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BamaD -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 2:14:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Isn't it a crime to publish a "secret" CIA document.


Not when the dumbocrats do it for propaganda purposes. Come on, Bama. You knew that! [:D]



Michael



Yep, I just wanted one of them to try an explain it away.




heavyblinker -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 2:38:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Isn't it a crime to publish a "secret" CIA document. So we have an illegally released document, which if believed, would prove that Hillary was sloppy with internet security, and which Trump had nothing to do with, so the obvious conclusion is to invalidate Trumps win.


The RNC was also hacked.
Try paying attention.




Lucylastic -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 3:24:45 AM)

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joint-statement-department-homeland-security-and-office-director-national
This was from OCtober 7th

Joint Statement from the Department Of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security
Release Date: October 7, 2016
DHS and ODNI Seals

For Immediate Release
DHS Press Office
Contact: 202-282-8010

The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.

Some states have also recently seen scanning and probing of their election-related systems, which in most cases originated from servers operated by a Russian company. However, we are not now in a position to attribute this activity to the Russian Government. The USIC and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) assess that it would be extremely difficult for someone, including a nation-state actor, to alter actual ballot counts or election results by cyber attack or intrusion. This assessment is based on the decentralized nature of our election system in this country and the number of protections state and local election officials have in place. States ensure that voting machines are not connected to the Internet, and there are numerous checks and balances as well as extensive oversight at multiple levels built into our election process.

Nevertheless, DHS continues to urge state and local election officials to be vigilant and seek cybersecurity assistance from DHS. A number of states have already done so. DHS is providing several services to state and local election officials to assist in their cybersecurity. These services include cyber “hygiene” scans of Internet-facing systems, risk and vulnerability assessments, information sharing about cyber incidents, and best practices for securing voter registration databases and addressing potential cyber threats. DHS has convened an Election Infrastructure Cybersecurity Working Group with experts across all levels of government to raise awareness of cybersecurity risks potentially affecting election infrastructure and the elections process. Secretary Johnson and DHS officials are working directly with the National Association of Secretaries of State to offer assistance, share information, and provide additional resources to state and local officials.

Now, I know this is from october,,,before the election and I know you bad boys were not paying attention, and that it says that there is no official "claim" But this isnt new
It would be loveley if it was only the left that thinks its a problem, but its not.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/11/us/politics/cia-judgment-intelligence-russia-hacking-evidence.html?emc=edit_th_20161212&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=69606674
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html




BamaD -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 3:25:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Isn't it a crime to publish a "secret" CIA document. So we have an illegally released document, which if believed, would prove that Hillary was sloppy with internet security, and which Trump had nothing to do with, so the obvious conclusion is to invalidate Trumps win.


The RNC was also hacked.
Try paying attention.

A. It is still illegal to release secret IA reports.
B. Hillary had classified information on her computer.
C. If they also released information on Trump they weren't trying to help him, if they didn't, how do you know they hacked them.
D. This looks more like SOP than trying to help one party over the other.
E. That puts us back to the most important thing is that someone illegally released a CIA study.
F. Maybe you should pay attention and not just grab at anything that lets you pretend that Hillary got cheated.




heavyblinker -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 3:40:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
C. If they also released information on Trump they weren't trying to help him, if they didn't, how do you know they hacked them.


Because the CIA's job is to uncover these kinds of details. If you had been following the story instead of thinking up new straw men, you would know that this is a pretty big part of what we're talking about.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
D. This looks more like SOP than trying to help one party over the other.


It probably is Putin's standard operating procedure to hack political parties.

I'm pretty sure your ignorance of this story and politics in general means you think the CIA is exposing Hillary here, though.

This is why paying attention is so important.




Musicmystery -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 4:48:18 AM)

A house divided: The alarming response to Russian meddling in American democracy

"Thanks to reporting by the Washington Post and New York Times—we now know that the CIA briefed senior members of Congress before and after the election that, in the consensus view of intelligence analysts, the Russians’ motive was not just to undermine confidence in American democracy generally, but actively to seek Mrs Clinton’s defeat. These latest revelations have probably not changed any minds at all. Republicans who hate Mrs Clinton are still delighted that she was defeated. Democrats who loathe and fear Mr Trump have one more reason to dislike him. Outside Washington, red-blooded Americans who mostly rather dislike President Vladimir Putin (pictured), according to polls, seem to be shrugging off the latest allegations: President-elect Trump was loudly cheered by spectators when he turned up in Baltimore on December 10th to watch the Army-Navy football game, an annual pageant of patriotism.

"And that is what is, or should be, so unsettling. Russian interference in elections across the Western world is like a nasty virus, attacking the body politic. Normally, America is protected by powerful, bipartisan immune responses against such a menace. It also boasts some of the world’s most sophisticated intelligence and cyber-defences, and when spooks tell the Republicans and Democrats who lead Congress and sit on the House and Senate intelligence committees of hostile acts by a foreign power, love of country generates a unified response. That immune response is not kicking in this time.

"The problem is not that all Republicans in Congress dismiss the claim that Russia tried to meddle in the election. Committee chairmen have promised urgent hearings. “We cannot allow foreign governments to interfere in our democracy,” said Representative Michael McCaul, a Texas Republican and chairman of the Homeland Security Committee. Senator John McCain of Arizona, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee and no friend of Russia, told reporters: “Everybody that I know, unclassified, has said that the Russians interfered in this election. They hacked into my campaign in 2008; is it a surprise to anyone?” The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Representative Devin Nunes of California, has said that he believes Russia is guilty, but then turned his fire on the Obama administration, saying that President Barack Obama’s desire for a “reset” of relations with Moscow had led him and his spy chiefs to fail “to anticipate Putin’s hostile actions.” He grumbled that Team Obama had “ignored pleas by numerous Intelligence Committee members to take more forceful action against the Kremlin’s aggression.”

"Yet Republicans are not conceding a more incendiary idea: that the authoritarian, anti-American government of Russia wanted Mr Trump to win. Mr Nunes, a prominent Trump supporter during the election, calls that “innuendo” based on “lots of circumstantial evidence, that’s it.” Other Republicans are taking the view that it is all very complicated and murky. “All this ‘news’ of Russian hacking: it has been going on for years,” Senator John Cornyn of Texas, a member of Republican leadership, tweeted: “Serious, but hardly news.”

"A startling report in the Washington Post described Republican and Democratic members of the House of Representatives being briefed in a secure room at the Capitol last week and remarking, out loud, that they appeared not to agree even on basic facts, let alone their interpretation."

Interesting piece in the Economist -- http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2016/12/house-divided?fsrc=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/ahousedividedthealarmingresponsetorussianmeddlinginamericandemocracy




blnymph -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 4:59:20 AM)

The fact of Russian hacking campaigns is far from secret. There are regular reports and warnings over most of the year from various european and asian countries, only less than a fortnight ago an attempt to establish a botnet temporarily knocked out thousands of German Telekom routers. Do you think the CIA doesn't read European newspapers (just because some of you don't)? What is usually kept secret are the technical procedures in detail.




BoscoX -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 7:14:43 AM)

Obama had his inept CIA drooler friends hacking Angela Merkel's communications, as well as hacking Hollande in France, and Netanyahu in Israel. He even had them try to influence the Egyptian Elections during his disastrous Arab Spring meddling.

But he acts shocked, surprised, and outraged when claiming that his people running the CIA have found others doing exactly what Obama has them do.

Where is a SNL skit when we need it?




WhoreMods -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 7:36:08 AM)

Were you one of the people who've spent the last eight years pissing and moaning about Obama being Israel's bitch, by any chance?




BoscoX -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 7:49:59 AM)

IF foreign hackers did cost the Democrats the White House, it is karma served up with a side of LOLZ.

But it is probably just another Alinskyite political ploy by our Community-Organizer-in-Chief. A cheesy attempt to have his incredibly politicized CIA cast the incoming president as illegitimate.





heavyblinker -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 7:50:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
A house divided: The alarming response to Russian meddling in American democracy


You could expect no less from a Trump administration.

It wouldn't surprise me if Trump asked for Putin's help even before the primaries. The RNC hack could have just been to 'convince' others in the GOP to support him, despite the fact that he actually goes against everything they believe in.

It's DEFINITELY not a surprise that he would defend an autocratic government over the CIA if the alternative meant questioning the legitimacy of his election win. He still thinks he won because everyone in America loves him, and couldn't even conceive of someone protesting him without being paid to do it.




Lucylastic -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 7:58:00 AM)

just out....live video

https://www.facebook.com/politico/videos/10154084760776680/

From Politico
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/mcconnell-backs-congressional-investigation-into-russian-interference-232504


McConnell backs congressional investigation into Russian interference
He stressed that foreign interference in U.S. elections 'simply cannot be a partisan issue.'
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) backed calls for a congressional probe into Russian interference in the U.S. election, saying the Senate Intelligence Committee is “more than capable” of investigating the matter.

“Obviously any foreign breach of our cybersecurity measures is disturbing, and I strongly condemn any such efforts,” McConnell told reporters at a news conference at the Capitol Monday.

McConnell dismissed calls for a select committee, saying that the Senate will follow the “regular order.” He stressed that foreign interference in U.S. elections “simply cannot be a partisan issue.”

“It’s an important subject and we intend to review it on a bipartisan basis,” McConnell said, adding: “The Russians are not our friends.”

McConnell also noted that Senate Armed Services Committee John McCain (R-Ariz.) will direct a cybersecurity review from one of his subcommittees.




BoscoX -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 8:10:59 AM)

How sweet! When you see RINOS and liberals making out in da booshes together, doesn't it just give you that warm tingling feeling running down your thighs and legs, into your shoes?

When is anyone going to point out how careless Hillary and the DNC were on cybersecurity issues. OF COURSE foreign agents were trying to hack them - MOTHERFUCKING DUH, MOTHERFUCKERS!!!

We do it, they do it, big massive fucking whoopee.

We get it, Trump BAAAD. Globalism GOOD.

Good sheep, here's your carrot.




Lucylastic -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 8:22:58 AM)

LMAO Ewe are the one bleating.
but its nice to know you dont think its a problem,

Keep calm ol chap,
you seem a little over-wrought.

it will all come out in the wash, jus you wait an see
*pat*




BoscoX -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 8:32:06 AM)

So now the left is concerned about email hacks. It was no big deal when the Secretary of State had a private server she sent classified messages on and was proven to have been hacked by Russia and China. Noooo, nothing to see here folks.

And frankly, anyone who clicks on unsolicited emails and doesn't know how to use their spam filter should not be working in government.

They deserved to lose, consider it a political Darwin award.




Baldrick -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 8:41:18 AM)

Oh and it was just peachy when the Republicans outed an undercover CIA operative because her husband wrote an unflattering article about W... who cares right? No one got hurt? For Christ sakes you are pathetic.... a foreign power hacked your government, and you don't seem concerned at all?




Lucylastic -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 8:49:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

So now the left is concerned about email hacks. It was no big deal when the Secretary of State had a private server she sent classified messages on and was proven to have been hacked by Russia and China. Noooo, nothing to see here folks.

And frankly, anyone who clicks on unsolicited emails and doesn't know how to use their spam filter should not be working in government.

They deserved to lose, consider it a political Darwin award.



ohyou mean the past how many years of investigation after investigation, how many millions, no charges, no nothing, ....but you want us to keep hearing about that and ignoring this....
How about you give a shit about the actual issue in front of you....
if it was a cia or fbi, or any other report about russia helping hils win, you would be crapping icebergs.
dayam
holy shit, where is the proof that china and russia had her server hacked???
you are dreamin ...or on something you shouldnt be.....






itsSIRtou -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 8:56:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
C. If they also released information on Trump they weren't trying to help him, if they didn't, how do you know they hacked them.


Because the CIA's job is to uncover these kinds of details. If you had been following the story instead of thinking up new straw men, you would know that this is a pretty big part of what we're talking about.

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
D. This looks more like SOP than trying to help one party over the other.


It probably is Putin's standard operating procedure to hack political parties.

I'm pretty sure your ignorance of this story and politics in general means you think the CIA is exposing Hillary here, though.

This is why paying attention is so important.


just for fun....

http://www.nbcnews.com/widget/video-embed/830279747633

so if this is true....then as originally thought.... this was a partisan hacking of the DNC to help rump.




Musicmystery -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 9:24:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

So now the left is concerned about email hacks. It was no big deal when the Secretary of State had a private server she sent classified messages on and was proven to have been hacked by Russia and China. Noooo, nothing to see here folks.

And frankly, anyone who clicks on unsolicited emails and doesn't know how to use their spam filter should not be working in government.

They deserved to lose, consider it a political Darwin award.


Well, no, you don't have it right. I wanted to know where the outrage and concern was way back when Clinton and the DNC were rigging the primaries -- that's something that should alarm every American.

Now, though, the party that would have been shouting the loudest about foreign intrusion and subversion, especially Russia, is shrugging off foreign intervention in our election. How can ANYONE see that as OK, let alone ignore it?

When the US becomes a province of a foreign country again, this is the event history will point to that made that possible -- when a political party became willing to partner with a foreign power to win elections, rather than work together to resolve differences among Americans.

And I'm just speechless that anyone would not realize this means Russia wants something.

Congratulations. You are now under the control of a foreign power, Comrade.




vincentML -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 9:35:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

What do you consider the criteria for "world power"?
population? GDP? GDP Per capita? the one with the most nukes or ?????
have to know that please


Money & military might.

On that basis France and the UK are more qualified than any of the ten non-permanent nations. Only India is ranked high enough in the linked listing while not at all a member.

GLOBAL FIREPOWER RANKINGS




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