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What are you saying? Liberals are tolerant, conservatives are not?

No, that viewpoint is Leftist propaganda.

Not in this context, asshole.

After i reprimanded Thermy for using my words as a spring board for his racist comments correlating 'certain people" and unemployment. He replied that he didn't know I was that much of a Lib. Hence my reply was super valid when I asked him if he meant Libs were tolerent and Trocks were not. His idea; not mine. You had no clue about the nature of the conversation and you seized upon my question as if it were I stating the proposition. I WAS NOT. So, gather up your parachute and jump back out again and please stfu when you do not know what the fuck you are talking about.

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You mentioned David Berkowitz and Termy replied saying the whole notion of criminal proclivities opens up a can of worms

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You mentioned David Berkowitz and Termy replied saying the whole notion of criminal proclivities opens up a can of worms

Yeah, I made a mistake. But it was a mistake without distinction. Racists use either education status or criminality to slander people of color. My point remains the same. Fuck off.

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Yeah what scared me about it most wasn't so much being told the whole "no such thing as race", cause whatever, maybe I'm wrong or something. I still think race is akin to breed and that a lot of humans are just 'mutts' and so you can't really tell what race they belong to without doing genetic testing, just like you can't tell which breeds the average street dog stems from without genetic testing. But again, maybe I'm wrong on that, so fine, I'll go with what the professor says for the purpose of the class, I'm there to 'learn' after all.

But being told, in a college class, that merely questioning the professor's views, and bringing up a (in my opinion logical) argument to back up your own views, will you'll get a failing grade for doing so???? Not being corrected, not being proven wrong, not being told that "we need to move on from this argument because of a lack of time, but we'll discuss it after class", but being told plain and simple: you are not allowed to present this view point in front of the other students or we'll fail you for the course.

I can appreciate your feeling that way - I'm sure many would be taken aback. This article goes some way to explaining where he was coming from, I think ....

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How does an explanation for what might have been his position explain to me where he's coming from?

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How does an explanation for what might have been his position explain to me where he's coming from?

It doesn't - it only offers a possibility. Hey, don't shoot the messenger, Ishtar!

I was trained as a teacher. The whole point was that you take your students from where they are to where they need to go in their heads. I find this professor's method questionable.

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Still, let's face it - you'd rather express your rage than actually have a discussion, wouldn't you. After all, Termy is just a proxy for all the white people who've done you wrong, right?

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How does an explanation for what might have been his position explain to me where he's coming from?

My issue with him wasn't his position, my issue with him was the fact that he's a college professor who, instead of teaching the class, told us: because I said so, and if you ask questions about why I say so, I will fail you!

Comparing racial believes with the Easter Bunny is ludicrous, considering that the average person on the street very much believes in race. We've been told our entire lives that race is a thing. Thus, if the academics have decided that the common folk are wrong on this matter, a college professor would need to expect every student who walks into his class room to hold incorrect believes on the matter, and be ready to educate them differently. That education never happening is what my beef with the entire thing is... instead we got told "Thou shalt repeat this without thought or inquiry because I told you to.".

As a result not a single student taken the class whom I talked to otherwise learned a thing. Every one of them left the class feeling like they were forced to regurgitate a dogma that was obviously incorrect and politically motivated - after all, if it was founded in truth questions would have been permissible, and the professor would have been able to logically defend his position to us. The fact that neither happened or were publicly allowed, made every student I talked to conclude they were being fed a lie.

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I deliberately avoided taking any kind of political, or gender studies, etc class because I was worried about that kind of attitude: not allowing any question or debate deviating from the approved dogma... but I wasn't ready for it at all in a science class.

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Still, let's face it - you'd rather express your rage than actually have a discussion, wouldn't you. After all, Termy is just a proxy for all the white people who've done you wrong, right?

Awareness, you have once again fucked up a discussion - which was a good one, till now - with your completely unnecessary level of aggression. It's leagues beyond hypocritical for you ever to talk of anyone else 'expressing rage rather than actually having a discussion'. Please, for once: stow it.

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No, you decided he was a racist, then made up your own excuse for the way you feel. Perusing Termy's earlier stuff appears to indicate he's more worried about the Jews controlling the banks (I'm paraphrasing here) than he is about people of color.

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Regardless, your problem is that people of color have exceptionally high rates of crime.

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My students are taught that there no sacred cows, that any position can be challenged provided the proponent does the research and puts a coherent academically sound case forward. That is the approach I was taught when I was an undergrad too. My experience is that students in today's world have little tolerance for sexist racist or homophobic views and those advancing such views are very quickly made aware of this by other students who don't appreciate having their time wasted by bigots.

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Yeah, I made a mistake. But it was a mistake without distinction. Racists use either education status or criminality to slander people of color. My point remains the same. Fuck off.

No, you decided he was a racist,

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No, actually Termy has described himself as a racist on a semi-regular basis, and makes no bones about it, uses the n word just often enough to make the point, etc. Anybody here paying attention is aware of it, he doesn't hide it, lots of people (including myself, occasionally) still converse with him, but, like or dislike, everybody's used to it.

Again, for those paying attention.

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You know, there's a certain irony in you having this discussion with Peon because he's guilty of exactly the same approach.

He's openly stated that he would fail any student taking his 'class' if their response to the question 'What is feminism" was anything other than a recitation of dogma. So the class he allegedly 'teaches' has pretty much the same approach and reflects exactly the same politically based ideology.

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No, you decided he was a racist, then made up your own excuse for the way you feel. Perusing Termy's earlier stuff appears to indicate he's more worried about the Jews controlling the banks (I'm paraphrasing here) than he is about people of color.

Jews, Blacks, Ethnics, Feminists, Liberals, its all of a piece, the need for narrow minded, insecure people to put others in categories. Does that give you the illusion of control and reduce your fears?

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Regardless, your problem is that people of color have exceptionally high rates of crime.

No, that's not exactly true.

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Here you come along and suggest that blacks should solve the problem of single mother households by employing condoms. Utter blame-the-victim trash talk from you in the face of massive disparity of Justice and Wealth.

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You place people into classic discriminatory categories of race, gender, and politics and then try to point a finger of blame at them in order to comfort and justify your white male privilege.

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The number of arrests reported in the FBI arrest statistics in 2014 all crimes were committed at a rate of 69.4% by whites and 27.8% by blacks. Two problems there. That 69.4% includes Hispanics. Given that white Americans constitute 72% of the population, this number is representative of their percentage of the population. Whereas African Americans constitute 12.6% percent of the population and commit 27.8% of the crime - more than double the rate of white crime.

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The number of arrests reported in the FBI arrest statistics in 2014 all crimes were committed at a rate of 69.4% by whites and 27.8% by blacks. Two problems there. That 69.4% includes Hispanics. Given that white Americans constitute 72% of the population, this number is representative of their percentage of the population. Whereas African Americans constitute 12.6% percent of the population and commit 27.8% of the crime - more than double the rate of white crime.

Do you have any statistics on whether the same holds true in other countries? In Canada, Europe, the UK, does the same thing hold about them committing a disproportional percentage of the crimes against their per capital representation in the overall population, or is this a typically American issue?

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The number of arrests reported in the FBI arrest statistics in 2014 all crimes were committed at a rate of 69.4% by whites and 27.8% by blacks. Two problems there. That 69.4% includes Hispanics. Given that white Americans constitute 72% of the population, this number is representative of their percentage of the population. Whereas African Americans constitute 12.6% percent of the population and commit 27.8% of the crime - more than double the rate of white crime.

Do you have any statistics on whether the same holds true in other countries? In Canada, Europe, the UK, does the same thing hold about them committing a disproportional percentage of the crimes against their per capital representation in the overall population, or is this a typically American issue?

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The number of arrests reported in the FBI arrest statistics in 2014 all crimes were committed at a rate of 69.4% by whites and 27.8% by blacks. Two problems there. That 69.4% includes Hispanics. Given that white Americans constitute 72% of the population, this number is representative of their percentage of the population. Whereas African Americans constitute 12.6% percent of the population and commit 27.8% of the crime - more than double the rate of white crime.

Do you have any statistics on whether the same holds true in other countries? In Canada, Europe, the UK, does the same thing hold about them committing a disproportional percentage of the crimes against their per capital representation in the overall population, or is this a typically American issue?

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You know, there's a certain irony in you having this discussion with Peon because he's guilty of exactly the same approach.

He's openly stated that he would fail any student taking his 'class' if their response to the question 'What is feminism" was anything other than a recitation of dogma. So the class he allegedly 'teaches' has pretty much the same approach and reflects exactly the same politically based ideology.

Yeah I know. It's why I growled at him when he made his whole "here's where your teacher was coming from" post.

My professor was coming from a place where he was forced to teach us a position that he intellectually could not defend, and thus, when he got challenged, he panicked and pulled a power move to avoid having to admit that in front of the entire class.