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Chaska -> RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA (10/7/2016 1:16:45 PM)
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Shoot them in the leg my ass, no gun training ever teaches that.
T^T
Obviously not where you are.
That is one of the differences between some countries with short term training periods of a handful of weeks and other countries with minimum training of 2-3 years for police forces.
Effective use of weapons without killing as well as de-escalation of potentially dangerous situations requires brains and long training.
2-3 YEARS to train a cop? Where does the money come from?
Pay a man for three year to not help on the streets?
I find that hard to believe.
How long do they have to sign up for?
Friends of mine tell stories of seeing people being beaten to a pulp for saying agreesive threatening things like what when dealing with German cops.
The money is well paid for training cops that are able to do a proper job. It is a job for lifetime possibly so the money is well invested. They get trained in units called Bereitschaftspolizei which during training periods are used to support regular police units at sports events, demonstrations asf. and regular police units at intervals. It is not a matter of "belief" - get informed.
I guess your "friends" with bad manners did not stop at saying aggressive threatening things ...
Our cops train from the day they join up till they retire.
What you're saying is, you see no benefit in extensive training for police officers and that on the job training is the best and only option.
Would you let someone work on your car with minimal training as an auto mechanic, that is expected to learn primarily on the job?
The average amount of training to become a police office is 19 to 21 weeks lets say 3 months, while to become a certified auto mechanic it is 51 weeks rounded equals 2 years. So it takes 8 times more training to be an auto mechanic than to be a police officer. Are cars more important and of greater value than human beings? Not to mention dealing with human beings is a more complicated issue.
No, I said that the 4 months traning before going on duty is hardly the end of their training.
When possible they ride with another cop for a year or so. This means they have constant supervision over that period of time.
To follow your example it isn't as if a novice mechanic is let loose on your car, it is as if he works under the guidence of a master mechanic.
Incorrect, you had not mention anything about the length of training in this thread until now. You did make the unsubstantiated claim they train until they retire. Until you can back that up with facts it stands as on the job training other than the initial 3 months training. Which leads to yet another question "if" they are supervised, how much training does the supervisor have? As far as auto mechanic trainees being supervised its in a class room environment not the auto repair shop that hires certified mechanics to do the actual work, you also failed
to answer questions asked.
Niether did anyone else so that is just blowing hot air.
You don't know much about police work do you?
Most police work is interacting with people.
Not only is that hard to teach in the classroom(the student knows nothing there it real) but you don't see how they react untill they are in the field.
I have known people who said and did all the right things in the class but when they got into the field they were afraid every minute they are out there or push to hard.
They ride with proven, experienced officers with good records.
These officers have, of course, gone through the academy. They have served several years without problems, and have done well in the periodic traing ugrades trough thier service.
Yes ojt is part of thier training but police work is the sort of thing were OJT is the only test that matters.
So you admit to not saying anything about training as I stated? Yes, someone did mention training of 2 to 3 years in other country's read the quote from "binymph" ^ and your comment to it, (speaking of blowing hot air). Apparently you think you are the know it all when it comes to police work and have all the answers, which is utterly absurd. You're so blind you can't see your one sided bias when it comes to discussing this subject. As far as interacting with people, you overlooked I mention dealing with human beings is more complex, also conveniently overlook the vast difference in training time of an auto mechanic compared to a police officer.
Why is to hard to teach in a class room sitting and why not have additional field training exercises ( not necessarily with the general public) as well? Nobody can predict how they will react in all situations, although more training can be helpful. If a police officer is
afraid or can't handle the pressure of the job than he/she has no business being one. You have shown no proof that a trainee officer rides with a supervisor or does so for any specific time frame or any training the supervisor has or to train. Your word is not sufficient or even creditable based on your post history. You apparently advocate turning novice police loose for the bulk of their "on the job training" as their testing grounds on the general populous.
At the end of the day you miss the point that extensive training for police officers would not only benefit the populous, the system, but the police as well.
TO (Training Officer) is a slot on every police force that is, generally, a competitive position based on Time in Grade, class room testing and experience in the field. Pretty much all police departments send people to be trained at places like the FBI academy whose training is then deciminated into the field. Those American training academies generally take people from all over the world and are the source for training in many European countries.
Thanks, that's all I wanted was to answer my question. Next, the time spent with the TO (Training Officer) vary's by location, wouldn't be advantageous to have a standard time frame across the board?
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