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tamaka -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 9:39:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

So now the left is concerned about email hacks. It was no big deal when the Secretary of State had a private server she sent classified messages on and was proven to have been hacked by Russia and China. Noooo, nothing to see here folks.

And frankly, anyone who clicks on unsolicited emails and doesn't know how to use their spam filter should not be working in government.

They deserved to lose, consider it a political Darwin award.


Well, no, you don't have it right. I wanted to know where the outrage and concern was way back when Clinton and the DNC were rigging the primaries -- that's something that should alarm every American.

Now, though, the party that would have been shouting the loudest about foreign intrusion and subversion, especially Russia, is shrugging off foreign intervention in our election. How can ANYONE see that as OK, let alone ignore it?

When the US becomes a province of a foreign country again, this is the event history will point to that made that possible -- when a political party became willing to partner with a foreign power to win elections, rather than work together to resolve differences among Americans.

And I'm just speechless that anyone would not realize this means Russia wants something.

Congratulations. You are now under the control of a foreign power, Comrade.


Actually it's more like... congratulations, you've just taken a big jump forward toward globalization. Enjoy!




tamaka -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 9:40:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

What do you consider the criteria for "world power"?
population? GDP? GDP Per capita? the one with the most nukes or ?????
have to know that please


Money & military might.

On that basis France and the UK are more qualified than any of the ten non-permanent nations. Only India is ranked high enough in the linked listing while not at all a member.

GLOBAL FIREPOWER RANKINGS


Maybe if they all got together they could count as the 4th.




Lucylastic -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 9:50:34 AM)

yer a dipshit.




Musicmystery -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 9:57:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

So now the left is concerned about email hacks. It was no big deal when the Secretary of State had a private server she sent classified messages on and was proven to have been hacked by Russia and China. Noooo, nothing to see here folks.

And frankly, anyone who clicks on unsolicited emails and doesn't know how to use their spam filter should not be working in government.

They deserved to lose, consider it a political Darwin award.


Well, no, you don't have it right. I wanted to know where the outrage and concern was way back when Clinton and the DNC were rigging the primaries -- that's something that should alarm every American.

Now, though, the party that would have been shouting the loudest about foreign intrusion and subversion, especially Russia, is shrugging off foreign intervention in our election. How can ANYONE see that as OK, let alone ignore it?

When the US becomes a province of a foreign country again, this is the event history will point to that made that possible -- when a political party became willing to partner with a foreign power to win elections, rather than work together to resolve differences among Americans.

And I'm just speechless that anyone would not realize this means Russia wants something.

Congratulations. You are now under the control of a foreign power, Comrade.


Actually it's more like... congratulations, you've just taken a big jump forward toward globalization. Enjoy!


You are bizarrely naive.

Get started here.




BoscoX -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 10:11:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Now, though, the party that would have been shouting the loudest about foreign intrusion and subversion, especially Russia, is shrugging off foreign intervention in our election. How can ANYONE see that as OK, let alone ignore it?


It's 2016. You and the incredibly clueless President Barack Obama and Mitch McConnell and John McSame and every other establishment tool is supposedly shocked by the sudden revelation that hackers exist, they mean to do harm, and that cyber security is for the first time ever a real issue?

We can only hope that not all of you are really so clueless as you seem.

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When the US becomes a province of a foreign country again, this is the event history will point to that made that possible -- when a political party became willing to partner with a foreign power to win elections, rather than work together to resolve differences among Americans.

And I'm just speechless that anyone would not realize this means Russia wants something.

Congratulations. You are now under the control of a foreign power, Comrade.


Drama queen.




Musicmystery -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 10:16:06 AM)

No one "is in shock hacking exists," drama queen.

That a foreign power intervened in the election OUGHT to be a matter of concern, don't you think, Comrade?

And do you think they did it because they were bored one Sunday afternoon, or because there's a agenda that serves their interests?

Take your time. Think it through. You can do this.




BamaD -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 10:25:39 AM)


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C. If they also released information on Trump they weren't trying to help him, if they didn't, how do you know they hacked them.


Because the CIA's job is to uncover these kinds of details. If you had been following the story instead of thinking up new straw men, you would know that this is a pretty big part of what we're talking about.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
D. This looks more like SOP than trying to help one party over the other.


It probably is Putin's standard operating procedure to hack political parties.

I'm pretty sure your ignorance of this story and politics in general means you think the CIA is exposing Hillary here, though.

This is why paying attention is so important.

You were perfet in this post, you misunderstood everything I said.




tamaka -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 10:25:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

No one "is in shock hacking exists," drama queen.

That a foreign power intervened in the election OUGHT to be a matter of concern, don't you think, Comrade?

And do you think they did it because they were bored one Sunday afternoon, or because there's a agenda that serves their interests?

Take your time. Think it through. You can do this.


Just what do you think that agenda is exactly?




tamaka -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 10:27:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

yer a dipshit.


No... i'm a realist.




Musicmystery -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 10:31:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

No one "is in shock hacking exists," drama queen.

That a foreign power intervened in the election OUGHT to be a matter of concern, don't you think, Comrade?

And do you think they did it because they were bored one Sunday afternoon, or because there's a agenda that serves their interests?

Take your time. Think it through. You can do this.


Just what do you think that agenda is exactly?


Answer the questions. You're just dodging. Then go read a little history so you understand the context.




BoscoX -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 10:36:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

No one "is in shock hacking exists," drama queen.

That a foreign power intervened in the election OUGHT to be a matter of concern, don't you think, Comrade?

And do you think they did it because they were bored one Sunday afternoon, or because there's a agenda that serves their interests?

Take your time. Think it through. You can do this.


THANK YOU Senator McCarthy! [sm=rofl.gif]

Here is some more "breaking news" for you - "foreign powers" have been launching cyber attacks and have sent spies and have done everything else possible to assail their enemies (industrial, political and otherwise) since time began. To suggest that this is anything more than the same old same old, and to try to blow it up bigger than what it is, which is that the clueless Democrats around Hillary Clinton were stupid and sloppy and careless fuckwits regarding cyber security and they reaped the rewards that could have been easily foreseen by any part time small company IT / Janitor / Night watchman, is just piling stupidity on more stupidity.

The bottom line is, this is purely a political ploy aimed at undermining President Trump's credibility. Obama promised a smooth transition but what a surprise, he lied again. "OMFG, a fake news site reported that unnamed sources at the CIA are leaking secrets about leaked secrets, everybody keep panicking, I have it on great but unknowable authority that there are reds everywhere"

And fucking morons like you believe it... LOL!!








PeonForHer -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 10:39:07 AM)

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That a foreign power intervened in the election OUGHT to be a matter of concern, don't you think, Comrade?


It's just staggering, looked at from this side of the pond. What is patriotism for, if it's not for standing together against a country that's influencing its elections? What does the word even mean, any more?




tamaka -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 10:41:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

No one "is in shock hacking exists," drama queen.

That a foreign power intervened in the election OUGHT to be a matter of concern, don't you think, Comrade?

And do you think they did it because they were bored one Sunday afternoon, or because there's a agenda that serves their interests?

Take your time. Think it through. You can do this.


Just what do you think that agenda is exactly?


Answer the questions. You're just dodging. Then go read a little history so you understand the context.


What questions do you want me to answer.




tamaka -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 10:43:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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That a foreign power intervened in the election OUGHT to be a matter of concern, don't you think, Comrade?


It's just staggering, looked at from this side of the pond. What is patriotism for, if it's not for standing together against a country that's influencing its elections? What does the word even mean, any more?


Lol.... now the libs want patriotism after they've spent the last decade or more trying to destroy it.




BamaD -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 10:44:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

No one "is in shock hacking exists," drama queen.

That a foreign power intervened in the election OUGHT to be a matter of concern, don't you think, Comrade?

And do you think they did it because they were bored one Sunday afternoon, or because there's a agenda that serves their interests?

Take your time. Think it through. You can do this.


THANK YOU Senator McCarthy! [sm=rofl.gif]

Here is some more "breaking news" for you - "foreign powers" have been launching cyber attacks and have sent spies and have done everything else possible to assail their enemies (industrial, political and otherwise) since time began. To suggest that this is anything more than the same old same old, and to try to blow it up bigger than what it is, which is that the clueless Democrats around Hillary Clinton were stupid and sloppy and careless fuckwits regarding cyber security and they reaped the rewards that could have been easily foreseen by any part time small company IT / Janitor / Night watchman, is just piling stupidity on more stupidity.

The bottom line is, this is purely a political ploy aimed at undermining President Trump's credibility. Obama promised a smooth transition but what a surprise, he lied again. "OMFG, a fake news site reported that unnamed sources at the CIA are leaking secrets about leaked secrets, everybody keep panicking, I have it on great but unknowable authority that there are reds everywhere"

And fucking morons like you believe it... LOL!!






And it is pure chance that this alleged "secret" report was leaked just before the electors vote?
Were the situation reversed we would hear nothing but that this was one last chance to steal the election.




Musicmystery -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 10:57:13 AM)

Here's some breaking news for YOU:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/12/us/politics/mcconnell-supports-inquiry-of-russian-hacking-during-election.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

I suppose the GOP leadership and Senators are now also left-wingers to you nut jobs.

Noting that “the Russians are not our friends,” Mr. McConnell said that he “strongly condemns” foreign hacking

Speaker Paul D. Ryan, in a statement, was even more forceful and said he supported an investigation in the House as well. “As I’ve said before, any foreign intervention in our elections is entirely unacceptable. And any intervention by Russia is especially problematic because, under President Putin, Russia has been an aggressor that consistently undermines American interests,” the statement said.

Mr. McCain said on Monday that there was “no doubt about the hacking” by Russian intelligence services and called for a wide-ranging investigation by congressional committees into Russian meddling. Mr. McCain called hacking of the Democratic National Committee and related accounts “another form of warfare”

Republican Senators Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Marco Rubio of Florida have both expressed concern about the reports of cyberattacks, as have numerous Democrats.

“Being a ‘friend of Vladimir’ is not an attribute I am hoping for from a #SecretaryOfState” Mr. Rubio wrote in a post on Twitter, an apparent reference to Rex W. Tillerson, the chief executive of Exxon Mobil, who is considered the front-runner to be Mr. Trump’s nominee for secretary of state.




PeonForHer -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 10:57:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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That a foreign power intervened in the election OUGHT to be a matter of concern, don't you think, Comrade?


It's just staggering, looked at from this side of the pond. What is patriotism for, if it's not for standing together against a country that's influencing its elections? What does the word even mean, any more?


Lol.... now the libs want patriotism after they've spent the last decade or more trying to destroy it.



So, you *don't* see the need for patriotism now, then, tamaka?




tamaka -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 11:05:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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That a foreign power intervened in the election OUGHT to be a matter of concern, don't you think, Comrade?


It's just staggering, looked at from this side of the pond. What is patriotism for, if it's not for standing together against a country that's influencing its elections? What does the word even mean, any more?


Lol.... now the libs want patriotism after they've spent the last decade or more trying to destroy it.



So, you *don't* see the need for patriotism now, then, tamaka?



I didn't say that. I do think it's funny that now that they've done their damnest to break any patriotic spirit here, suddenly they want everyone to be patriotic regarding this situation. Just like children they want their cake and eat it too.

Honestly, i think a lot of Americans like the strength that Putin projects and they've somewhat admired him and want something similar to that kind of projected strength here.




Musicmystery -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 11:09:39 AM)

And honestly, you're just making shit up.




PeonForHer -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/12/2016 11:10:32 AM)

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Just like children they want their cake and eat it too.


Strewth. I should have thought that the most childish thing of all would be to rehash old arguments rather than get together as a nation to protect yourself against the clear interference of a country as powerful as Russia in something as vital as your electoral processes. I mean, surely ... this makes Watergate look like chicken feed, doesn't it?




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