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Yeah, I made a mistake. But it was a mistake without distinction. Racists use either education status or criminality to slander people of color. My point remains the same. Fuck off.

No, you decided he was a racist,

No, actually Termy has described himself as a racist on a semi-regular basis, and makes no bones about it, uses the n word just often enough to make the point, etc. Anybody here paying attention is aware of it, he doesn't hide it, lots of people (including myself, occasionally) still converse with him, but, like or dislike, everybody's used to it.

Again, for those paying attention.

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You can argue there are reasons for this, but trying to pretend it has absolutely nothing to do with the culture of black communities is irresponsible.

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It does nothing to change the fact that you decided he was a racist and then made up your own rationalisation for why that assessment was justified.

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You can argue there are reasons for this, but trying to pretend it has absolutely nothing to do with the culture of black communities is irresponsible.

This is what you said earlier in this thread:

As I've said before, crime is committed by an underclass. Therefore your demographics tend to be tainted by social reality. I think it's exceptionally unwise to infer from American statistics that people of African descent are more predisposed to crime.

What that tells me is that you are intellectually inconsistent, confused, or simply a dishonest troll. You cannot have both sides of the issue in an honest discussion.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness It does nothing to change the fact that you decided he was a racist and then made up your own rationalisation for why that assessment was justified.

Well, you are just fucking wrong. I call your attention to Edwird's comments about Termys racism in #72.

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Yeah, I made a mistake. But it was a mistake without distinction. Racists use either education status or criminality to slander people of color. My point remains the same. Fuck off.

No, you decided he was a racist,

No, actually Termy has described himself as a racist on a semi-regular basis, and makes no bones about it, uses the n word just often enough to make the point, etc. Anybody here paying attention is aware of it, he doesn't hide it, lots of people (including myself, occasionally) still converse with him, but, like or dislike, everybody's used to it.

Again, for those paying attention.

I don't. Termy tends to write walls of text and I skip over them. They generally don't inspire me to respond, so there's little return on the investment. I applaud you on your obsessive compilation of a dossier on everyone in the forums, it clearly adds value to your life, but it's just not for me.
You're welcome.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Yeah, I made a mistake. But it was a mistake without distinction. Racists use either education status or criminality to slander people of color. My point remains the same. Fuck off.

No, you decided he was a racist,

No, actually Termy has described himself as a racist on a semi-regular basis, and makes no bones about it, uses the n word just often enough to make the point, etc. Anybody here paying attention is aware of it, he doesn't hide it, lots of people (including myself, occasionally) still converse with him, but, like or dislike, everybody's used to it.

Again, for those paying attention.

I don't. Termy tends to write walls of text and I skip over them. They generally don't inspire me to respond, so there's little return on the investment. I applaud you on your obsessive compilation of a dossier on everyone in the forums, it clearly adds value to your life, but it's just not for me.
You're welcome.

Fancy way of saying; "no, I don't pay attention, I'm oblivious to what most people here know or not about other posters, or what's already been addressed even within the thread, or anything of factual nature at all, or any stupid shit like that, because my MO is to barge in and bark like a walrus in must and knock over things, and actually knowing WTF I'm talking about is not part of the bargain."

Impressive.

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"No, actually Termy has described himself as a racist on a semi-regular basis,"

Yes but I make a distinction between that and being a bigot. I treat everyone the same until or unless they give me reason not to.

Big fucking difference between what I am and what they think of as these knuckle dragging rednecks who would lynch a Black for no good reason.

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Impressive.

No, a simple way of ... blah blah blah, braying, verbal flatulence, more verbal flatulence, blah blah, etc. ...

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Now let's hear who makes up that underclass. A people who were dragged out of the jungle and forced into a society that took thousands of years to develop. Not that that has gone right really but it is better than running away from a lion or tiger...

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However this last part of your statement :

"unwise to infer from American statistics that people of African descent are more predisposed to crime."

Actually you can, but you cannot pin this on genetics. They got a raw deal here and in many places continue to get fucked over. Some must be pissed off and some must be desperate. The poverty level means less chance of a good education which means less chance of getting out of the dumps. Part of it might be genetic but no more than Irish or whoever, I think the environment has the most to do with it.

Socioeconomic status. Is Kareem Abdul Jibar out stealing ? Is LeBron James out stealing ? Was Charlie Pride out stealing ? This cannot be discarded.

Whatever it is about race is not the whole story. Whites steal if they can't do anything else. (that anyone will pay for) Les Miserables, for a loaf of bread when the country was getting robbed blind by banks and corporations. That is about how it works. Beam me up Scotty.

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No, it tells me you don't understand the difference between identifying an issue and determining the root cause. There are multiple factors in the high crime rate of African Americans, but first, you pretend that the crime rate ISN'T high, then you want to try and pretend there are no cultural issues which are contributing factors.

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African American youth need positive role models who advocate for their future, not bitter miserable old men who blame the white man for everything and teach a victim mentality to every young man they come into contact with.

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I have to admit to laughing at a joke that was really bad, especially when I found out it was a true story. I believe the guy's name was Emmet Hill and he was a Black who moved from up north to down south.

The joke was, he whistled at a White Woman. They lynched him, wrapped the body in chain and threw him in the river. Later, the body got dredged up somehow and at the coroner's inquest the coroner say "Open and shut case, dumb n_____ stole more chain than he could swim with.

It was hilarious until I found out it is a true story. That is really fucked up. I could even see her Husband going and giving Hill a good talking to, but to hang him ? Totally uncalled for.

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You reveal your own dishonesty and your own racism here. On the one hand you say it is unwise to impute criminal tendencies to people of African descent and this is exactly what you do.

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You slander all African Americans with your words while paying lip service to "multiple factors."

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Whereas the one obvious factor is crimes are committed by desperate or unmentored young men and women living in communities that have been isolated socially and economically.

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Crimes are not ascribable to the larger number of African Americans ~ to the attorneys and preachers, to other professional and working class African Americans. These African Americans with education and money have moved from the isolated inner cities to isolation in ring suburbs. You will not find them in the crime statistics.

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So, by your own account the definitive characterization of a "race" is subjective and dependent on perception. Perception is a basket of social constructs that we absorb from our "tribes." How else can you explain people hating blacks without ever encountering them? You cannot except by cultural bigotry.

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The one benefit of the racial classification of crime statistics is it reveals the disparity of justice in America.

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You are so fucking clueless and out of touch making false comments on the mentality of black youth. Victimization was not a characteristic to be found among the thousands of young black men and women I taught or met in 30 years of teaching in Miami city schools. I found instead that they were proud and bright and energized. "Fired up and ready to go!" Young people with dignity.

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Yeah, I am an old white man

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I have to admit to laughing at a joke that was really bad, especially when I found out it was a true story. I believe the guy's name was Emmet Hill and he was a Black who moved from up north to down south.

The joke was, he whistled at a White Woman. They lynched him, wrapped the body in chain and threw him in the river. Later, the body got dredged up somehow and at the coroner's inquest the coroner say "Open and shut case, dumb n_____ stole more chain than he could swim with.

It was hilarious until I found out it is a true story. That is really fucked up. I could even see her Husband going and giving Hill a good talking to, but to hang him ? Totally uncalled for.

While visiting family in Money, Mississippi, 14-year-old Emmett Till, an African American from Chicago, is brutally murdered for flirting with a white woman four days earlier. His assailants–the white woman’s husband and her brother–made Emmett carry a 75-pound cotton-gin fan to the bank of the Talahatchie River and ordered him to take off his clothes. The two men then beat him nearly to death, gouged out his eye, shot him in the head, and then threw his body, tied to the cotton-gin fan with barbed wire, into the river.

Till grew up in a working-class neighborhood on the south side of Chicago, and though he had attended a segregated elementary school, he was not prepared for the level of segregation he encountered in Mississippi. His mother warned him to take care because of his race, but Emmett enjoyed pulling pranks. On August 24, while standing with his cousins and some friends outside a country store in Money, Emmett bragged that his girlfriend back home was white. Emmett’s African American companions, disbelieving him, dared Emmett to ask the white woman sitting behind the store counter for a date. He went in, bought some candy, and on the way out was heard saying, “Bye, baby” to the woman. There were no witnesses in the store, but Carolyn Bryant–the woman behind the counter–claimed that he grabbed her, made lewd advances, and then wolf-whistled at her as he sauntered out.

Why are you so ignorant?

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"Upward mobility doesn't make you immune to criminal activity. "

Hell, in this country, criminal activity is the best way to upward mobility.

T^T