federal government to
uncover and prosecute voter fraud in Wisconsin resulted in only 14 indictments and five convictions
or guilty pleas for illegal voting in an election in which over 3 million ballots were cast."

The 5/3,000,000 # is so low I don't even know what it is in percentage terms.

In other words, it's one of the reddest or red herrings Republican crooks use to steal elections. There is no reason to take their claims the least bit seriously under any circumstances.

Without voter ID how do you know what the fraud rate.
Voter Id is the best way to detect it.



mnottertail -> RE: Voter laws (7/31/2016 6:12:43 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75
FR
*sighs*, US is sooo complicated, but their solutions to problems is questionable. IF homeless or black people or poor people can't afford an ID, they need to change the system and give everybody a free ID! OR Thumb Print all of them into a system. Then they can just prove they are themselves by Thumb Print. There are better solutions than doing away with ID for voting which will create new problems of illegal people voting.


There are Free ID's available. It's usually just a State ID that doesn't provide any driving privileges, but, it's pretty much the same, in terms of ID, as a Driver's License.


No they are not free, hence the 24th amendment problem.



mnottertail -> RE: Voter laws (7/31/2016 6:14:21 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: markyugen

Basically, voter fraud in the US is about as rare as being abducted by aliens.

http://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/publications/Analysis.pdf

For instance,
"A new Demos report on voter fraud in states offering Election Day Registration finds that despite the hundreds
of news stories reporting on allegations of voter fraud in Wisconsin in the 2004 presidential election,
practically no fraud has ever been proven. An intensive effort on the part of the federal government to
uncover and prosecute voter fraud in Wisconsin resulted in only 14 indictments and five convictions
or guilty pleas for illegal voting in an election in which over 3 million ballots were cast."

The 5/3,000,000 # is so low I don't even know what it is in percentage terms.

In other words, it's one of the reddest or red herrings Republican crooks use to steal elections. There is no reason to take their claims the least bit seriously under any circumstances.

Without voter ID how do you know what the fraud rate.
Voter Id is the best way to detect it.

Do you think it is more or less than gun deaths? Why look for a solution that has no problem? Is it because the nutsuckers fail at everything else so they have to make up even more shit to detract from their massive and pervasive failures?



bounty44 -> RE: Voter laws (7/31/2016 6:33:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: markyugen

Basically, voter fraud in the US is about as rare as being abducted by aliens.

http://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/publications/Analysis.pdf

For instance,
"A new Demos report on voter fraud in states offering Election Day Registration finds that despite the hundreds
of news stories reporting on allegations of voter fraud in Wisconsin in the 2004 presidential election,
practically no fraud has ever been proven. An intensive effort on the part of the federal government to
uncover and prosecute voter fraud in Wisconsin resulted in only 14 indictments and five convictions
or guilty pleas for illegal voting in an election in which over 3 million ballots were cast."

The 5/3,000,000 # is so low I don't even know what it is in percentage terms.

In other words, it's one of the reddest or red herrings Republican crooks use to steal elections. There is no reason to take their claims the least bit seriously under any circumstances.


&%#! please go read the gosh darned information I put on the previous thread.

and its not just about stealing elections, though that has indeed occurred. its about protecting the integrity of the process.

read this too:

http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2012/11/11/obama_likely_won_reelection_through_election_fraud



BamaD -> RE: Voter laws (7/31/2016 6:36:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44


quote:

ORIGINAL: markyugen

Basically, voter fraud in the US is about as rare as being abducted by aliens.

http://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/publications/Analysis.pdf

For instance,
"A new Demos report on voter fraud in states offering Election Day Registration finds that despite the hundreds
of news stories reporting on allegations of voter fraud in Wisconsin in the 2004 presidential election,
practically no fraud has ever been proven. An intensive effort on the part of the federal government to
uncover and prosecute voter fraud in Wisconsin resulted in only 14 indictments and five convictions
or guilty pleas for illegal voting in an election in which over 3 million ballots were cast."

The 5/3,000,000 # is so low I don't even know what it is in percentage terms.

In other words, it's one of the reddest or red herrings Republican crooks use to steal elections. There is no reason to take their claims the least bit seriously under any circumstances.


please go read the gosh darned information I put on the previous thread.

The argument seems to be we don't catch that many people committing fraud so by all means lets not impliment anything that will let us catch them.

Let us also erase all fingerprint records.



Greta75 -> RE: Voter laws (7/31/2016 6:37:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
There are Free ID's available. It's usually just a State ID that doesn't provide any driving privileges, but, it's pretty much the same, in terms of ID, as a Driver's License.

Do all states accept state ID as verification? And how complicated is the process to get hold of one?

I am trying to figure out what is it about ID that makes it so hard for black/poor/homeless people to own one?

But thumbprint verification system should be as airtight as it could possibly be. That way, poor/homeless has no excuse about being discriminated and prevented from voting, if all a Thumbprint is needed to prove you are a citizen.



bounty44 -> RE: Voter laws (7/31/2016 6:44:22 PM)

that's an excellent point.



bounty44 -> RE: Voter laws (7/31/2016 6:45:55 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
There are Free ID's available. It's usually just a State ID that doesn't provide any driving privileges, but, it's pretty much the same, in terms of ID, as a Driver's License.

Do all states accept state ID as verification? And how complicated is the process to get hold of one?

I am trying to figure out what is it about ID that makes it so hard for black/poor/homeless people to own one?

But thumbprint verification system should be as airtight as it could possibly be. That way, poor/homeless has no excuse about being discriminated and prevented from voting, if all a Thumbprint is needed to prove you are a citizen.


greta---so many things in life here require ID, its no hardship at all for minorities or poor people to get them.



BamaD -> RE: Voter laws (7/31/2016 7:06:47 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
There are Free ID's available. It's usually just a State ID that doesn't provide any driving privileges, but, it's pretty much the same, in terms of ID, as a Driver's License.

Do all states accept state ID as verification? And how complicated is the process to get hold of one?

I am trying to figure out what is it about ID that makes it so hard for black/poor/homeless people to own one?

But thumbprint verification system should be as airtight as it could possibly be. That way, poor/homeless has no excuse about being discriminated and prevented from voting, if all a Thumbprint is needed to prove you are a citizen.

The purpose of state ID is to allow people without a dl to do the things that require them. So the answer is of course, except of course for those states that do not require voter ID, they just require that you be a Democrat.
Do you realize what a portable fingerprint scanner for every polling place in America would cost. Do you realize that not everyone has ever been fingerprinted.

If people object to a picture ID thing what they would say about requiring finger prints .



Greta75 -> RE: Voter laws (7/31/2016 7:11:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

The purpose of state ID is to allow people without a dl to do the things that require them. So the answer is of course, except of course for those states that do not require voter ID, they just require that you be a Democrat.
Do you realize what a portable fingerprint scanner for every polling place in America would cost. Do you realize that not everyone has ever been fingerprinted.

If people object to a picture ID thing what they would say about requiring finger prints .

They can implement compulsory finger printing of all citizens for their data base.

It's good for alot of things. One time cost of implementing this. Efficiency for many many years to come.

In my country, all our IDs have our photo and our finger print on it. Super thorough.

I mean, the left complain is that, black/poor/homeless gets discriminated from voting, as they are unable to produce proper ID. Perhaps they may be tardy and unable to keep an ID without losing it. And homeless people will definitely not receive voting slips IF they did not have a home address.

Fingerprinting to me, works the best. I mean, I don't know about the US, over here, even opening bank accounts, there are finger printing records, because what if you fail your signature test? Which I often do. I can't sign a consistent signature and always have problems at bank cashing out money due to their insistent that my signature is not the same in their records, although to me, I have only had one signature my whole life but to them, it's always different. So then, finger print is second layer of verification you are indeed who you say you are, when you withdraw money from your own account. And the thing with banks is, even if you produce an ID, but if you fail your signature test, they will refuse to let you access to your account. I understand the tight security.



Termyn8or -> RE: Voter laws (7/31/2016 8:02:40 PM)

"So the legislators made it so that the only acceptable forms of voter identification were the ones disproportionately used by white people. "With race data in hand, the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans," the judges wrote. "The bill retained only the kinds of IDs that white North Carolinians were more likely to possess." "

By federal law you need a GOVERNMENT ISSUED ID to open a bank account. GOVERNMENT ISSUED.

What other kind of ID is there ? A Best Buy card ? A Kmart shoppers card ? A scrapper's ID (to steal the copper plumbing out of abandoned houses, we had that happen TWICE !). The fuck.

T^T



Termyn8or -> RE: Voter laws (7/31/2016 8:09:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini
lol Greta, get to Mexico, walk through to the US, we open our borders to pretty much anyone that walks in through Mexico, I thought you knew.
Once you get here, you can get the following: immediate medical care, a free public education until 18 {maybe soon community college}, means-tested welfare benefits {cash, food, housing, Medicaid, food stamps, temporary assistance for needy families and other services},population based services {police, fire, highways, parks, etc}.
In 12 states and in D.C. , undocumented immigrants can get drivers licenses.
Who cares. The amount of money consumed by these people is a drop in the bucket compared to the Bush Era tax cuts for the wealthy (3.5 trillion dollars plus and counting) and the corporate welfare doled out to companies such as Apple who pay no tax to the US government whatsoever.

Poor people and Mexicans aren't dragging this country down and sucking money out of the public purse. That's being done by corporations and rich people. Focus on the problem, not the scapegoat.



I won't disagree. I fact I even have said they take the jobs we do not want.

The problem is the bucket is empty. The government has to borrow money to pay the fucking electric bill. We need every drop in that bucket we can save, and quite frankly those people are not our problem.

T^T



Termyn8or -> RE: Voter laws (7/31/2016 8:19:56 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
Same way you do everywhere that allows that: you give them the poll card that's posted to you, they check the electoral register to make sure that nobody has already voted claiming to be you, then they cross you off the list and give you a voting slip. It isn't exactly rocket science.

But they say Voter ID discriminate against the homeless. So Homeless people have no mailing address and don't have Voter cards anyway.

Thus, the country should either thumbprint every citizen as a record, or issue everybody an ID.

I would imagine homeless people just show up and able to thumb print proof they are citizens and move on in and vote.

I feel like identification to ensure the purity of the votes is so important.

I don't know, I would feel outrage if illegals or tourists was voting in my country. They have no right!


The thumbprint idea would also fix the problem of Muslim Women wearing Hajib. It would fix a few other things too.

But it makes too much sense so they won't do it. Plus it is hard to examine fingerprints, you need to be able to superimpose them to be sure and that equipment is not cheap.

T^T



mnottertail -> RE: Voter laws (7/31/2016 8:20:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
There are Free ID's available. It's usually just a State ID that doesn't provide any driving privileges, but, it's pretty much the same, in terms of ID, as a Driver's License.

Do all states accept state ID as verification? And how complicated is the process to get hold of one?

I am trying to figure out what is it about ID that makes it so hard for black/poor/homeless people to own one?

But thumbprint verification system should be as airtight as it could possibly be. That way, poor/homeless has no excuse about being discriminated and prevented from voting, if all a Thumbprint is needed to prove you are a citizen.

The purpose of state ID is to allow people without a dl to do the things that require them. So the answer is of course, except of course for those states that do not require voter ID, they just require that you be a Democrat.
Do you realize what a portable fingerprint scanner for every polling place in America would cost. Do you realize that not everyone has ever been fingerprinted.

If people object to a picture ID thing what they would say about requiring finger prints .

No state can in good conscience require you to be a welfare patient, a nutsucker and a retard, but you are all three.



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