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At least poor reading comprehension hasn't changed.

Or the lack of basic knowledge of the effects of a long-term drop in demand on supply.

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I'm pretty sure you read everything with a biased, partisan eye with no regard for data.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/01/without-obama-once-booming-gun-industry-poised-to-shrink.html

. . . Unless FOX News has become a "leftist news rag."

the .22LR round jumped from 5¢ a round in 2007 to 12¢ a round in 2012, because demand was so high.
Demand was high because people thought Obama would ban fire arms or ammunition... so fearful people opened their wallets.
Now that Obama is out, the fear has subsided, and in turn demand is shrinking - so too will the price per unit...

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That's possible. It's also possible that with declining demand, fewer suppliers can compete, again restricting the supply.

Also, prices drop more slowly than they rise. Moving inventory via pricing also mean cutting into margin, and on fewer units, that's a loss of profit.

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That's possible. It's also possible that with declining demand, fewer suppliers can compete, again restricting the supply.

Also, prices drop more slowly than they rise. Moving inventory via pricing also mean cutting into margin, and on fewer units, that's a loss of profit.

A little known fact is that Ammunition does have a shelf-life. it does eventually go bad and needs to be discarded.

So they can't just simply sit on massive unsold inventory which potentially drowns out future production (like what happened with the Car Industry). There is a time-limit for this ammo to be sold, thus resulting in a much quicker shift in price loss then you would see for most other consumer product.

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That's possible. It's also possible that with declining demand, fewer suppliers can compete, again restricting the supply.

Also, prices drop more slowly than they rise. Moving inventory via pricing also mean cutting into margin, and on fewer units, that's a loss of profit.

A little known fact is that Ammunition does have a shelf-life. it does eventually go bad and needs to be discarded.

So they can't just simply sit on massive unsold inventory which potentially drowns out future production (like what happened with the Car Industry). There is a time-limit for this ammo to be sold, thus resulting in a much quicker shift in price loss then you would see for most other consumer product.

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Yes and there is a secret plot now between Trump and the Russians to smuggle in AK-47's for sale to right wing hooligans. George Bush is in on it too.

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Without Obama, once-booming gun industry poised to shrink
(Down 17% this year)
(FOX News)

President Trump's election appears to be negatively affecting gun sales in the U.S. and the bubble appears to be bursting despite a staunch advocate for gun rights in the White House and Republicans ruling Congress.

"President Obama was the best gun salesman the world has ever seen," Karl Sorken, a production manager at Battle Rifle Co. in Houston. Sorken is an Army veteran and self-described liberal who voted for Obama and notes the change for the industry under Trump is a topic of conversation in the shop.

Fears of government limits on guns -- some real, some perceived -- led to a surge in demand during Obama's tenure and manufacturers leapt to keep up. Over the decade ending in 2015, the number of U.S. companies licensed to make firearms jumped 362 percent.
"The trends really almost since Election Day or election night have been that gun sales have slacked off," said Robert Spitzer, political science department chairman at State University of New York at Cortland. "When you take away Barack Obama and you give the Republicans control of both houses of Congress, which is extremely friendly to the gun lobby, then the political pressure subsides. And that surely is at least a key part of the explanation for the drop-off in sales."

The Washington Post reported that the FBI conducted about 500,000 fewer background checks in December 2016 then in 2015. Gun sales this year have reportedly dropped about 17 percent.

From 2004 to 2013, sales of all handguns -- pistols and revolvers -- increased nearly fivefold, according to industry figures. Sales of rifles tripled in that timeframe

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President Trump's election appears to be negatively affecting gun sales in the U.S. and the bubble appears to be bursting despite a staunch advocate for gun rights in the White House and Republicans ruling Congress.

Hail Trump! Good job! Keeping gun sales down! This means, Less Guns.

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According to gunbelts.com, shelf life of modern Ammo can be quite a while:

Ammo Shelf Life: How Long Are Bullets Good For? Ammo Shelf Life: How Long Are Bullets Good For? Sep 12, 2016

Is There Such A Thing As Ammunition Shelf Life?

One might wonder if there is such a thing as ammunition shelf life. It's a good concern to have, as ammunition should only be used if one can rely on it to be safe. Granted, one might opine that if a person keeping sufficient ammunition to worry about expiring is probably not doing enough point shooting!

Ammo Shelf Life Is Relative

The truth is that ammo shelf life is somewhat relative. Under ideal conditions, ammunition will actually keep for decades - in fact, in the right conditions...ammunition could potentially last longer than that. Believe it or not, there are a few things that affect how long ammunition or basically any other non-perishable good that people tend to stockpile, and for that matter, perishable goods as well. Those things are heat, moisture and sunlight. Outside of perishable goods that require refrigeration or freezing, long term storage in a dry, dark and moderate temperature environment will keep a lot of things nearly indefinitely - certain adult beverages (wine cellars are a thing for a reason), canned or jarred goods, and bullets will all keep for an incredibly long time in such storage. With more exacting control over these elements, such as if one uses a humidor or other humidity-controlled containment system, then bullets can last even longer. If stored in a vacuum-sealed container and left in a dark, dry place...it would be good basically forever.

That said, how much ammunition that is currently being held by people who have purchased it is being stored in a dark, temperature and humidity controlled container? Not much, in all likelihood; not many people will entertain the idea of having a bullet humidor. Therefore, the shelf life of ammo is relative, namely to how well it's stored by the person who bought it.

General Ammunition Shelf Life in Basic Conditions

For modern munitions, ammunition shelf life is perfectly sufficient for the average person to keep parcels of ammunition for years, if not decades in all likelihood. So long as the rounds aren't subjected to high heat or moisture, nothing is likely to happen. Most ammo manufacturers advise that their ammunition should be good for ten years. In reality, it will keep longer. How many people keep ammunition for a decade or longer, though? However, the target shooter and concealed carrier is somewhat different than the hunter and outdoorsman. The latter takes to the outdoors and deals with inclement weather, whilst the former might not. In fact, a good deal of self-defense ammo will only be in a magazine or a box. A rifle round or shotgun shell for the big game hunter and fowler can get rained on, momentarily submerged and so on. Water, and more to the point oxygen, has a pesky habit of permeating the molecular bonds of things. Oxygen is kind of like the guy at parties who randomly inserts himself into conversations; it makes things bad for everyone. When oxygen happens to iron, you get iron oxides, one of which - red iron oxide - is rust, and that's just bad. When it happens to brass or other types of ammunition casing, the result can be rust, corrosion, or at the very least a deactivated primer.

Ammunition Rotation

Though the shelf life of bullets is nearly forever, given the right circumstances, the person who buys the ammunition should treat it according to how it's used. There is also something to be said about rotation of ammo stores. Ammunition that's basically just for burning at the range merely needs storage in moisture-free, safe place. However, hunting rounds are another matter. If never taken afield, store normally. Rounds that have gone into the field and were subjected to any moisture at all, should be fired as soon possible, if otherwise discarded. Ammunition that's been carried in one's concealed carry gun for some time should also be occasionally expended at the range and new rounds rotated in. A number of good reasons exist for doing so - exposure to the elements, indentations from the feed ramp, excess lubrication if present can all negatively impact carry ammunition. It's a good idea to shoot the rounds one carries a few times a year to rotate it out. Besides, you should practice with carry rounds - that way you know how they perform compared to hardball.

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That's possible. It's also possible that with declining demand, fewer suppliers can compete, again restricting the supply.

Also, prices drop more slowly than they rise. Moving inventory via pricing also mean cutting into margin, and on fewer units, that's a loss of profit.

A little known fact is that Ammunition does have a shelf-life. it does eventually go bad and needs to be discarded.

So they can't just simply sit on massive unsold inventory which potentially drowns out future production (like what happened with the Car Industry). There is a time-limit for this ammo to be sold, thus resulting in a much quicker shift in price loss then you would see for most other consumer product.

It degrades, but it's good for a long while before it goes off, surely?

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

At least poor reading comprehension hasn't changed.

Or the lack of basic knowledge of the effects of a long-term drop in demand on supply.