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Greta75 -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 7:18:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka There is no cruelty in Christianity.... well except God demanding the brutal torture and death of his son on the cross thing... other than that it's cool. If there is any conclusion I have about Christianity is. The Christian God is actually freaking cruel and harsh. Remember Noah's Ark? Not happy with his own people? Kill everybody with natural disasters! Not happy with Romans? Kill all their first Born. That's the Christian God. He is temperamental, impatient and he kills you at his wimp. That and the fact that if he is God, the only creative way he could think of to help wash away people's sins without another Noah Ark kill the entire world situation IS to put his own son through brutal torture? That's a sick mind. Considering he is God, and I am sure he could find a better solution than all these gory stuffs. But God clearly loves Gore! BUT the redeeming factor is, THEN he gives the Ten Commandments, which basically tells you, YOU as a Christian are not allowed to do what he is allowed to do! Only he can kill, you can't! Which thankfully, is good! Different from Islam, where Allah orders humans to kill other humans who oppose them.

Curmudgeonly1 -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 7:32:52 PM)
Yer muxing ip the 'jew' part with the Christian part. The 'jew' God is supremacist, vengeful and bloodthirsty and, according to the torah, the architect of at least one of the most egregious holocausts in history (the extermination of the entire Midianite people [except for 30,000 pretty young virgins kept for the troops to rape]). The Christian God put all that vengeance and bloodshed aside in favour of forgiveness and inclusiveness. 'jewism' and 'islamism' remain as horrendous supremacist, paedophile, death cults that should both be driven back to the desert that spawned them. [sm=angel_smiley017.gif]

Wayward5oul -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 7:36:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1 Yer muxing ip the 'jew' part with the Christian part. The 'jew' God is supremacist, vengeful and bloodthirsty and, according to the torah, the architect of at least one of the most egregious holocausts in history (the extermination of the entire Midianite people [except for 30,000 pretty young virgins kept for the troops to rape]). The Christian God put all that vengeance and bloodshed aside in favour of forgiveness and inclusiveness. 'jewism' and 'islamism' remain as horrendous supremacist, paedophile, death cults that should both be driven back to the desert that spawned them. [sm=angel_smiley017.gif] You are talking to a woman who thinks that Jews and Muslims are Christians. Good luck with that.

itsSIRtou -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 7:37:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b quote: When it comes to religion, you really are a flaming lunatic. Actually when it comes to religion I am completely reasonable because I see religion for what it really is - complete and utter nonsense, all too often coupled with cruelty hypocritically calling itself "morality." There is no cruelty in Christianity.... well except God demanding the brutal torture and death of his son on the cross thing... other than that it's cool. I'd of liked to know what the millions killed in the Christian crusades would of thought of that..... oh wait, they were just hacked to death with swords....I guess that's cool...for the times. Personally, when it comes to religion I am completely reasonable because I see ORGANISED religion for what it really is - complete and utter hypocrisy, all too often coupled with money-grubbing, grand-standing, AND cruelty hypocritically calling itself "morality", "righteousness", or just simply, "the right."

Greta75 -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 7:48:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1 Yer muxing ip the 'jew' part with the Christian part. The 'jew' God is supremacist, vengeful and bloodthirsty and, according to the torah, the architect of at least one of the most egregious holocausts in history (the extermination of the entire Midianite people [except for 30,000 pretty young virgins kept for the troops to rape]). The Christian God put all that vengeance and bloodshed aside in favour of forgiveness and inclusiveness. 'jewism' and 'islamism' remain as horrendous supremacist, paedophile, death cults that should both be driven back to the desert that spawned them. [sm=angel_smiley017.gif] The holy bible contains the old testament and new testament. And also, Jesus acknowledges that the old testament is completely correct. I went to a methodist school and they definitely schooled you on old testament on top of new testament alot. Wasn't Judaism they were teaching.

Greta75 -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 7:51:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou I'd of liked to know what the millions killed in the Christian crusades would of thought of that..... oh wait, they were just hacked to death with swords....I guess that's cool...for the times. I can actually offer A Christian based explanation on this. In Christianity, there is Satan. His job is to basically misguide followers, turn them away from God and his teachings. Make them deviate or disbelieve. So one can say, the crusaders got misguided by Satan and went on the wrong path.

Curmudgeonly1 -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 8:00:48 PM)
Just because several books are aggregated into a collection doesn't mean they're all the same. Jesus also said that he had come to fulfill the law. Fulfill means to finish, terminate, end, complete. The old 'jew' cult law no longer applies. [sm=pineapple.gif]

CreativeDominant -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 8:05:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b quote: ... as long as you either agree with them or shut the fuck up about your own opposing viewpoint. Wrong. A liberal believes in freedom of speech for everyone regardless of races, gender, etc. If someone attempts to use the power of government and/or physical violence or threats then that person is not a liberal. Do not confuse dissent with censorship. A person using their freedom of speech to disagree with things you say (regardless of whether their being polite about it or not) is NOT a fascist. Disagreement and dissent are not censorship. The distinction is really not that difficult to figure out. I am a liberal. If I say "fuck Donald Trump" I'm still a liberal. If I say "Trump supporters are ignorant fuckwads" I'm still a liberal. If I beat the crap out of a Trump supporter because of what he said then I stop being a liberal and become a fascist. Sort of like these tolerant, peaceful liberals in Chicago? http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/11/14/man-viciously-beaten-chicago-bystanders-scream-he-voted-donald-trump/93787862/ Like these tolerant, peaceful liberals in San Jose? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/06/03/ugly-bloody-scenes-in-san-jose-as-protesters-attack-trump-supporters-outside-rally/?0p19G=c Like these tolerant, peaceful liberals in Connecticut and New York? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3930834/Trump-supporters-attack-Wilson-Eschevarria-Anthony-Hobdy-arrested-Connecticut-New-York-police-hunt-suspect-choked-subway-passenger.html?0p19G=c According to your own words above, these suspects are now all fascists and not liberals. According to you, they are not liberals anymore. Neither would any of the Ferguson protesters or BLM marchers who've engaged in destruction of property and/or engaged in violence against people. Care to explain to them that the minute their peaceful protests turn violent and/or destructive that they are not left-wing liberals anymore but fascists and...presumably...right wing? Care to explain that to them?

Curmudgeonly1 -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 8:09:19 PM)
quote: I'd of liked to know what the millions killed in the Christian crusades would of thought of that..... oh wait, they were just hacked to death with swords....I guess that's cool...for the times. The muzzie hordes could have avoided all that if they'd stayed in their desert and not invaded Europe. The first crusade to drive the savages out didn't begin until 500 years after the savages invaded. And by 'invaded' I mean like isis. Fuck 'em. Drive them back to the desert. ALL of them. [sm=axe.gif]

tamaka -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 8:10:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1 Yer muxing ip the 'jew' part with the Christian part. The 'jew' God is supremacist, vengeful and bloodthirsty and, according to the torah, the architect of at least one of the most egregious holocausts in history (the extermination of the entire Midianite people [except for 30,000 pretty young virgins kept for the troops to rape]). The Christian God put all that vengeance and bloodshed aside in favour of forgiveness and inclusiveness. 'jewism' and 'islamism' remain as horrendous supremacist, paedophile, death cults that should both be driven back to the desert that spawned them. [sm=angel_smiley017.gif] Well Christians and Jews believe in the same God. The Christian God (God the Father) is the God of the Jews.

Kirata -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 8:26:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Jesus acknowledges that the old testament is completely correct. Not even close. K.

heavyblinker -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 8:34:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And the right strikes you as satisfied? Until the silly "it's those people over there" shit stops, we're just going to ride the merry-go-round year after year after year. I get that it's nice to imagine a world where people get along, but compromise at this point seems a lot like 'teach the controversy' when it comes to evolution or climate change.

itsSIRtou -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 8:48:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1 quote: I'd of liked to know what the millions killed in the Christian crusades would of thought of that..... oh wait, they were just hacked to death with swords....I guess that's cool...for the times. The muzzie hordes could have avoided all that if they'd stayed in their desert and not invaded Europe. The first crusade to drive the savages out didn't begin until 500 years after the savages invaded. And by 'invaded' I mean like isis. Fuck 'em. Drive them back to the desert. ALL of them. [sm=axe.gif] u need to read actual History dude, the Christians attacked them first, and eventually got kicked back out . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades (from the history channel.) The first of the Crusades began in 1095, when armies of Christians from Western Europe responded to Pope Urban II’s plea to go to war against Muslim forces in the Holy Land. After the First Crusade achieved its goal with the capture of Jerusalem in 1099, the invading Christians set up several Latin Christian states, even as Muslims in the region vowed to wage holy war (jihad) to regain control over the region. Deteriorating relations between the Crusaders and their Christian allies in the Byzantine Empire culminated in the sack of Constantinople in 1204 during the Third Crusade. Near the end of the 13th century, the rising Mamluk dynasty in Egypt provided the final reckoning for the Crusaders, toppling the coastal stronghold of Acre and driving the European invaders out of Palestine and Syria in 1291. So if they had stayed the fuck out of their desert to start with and they wouldn't of got kicked their ass out..... and history is repeating itself. Again.

LadyDemura -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 8:48:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1 Yer muxing ip the 'jew' part with the Christian part. The 'jew' God is supremacist, vengeful and bloodthirsty and, according to the torah, the architect of at least one of the most egregious holocausts in history (the extermination of the entire Midianite people [except for 30,000 pretty young virgins kept for the troops to rape]). The Christian God put all that vengeance and bloodshed aside in favour of forgiveness and inclusiveness. 'jewism' and 'islamism' remain as horrendous supremacist, paedophile, death cults that should both be driven back to the desert that spawned them. [sm=angel_smiley017.gif] Well Christians and Jews believe in the same God. The Christian God (God the Father) is the God of the Jews. As is the Muslim God. All the more reason to make all religion something to be ashamed of if Radical Islamic Terrorism is ever to be stopped. Muslims will never be converted to Christianity as they actually believe in Jesus, and look at their religion as sort of a reform on Christianity much like Christians look at Christianity and Judaism. If admitting to believing in any of these religions was as embarrassing as admitting to actually believing in the Tooth Fairy, we can maybe finally move into this millennium and make decisions based on science and fact rather than superstition...

heavyblinker -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 8:51:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b Wrong. A liberal believes in freedom of speech for everyone regardless of races, gender, etc. If someone attempts to use the power of government and/or physical violence or threats then that person is not a liberal. Do not confuse dissent with censorship. A person using their freedom of speech to disagree with things you say (regardless of whether their being polite about it or not) is NOT a fascist. Disagreement and dissent are not censorship. The distinction is really not that difficult to figure out. I am a liberal. If I say "fuck Donald Trump" I'm still a liberal. If I say "Trump supporters are ignorant fuckwads" I'm still a liberal. If I beat the crap out of a Trump supporter because of what he said then I stop being a liberal and become a fascist. Actually, I'm pretty sure that you can use force in the service of practically any political position. HG Wells described a 'liberal fascism' in which society was ruled by an elite class of academics, scientists, artists and professionals who would use their power to forge an enlightened society. No one is obligated to tolerate ideas that run contrary to their own, especially if those ideas pose a danger to society. The GOP's position on climate change alone is enough to make their leadership totally unacceptable.

Lucylastic -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 8:51:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b quote: When it comes to religion, you really are a flaming lunatic. Actually when it comes to religion I am completely reasonable because I see religion for what it really is - complete and utter nonsense, all too often coupled with cruelty hypocritically calling itself "morality." There is no cruelty in Christianity.... well except God demanding the brutal torture and death of his son on the cross thing... other than that it's cool. I'd of liked to know what the millions killed in the Christian crusades would of thought of that..... oh wait, they were just hacked to death with swords....I guess that's cool...for the times. Personally, when it comes to religion I am completely reasonable because I see ORGANISED religion for what it really is - complete and utter hypocrisy, all too often coupled with money-grubbing, grand-standing, AND cruelty hypocritically calling itself "morality", "righteousness", or just simply, "the right." There is plenty of cruelty in christianity. Always has been, Even today ALL of it taken out of context by the crazies that thought their interpretation of the bibble is the only truth. Of course it depends on your definition of "cruelty" Matthew is full of it, Luke is almost as bad. Paul was mentally ill and hated women. Of course I could go on. But there is plenty of cruelty in ALL abrahamic books.

heavyblinker -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 8:59:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy What steps should Trump take to unite the country? OK, I'll seriously entertain this for a second -- note that I don't think it would ever happen. But if I were Trump's advisor, and he said, "I really need to unite the country -- how can I do that?" I'd tell him to publicly push the Senate to confirm Garland, making the argument that a) precedent makes clear it's Obama's choice, b) Obama could choose to argue the Senate had it's opportunity to advise and consent and just appoint him (knowing it would be challenged, and that wouldn't be good for the country) c) and that if they don't, he (Trump) will simply nominate Garland again, to ensure the smooth transition of not only power, but also good faith government of all the people. That would get people's attention, even his critics. And it would be a step toward healing the nation's bitter divide. To those obsessed with swinging the balance their way, he can make the point the Garland is actually a moderate, not an ideologue to be feared. Not gonna happen. But it would change the tone and atmosphere dramatically if he did. Government is not much more than a neverending power struggle between people who believe they are justified... it seems awfully naive to assume that gestures like these would do anything except make him appear weak and the Dems would smell blood. If you want evidence of what politicians do with compromises and diplomatic gestures of good faith, see Obama's entire presidency.

Lucylastic -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 9:03:38 PM)
Im wondering how people feel about his family being so involved....doesnt seem that people are worried about a dynasty rule in hair drumpfs case.

tamaka -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 9:08:04 PM)
Personally i think there could be some kind of legal argument of not being able to teach a religion that convinced its followers that if they don't submit to the tenets of the religion they are going to spend eternity burning in hell. I think that is mentally cruel (it sure was to me... i can't tell you how many panic attacks i had as a kid growing up in this). In fact, i think it could be labelled as terrorism.

LadyDemura -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 9:24:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Personally i think there could be some kind of legal argument of not being able to teach a religion that convinced its followers that if they don't submit to the tenets of the religion they are going to spend eternity burning in hell. I think that is mentally cruel (it sure was to me... i can't tell you how many panic attacks i had as a kid growing up in this). In fact, i think it could be labelled as terrorism. If it were illegal to teach anyone under 18 religion, there would be very few religious people, though some would still fall into that trap.

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