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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/1/2017 1:12:35 PM   
WickedsDesire


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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/1/2017 3:09:14 PM   
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At least poor reading comprehension hasn't changed.
Or the lack of basic knowledge of the effects of a long-term drop in demand on supply.


Short-term, however, there may be some real deals that can be taken advantage of, no?


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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/1/2017 3:51:07 PM   
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I'm pretty sure you read everything with a biased, partisan eye with no regard for data.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/01/without-obama-once-booming-gun-industry-poised-to-shrink.html

. . . Unless FOX News has become a "leftist news rag."


I'm pretty sure your sarcasm detector is off because I made it up.

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/1/2017 3:55:21 PM   
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Now that the usual 2nd grade recess contingent and the leftist news attribution silliness are settled . . .

I maintained this since the election -- Obama was the gun industry's best friend, because the NRA went "Panic" and wallets opened, predictably and again and again, sheep led to the cash register.

Now they'll need a new boogy man to prop up gun sales.

After all, there are already more guns than people in the US, so they need to invent demand.


Same thing happened during 8 years of Clinton. Same thing would have happened with Clinton the evil bitch. And trust me, we don't want another boogeyman.

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/1/2017 4:12:13 PM   
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Now I am wondering how many bullets the average Americashire gun jackal has....or do they have a gun for every bullet

Right tell all you with the guns I am curious how many guns you jackals own and how many bullets? Or are you (gun owners) going to go to the loo and shit your pants whilst polishing your guns


I have 2 hand guns and 2 single shot bolt action rifles.
200 rounds for my handgun (I shoot at the range more than she does)
60 rounds for the handgun Kay prefers, split between target bullets and personal protection bullets (we need to replace what she spent at the range. )
500 rounds for the rifles.

I polish my silver. The guns I clean and put away. What I do in the loo is nun ya.




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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/1/2017 7:00:02 PM   
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Right tell all you with the guns I am curious how many guns you jackals own and how many bullets?


Forty-three firearms, including black powder. All total for all types and calibers, a little over five thousand rounds.

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire
Or are you (gun owners) going to go to the loo and shit your pants whilst polishing your guns


What an odd thing to wonder about, but that's one of the reasons I enjoy reading your posts. That, and keeping up with the latest antics of your cats.

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/1/2017 10:38:43 PM   
WyrdRich


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Status: offline 		Well, yeah. It's kind of a Duh, really.

CA is still CA, though. I bought the wife a 9mm for our anniversary (hey, fuck off, I think it's a very romantic gift. With my ex, I wouldn't have a gun in the house, much less give her her own). Went out to pick up some plinkers right after the election and shelves were bare. CA passed a law requiring a background check for ammo purchases that takes effect in 2018, and enough people panicked.

Tell us Muse, since you want to talk about jobs, how many people do you think work in a typical company that makes aftermarket upper receivers for an Armalite style .223? What sort of skills do you suppose those employees have? No googling now.

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/2/2017 2:13:42 AM   
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Well, yeah. It's kind of a Duh, really.

CA is still CA, though. I bought the wife a 9mm for our anniversary (hey, fuck off, I think it's a very romantic gift. With my ex, I wouldn't have a gun in the house, much less give her her own). Went out to pick up some plinkers right after the election and shelves were bare. CA passed a law requiring a background check for ammo purchases that takes effect in 2018, and enough people panicked.

Tell us Muse, since you want to talk about jobs, how many people do you think work in a typical company that makes aftermarket upper receivers for an Armalite style .223? What sort of skills do you suppose those employees have? No googling now.


solved the mistery people in usa buy gun in mass when they think it's the last time they can do it and just do normal purchases when there is a gun friendly governament.

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/2/2017 6:23:49 AM   
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the .22LR round jumped from 5¢ a round in 2007 to 12¢ a round in 2012, because demand was so high.



Tell us miss-infoman what part of that increase was due to inflation and what part was due to the 'fear factor'?


A little known fact is that Ammunition does have a shelf-life.

The shelf life of humans is shorter dumbass. The military is still using ammo made before world war 2.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/2/2017 6:26:57 AM   
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Well, yeah. It's kind of a Duh, really.

CA is still CA, though. I bought the wife a 9mm for our anniversary (hey, fuck off, I think it's a very romantic gift. With my ex, I wouldn't have a gun in the house, much less give her her own). Went out to pick up some plinkers right after the election and shelves were bare. CA passed a law requiring a background check for ammo purchases that takes effect in 2018, and enough people panicked.

Tell us Muse, since you want to talk about jobs, how many people do you think work in a typical company that makes aftermarket upper receivers for an Armalite style .223? What sort of skills do you suppose those employees have? No googling now.

That aint just ca. 9mm is damn hard to get a hold of. So many at the start of the hysteria bought 9mm, and you are fighting the military for those rounds as well as most of the civil govt. better off with a .40 although now people are running to that so thats gonna be weak.
I dunno. even .45ACP is hard to get time to time. Nobody likes .38 en masse, near as I can tell.



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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/2/2017 6:28:27 AM   
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Forty-three firearms, including black powder. All total for all types and calibers, a little over five thousand rounds.


Let's assume for a moment that you have 5000 rounds for your primary self defense weapon.
That is about enough ammo for a three hour firefight.

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/2/2017 6:28:36 AM   
InfoMan


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Good point. I didn't know that.

How long is that shelf-life?


For an individual consumer - it probably will never be a problem. Most people have only a couple of boxes of bullets which are in a Safe or top shelf of a closet or cabinet. Because the house is usually temperature and humidity controlled, bullets for them should live beyond their 10 year shelf-life which manufacturers describe their bullets have. However going past that 10 year mark that's when you start getting misfires and squib loads (powder doesn't burn enough to eject the bullet - gets stuck in the barrel - next bullet fired hits it and the gun explodes in your hands)

But large scale storage is a completely different story. Manufacturers have Billions of rounds produced for a variety of calibers and weapons... that is just simply too many rounds to store on the top shelf.

You have millions of rounds just sitting in Cargo Containers


or Stacked in poorly ventilated Warehouses with little to no environmental control.


And if these bullets don't get sold - they don't get shot - and in the conditions shown - they will go bad very quickly... and the threat that they will not fire or explode in your gun increases exponentially because of the conditions they are stored in. It gets to the point that their reliability gets called into question - and not even the Military is willing to use them.

A few years back there was an article about the Pentagon getting into trouble because they wanted to destroy some 1 Billion dollars worth of unused ammunition because it went bad...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/04/27/pentagon-ammunition-sen-tom-carper-gao-waste/8145729/


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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/2/2017 6:59:53 AM   
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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/2/2017 7:05:33 AM   
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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/2/2017 7:14:49 AM   
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at least we can finally get 22lr again.


Yep, had a helluva time finding any 22 ammo. Everybody was sold out and they didn't know when or if they would be getting more..

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/2/2017 7:40:04 AM   
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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/2/2017 8:04:11 AM   
InfoMan


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Tell us miss-infoman what part of that increase was due to inflation and what part was due to the 'fear factor'?


a 250% jump in price due to inflation over a 5 year period?
I'm not sure if you understand how inflation works... But on average - you're looking at a below 2% inflation rate yearly during that time period... at most - inflation would account for less then 10% price increase... which at 5 cents a bullet - would still be ~5 cents a bullet.


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The shelf life of humans is shorter dumbass. The military is still using ammo made before world war 2.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


Really... What ammunition exactly?

I am interested to know what ammo we use which was made before world war 2 considering that a majority of our guns no longer fire those caliber of munitions...

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/2/2017 9:38:44 AM   
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Well, yeah. It's kind of a Duh, really.

CA is still CA, though. I bought the wife a 9mm for our anniversary (hey, fuck off, I think it's a very romantic gift. With my ex, I wouldn't have a gun in the house, much less give her her own). Went out to pick up some plinkers right after the election and shelves were bare. CA passed a law requiring a background check for ammo purchases that takes effect in 2018, and enough people panicked.

Tell us Muse, since you want to talk about jobs, how many people do you think work in a typical company that makes aftermarket upper receivers for an Armalite style .223? What sort of skills do you suppose those employees have? No googling now.

Well,no Rich, it isn't a topic about jobs. It's data that supports a hypothesis that a lot of the gun market is driven by irrational fear stirred up by the gun lobby. If you want to go off on related tangents, you might compare it to the mania about muslims pouring over our borders so we need a wall that won't actually do much.

From there we speculated about the economics of those gun purchase trend and possible market consequences. I didn't mention jobs once. But sure, jobs are a possible effect of those changes, so if you want to talk about that, fine.

Skills are transferable, first. If more to the point, a declining domestic market and excess inventory doesn't mean the end . The US sells arms globally, even funding both sides of conflicts at times,. Taxpayers will end up buying guns, one way or another. And, certainly gun enthusiasts aren't done collecting.

I'm also,btw,not in favor of "saving" jobs. Detroit 'a auto dominance is not coming back, ever, because we have a glut of cars, because there's significant foreign competition, because markets today are global, and because automation has permanently replaced many manufacturing jobs. Retraining workers for new industries makes far more sense. Labor markets change along with product markets.

Whether I have or haven't specific knowledge on the skills needed to manufacture a specific product is irrelevant to all those points. If your point is just "well I know things you don't," that's hardly surprising...I suspect there are many such things, just as you likely don't know the details of my areas of expertise.

*shrug*

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/2/2017 9:50:30 AM   
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As for ammo going bad, the US military has god knows how many rounds of 5.56, .30, .50 left over from the Vietnam era as well as some older.

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RE: FOX: Trump bad for gun sales - 4/2/2017 10:57:41 AM   
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