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WickedsDesire -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/12/2016 11:24:34 AM)

I have cited many figures, it takes me time and effort to do so, and i do not doubt for one nano second the machine destroyed/dismantled Sanders - I actually liked that one the mad fool.

13 million people voted for Turnip in the nominee thingy = 5%
and 21-23% of the eligible electorate in the president battle v bint


How can buffoon and his broken faction unite the majority = impossible



tamaka -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/12/2016 12:54:49 PM)

Here's one 23% statistic:

http://www.inquisitr.com/3617348/23-percent-of-american-millennials-prefer-death-by-meteor-over-clinton-trump/



Marc2b -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/14/2016 5:57:56 PM)

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you might enjoy this; I posted it awhile ago and it didn't get any traction really:

https://www.theobjectivestandard.com/2012/06/political-left-and-right-properly-defined/


Actually, I found it to be a rather tortured contortion of terminology to arrive at a preordained conclusion of 'right good, left bad.'

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just taking notice your signature---if you think that is an accurate indictment on people who believe in god, you are mistaken. or, as I have said many times here, people like to redefine "hate" for their own purposes.


I don't want to get off the subject matter of this thread but - short version - religions demand a hatred of the "infidel" of the "heathen" or the "sinner." They just don't call it hate. Instead the call it "righteousness" or "holiness" or morality.



Marc2b -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/14/2016 6:12:59 PM)

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I can't believe I'm doing this, but here goes:

I'm not wrong. Eight years ago, when I said that I could not support (then) Sen. Obama because I'd done my due dilligence and checked his senate voting record and as much as we knew about him, back then, and I had judged him to be a socialist, I was immediately labeled a racist by the vitriolic loony left, here.

You, yourself, made a grand re-entrance and said that you hoped that we could try and civilize this site somewhat (shortly after which you excoriated me in a typically Alinskyesque barrage).

When you use terms like "racist" (or "fascist" or any of the "ists" we have), you nullify the message of the person speaking because you dehumanize them. How very progressive of the left. Their parents would be proud.

You see, there's Censorship and then, there's censorship. When the mob shouts down the minority, it's censorship. That is: a silencing of a portion of the population because it makes the self-appointed guardians of free speech get a warm and fuzzy feeling for being morally superior.

Fuck the left and their sanctimonious bullshit.


I'd like to see this "Alinskyesque Barrage" you accuse me of - in context. That aside, terms like "racist" or "fascist" are used to describe racists and fascists. Racists and fascists dehumanize themselves without anyone's help. I don't know if you are a racist or fascist but it you feel unfairly maligned by someone, make your case to them. I just know that being outnumbered doesn't mean you are being censored and that someone who advocates for censorship cannot be a liberal.



Lucylastic -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/14/2016 6:20:16 PM)

So basically they were tired of being called sexist, racist, bigoted by leftists, so they voted Trump (who pandered to racists and bigots, and has a history of being sexist) just to show them......

They don't really understand the concept of proving someone right, do they?

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Marc2b -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/14/2016 6:24:58 PM)

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Darling, I was was describing authoritarianism, not fascism. They are not interchangeable terms.


Pookums, they might as well be. Perhaps they are not on paper but I have never heard of an authoritarian government that doesn't incorporate hatred in one for or another.

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But I have. I have provided you with the correct definition of fascism.

You provided me with a definition. As with most words there is more than one. I prefer the one that goes: "A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism." Actually, I don't think that capitalism is really necessary, government control of the economy is sufficient.

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Well yes, as I said, I think that political terms should be used correctly, and you used it incorrectly. It is not because it was Trump you referred to (I am in no way a Trump supporter, see I'm a communist), it was because you used the term incorrectly.


That remains debatable.



Kirata -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/14/2016 7:37:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

religions demand a hatred of the "infidel" of the "heathen" or the "sinner." They just don't call it hate.

When it comes to religion, you really are a flaming lunatic.

K.



Marc2b -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 3:43:20 AM)

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When it comes to religion, you really are a flaming lunatic.


Actually when it comes to religion I am completely reasonable because I see religion for what it really is - complete and utter nonsense, all too often coupled with cruelty hypocritically calling itself "morality."



bounty44 -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 3:53:27 AM)

um no, its a re-orienting of the definitions such that people from both left and right can be understood in new left and right categories.

as for the second part of your reply to me---I agree with kirata and its clear, at least as far as Christianity goes, you actually know very little about "religion" yet amazingly still feel justified in dismissing it.



Kirata -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 5:11:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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When it comes to religion, you really are a flaming lunatic.

Actually when it comes to religion I am completely reasonable because I see religion for what it really is

Reason is a whore who will spread her legs for any premise, and one of the premises "enlightening" your reason is that your view of reality is superior to everyone else's. Let some air out of it.

K.




tamaka -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 5:19:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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When it comes to religion, you really are a flaming lunatic.


Actually when it comes to religion I am completely reasonable because I see religion for what it really is - complete and utter nonsense, all too often coupled with cruelty hypocritically calling itself "morality."


There is no cruelty in Christianity.... well except God demanding the brutal torture and death of his son on the cross thing... other than that it's cool.



PeonForHer -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 5:24:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

There is no cruelty in Christianity.... well except God demanding the brutal torture and death of his son on the cross thing... other than that it's cool.



I think that's a fairly important exception, though, Tamaka. It's probably what people the world over know best about Christianity and it's the thing that most symbolises it.



Curmudgeonly1 -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 5:44:35 PM)

Can you please point us to the passage where God "demands" the "brutal torture and death" of his son?

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tamaka -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 6:06:45 PM)

I Peter 3:18



bounty44 -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 6:26:13 PM)

"for Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to god."

exactly where is the "force?"

add john 15:13 and you will have a better picture.



Curmudgeonly1 -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 6:34:49 PM)

Can you help me out again please. Which of these words means "God demanding the brutal torture and death of his son"?


1 Peter 3:18King James Version (KJV)

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

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tamaka -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 6:41:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1

Can you help me out again please. Which of these words means "God demanding the brutal torture and death of his son"?


1 Peter 3:18King James Version (KJV)

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

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The whole story is about Jesus being tortured and put to death on a cross. He had to *suffer* and *be put to death*. Suffering=torture (i'm sure you know the details) and death=being put to death in the flesh..... "That he might bring us to God"= God demanding/requiring... however you want to phrase it. That was what God required.



Curmudgeonly1 -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 7:05:35 PM)

"That he might bring us to God" =/= God demanding/requiring...

Fixed it for ya.

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tamaka -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 7:13:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1

"That he might bring us to God" =/= God demanding/requiring...

Fixed it for ya.

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Thanks.



Kirata -> RE: How Can Trump Unite the Country? (11/15/2016 7:14:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

"for Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to god."

exactly where is the "force?"

More to the point, where is the necessity?

For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you ~Matthew 6:14

K.



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