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Medicine is and should be nothing but cold hearted.

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Better to seperate them.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

I am not positive the outcome would have been better in the US. I think we have our own stories like this.

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no doubt we have our problems to,

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but I posted this for sake of continued discussion about the merits of socialized medicine

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but I posted this for sake of continued discussion about the merits of socialized medicine

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

no doubt we have our problems to, but I posted this for sake of continued discussion about the merits of socialized medicine, its impact upon people, and how much better their system is than ours. Therefore we must dismantle our system completly, federalize all medicine inclduing doctors, nurses, etc immediately. The the non-nmedical personnel in the government can decide (does it matter whose) can make all the decisions including prices, co-pays, etc. And it puts government in firm control of what I have heard is an estimated 10% of our economy.

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

no doubt we have our problems to, but I posted this for sake of continued discussion about the merits of socialized medicine, its impact upon people, and how much better their system is than ours. Therefore we must dismantle our system completly, federalize all medicine inclduing doctors, nurses, etc immediately. The the non-nmedical personnel in the government can decide (does it matter whose) can make all the decisions including prices, co-pays, etc. And it puts government in firm control of what I have heard is an estimated 10% of our economy.

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ORIGINAL: Edwird

Do you actually want to make the US better, or are you happy just whining your miserable ass away about fairy tales you actively seek out to fill your stupid head with?

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
no doubt we have our problems to, but I posted this for sake of continued discussion about the merits of socialized medicine, its impact upon people, and how much better their system is than ours.

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
I live under US Govt run socialized medicine. I can't get the devices I need for daily life. I have to pay for them out of pocket. Hospital Bed with accessories to the shower bench. Walker, wheelchair lift and so on. I have lived this way since I was 17. I get treatments that they determine are authorized. I was stuck with a quarter million dollar bill because they retroactively disapproved payment. Then said oh, we made a mistake but to bad for you, you still gotta pay. I have been trying since 1987 to get just one single appointment and am still waiting even tho I have applied numerous times over the years. Tell me how good socialized medicine is. And I get to pay taxes for my medical devices to boot. There is no upside as far as I am concerned.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Would their insurance pay for a 'double occupancy' when there was only a single occupant? I don't know, but I'd be willing to bet it's more likely in a socialized system than in the US.

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ORIGINAL: Edwird

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
I live under US Govt run socialized medicine. I can't get the devices I need for daily life. I have to pay for them out of pocket. Hospital Bed with accessories to the shower bench. Walker, wheelchair lift and so on. I have lived this way since I was 17. I get treatments that they determine are authorized. I was stuck with a quarter million dollar bill because they retroactively disapproved payment. Then said oh, we made a mistake but to bad for you, you still gotta pay. I have been trying since 1987 to get just one single appointment and am still waiting even tho I have applied numerous times over the years. Tell me how good socialized medicine is. And I get to pay taxes for my medical devices to boot. There is no upside as far as I am concerned.

You make a good if not actually coherent case that the particular form of socialized healthcare you've experienced in the US hasn't worked well for you.

What you seem to insist on overlooking is the fact that in at least 20 other countries, none of that would have happened in the first place -because they have a bona fide universal healthcare system-, especially not the part about retroactively being stuck with a huge bill for treatment or for whatever medical aids.

But here's a hint; if you were stuck with a quarter million dollar doctor/hospital bill, it's not actually socialized healthcare in any sense of the term.

It is precisely because the US doesn't have a universal healthcare system that all that happened to you. That would never happen in Britain or Sweden or the Netherlands, etc.

My cousin who died from ALS five years ago had to get a wheelchair, buy a van with a lift (that her cousins drove) to haul her to the doctor, a specialized laptop computer with specialized glasses so she could type by eye movement, etc. because she was a CPA with an MBA working at a company that had a decent health plan that she still paid heavily into out of her pay check. And she got all that education because her Phd dad could afford it without leaving her in student debt for 10 years after graduation.

If you aren't born to good circumstances or you don't have the mind for the university or are not born with entrepreneurial mindset and skills and then something bad happens to you, the US is just another "sucks to be you" third world country.

You never explained how you came into this "US socialized medicine" plan that no normal person is entitled to in the first place. Are you a vet? If so, you'll want to know that after invading Afghanistan and Iraq, Bush II pushed through a bill to cut funding to the VA as a perverted and twisted token of his appreciation to those who served, so that might have something to do with it.