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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/22/2017 12:11:54 PM   
heavyblinker


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
There you are. Back to one of your two arguments. Anyone that doesn't agree with you is stupid. That's all you have.


I didn't say that about anyone who disagrees with me, I said it about you.

I know how power works-- the people who have power get to make the rules.
But you can't seem to comprehend that not every decision that limits your 'freedoms' in some way is bad.

The easy availability of guns in America as a whole contributes to gun violence-- that's my point.

You haven't even bothered to argue against it and have jumped on the standard dull-as-shit 'muh freedom'/'you're a socialist fascist' narrative.
You haven't even dressed said narrative up in interesting language-- just repeated it verbatim, mindlessly accepting it as an axiom.

It's really boring.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/22/2017 12:19:55 PM   
bounty44


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Hang on to your kotex nancy, heres the news, the world does not owe your special brand of retardation any particular respect or protocol. You felchgobble factless putinjizz and so that is what you offer retard, and you expect what back imbecile?


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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/22/2017 12:23:59 PM   
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Hang on to your kotex nancy, heres the news, the world does not owe your special brand of retardation any particular respect or protocol. You felchgobble factless putinjizz and so that is what you offer retard, and you expect what back imbecile?

Lol, felchgobble mental patient.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/22/2017 12:25:19 PM   
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There you are. Back to one of your two arguments. Anyone that doesn't agree with you is stupid. That's all you have.


I didn't say that about anyone who disagrees with me, I said it about you.

I know how power works-- the people who have power get to make the rules.
But you can't seem to comprehend that not every decision that limits your 'freedoms' in some way is bad.

The easy availability of guns in America as a whole contributes to gun violence-- that's my point.

You haven't even bothered to argue against it and have jumped on the standard dull-as-shit 'muh freedom'/'you're a socialist fascist' narrative.
You haven't even dressed said narrative up in interesting language-- just repeated it verbatim, mindlessly accepting it as an axiom.

It's really boring.

Good, you're bored. So go away.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/22/2017 12:29:16 PM   
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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/22/2017 12:33:59 PM   
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Hang on to your kotex nancy, heres the news, the world does not owe your special brand of retardation any particular respect or protocol. You felchgobble factless putinjizz and so that is what you offer retard, and you expect what back imbecile?

Lol, felchgobble mental patient.

Cockgargle on, Nancy you institutionalized retarded sock.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/22/2017 12:44:47 PM   
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You are clearly unaware of the fact that a gun dealer has to account for every one of their firearms to ATF, those who sell them illegally do keep their liscense long and go to jail. And again any firearms obtained this way are obtained illegally, so we have that one covered by law as well.


Oh, so I guess criminals aren't getting guns at all because the law is apparently stopping them.

That's good to know.

You know I didn't say that, I want those laws enforced. But you want to penalize the legitimate owners, cut the avaliability sounds so nutral but what it means is nail the legitimate owners and hope it trickels down to the criminals. That worked so well in DC.


If it's simply bringing the US in line with every other country in the world that doesn't have mass shootings on a constant basis, is it really 'penalizing' people?
I don't understand why guns are so important to you... you're seriously acting like it's the same thing as taking away your right to vote or get an education.
You're addicted to feeling powerful, that's all-- you're sicker, not safer.

Gun control isn't going to work unless it's nationwide... I've said this.
It's not really gun control if someone can drive for 3 hours and easily pick up a gun to bring back and use in a crime.

It isn't trickle down if you reduce the overall supply.
Trickle down is what happens now-- you give some people unlimited access to guns and those guns trickle down into the hands of people who shouldn't be able to get them.

No doubt you beleave you fantasis about unlimited acsess to firearm, but it doesn't exist.
You still want to penalize the honest people in the hopes of slowing down the criminals.
When DC banned guns the murder rate with firearms stayed about the same. However since the honest people were disarmed the increaase in the murder rate with all other weapons caused the murder rate to double. A futher flaw in the fantasy is that if guns caused crime why are the crime rate in the places where you like to believe have unlimited acsess so much lower than those with tight control.
Yes , it is trikle down, you take them from honest people in the hopes that eventually afeccts the bad ones. You have yet to come up with a suggestion that goes after anyone who doesn't obey th law.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/22/2017 2:28:29 PM   
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In a previous post you mentioned the easy availability of guns, while also mentioning that going after the manufacturers would play a part in helping reduce the availability...

My point about the U.K. Being 3rd on the list of arms manufacturers was addressing the larger picture (which you originally brought up).

Your saying so what if the U.K. Profits.... while saying, Americans need to give up their guns, comes across as hypocritical.

You admit manufacturers need to be addressed, then dismiss them while callously shrugging off your own countries culpability.

Yes, easy availability of guns is an issue. Loss of life is an issue. Gun controls need to be enforced . The problem is multifaceted, with people who oppose guns insisting that all we need to do is just hand in our guns.

Let me ask you this. If a majority of your citizens were faced with an economic or natural disaster to the extent your chain of supply was cut off and your grocery stores out of stock, how hard or easy would it be for your citizens to attain hunting rifles, know how to use them and be able to stock your pantries with food for an extended period of time?

If you hand over your means of independence and lose your knowledge of how to provide for yourself - then you are left with the hope that your government is capable and willing to step in.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/22/2017 2:38:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Hang on to your kotex nancy, heres the news, the world does not owe your special brand of retardation any particular respect or protocol. You felchgobble factless putinjizz and so that is what you offer retard, and you expect what back imbecile?


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no doubt completely lost on the mnottertroll.



Not lost on me at all dogshit44, it is what you do, its who you are you spew factless putinjizz, like the many hundreds of FBI agents quitting and all your other townhall felchgobbling and felchgobbling of judge nappie? (wheres he at?) judge jeannie, and of course trace it all back to Joey the D, your font of felch and putinjizz, no, we all get the irony here, dogshit44.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/22/2017 3:40:24 PM   
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@HeavyBlinker

In a previous post you mentioned the easy availability of guns, while also mentioning that going after the manufacturers would play a part in helping reduce the availability...

My point about the U.K. Being 3rd on the list of arms manufacturers was addressing the larger picture (which you originally brought up).

Your saying so what if the U.K. Profits.... while saying, Americans need to give up their guns, comes across as hypocritical.

You admit manufacturers need to be addressed, then dismiss them while callously shrugging off your own countries culpability.

Yes, easy availability of guns is an issue. Loss of life is an issue. Gun controls need to be enforced . The problem is multifaceted, with people who oppose guns insisting that all we need to do is just hand in our guns.

Let me ask you this. If a majority of your citizens were faced with an economic or natural disaster to the extent your chain of supply was cut off and your grocery stores out of stock, how hard or easy would it be for your citizens to attain hunting rifles, know how to use them and be able to stock your pantries with food for an extended period of time?

If you hand over your means of independence and lose your knowledge of how to provide for yourself - then you are left with the hope that your government is capable and willing to step in.


The idea of gun control is that people need to depend on the goverment.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/22/2017 3:45:20 PM   
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Hang on to your kotex nancy, heres the news, the world does not owe your special brand of retardation any particular respect or protocol. You felchgobble factless putinjizz and so that is what you offer retard, and you expect what back imbecile?


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no doubt completely lost on the mnottertroll.



Not lost on me at all dogshit44, it is what you do, its who you are you spew factless putinjizz, like the many hundreds of FBI agents quitting and all your other townhall felchgobbling and felchgobbling of judge nappie? (wheres he at?) judge jeannie, and of course trace it all back to Joey the D, your font of felch and putinjizz, no, we all get the irony here, dogshit44.



why dont you two get a fucking room already?

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/22/2017 11:07:53 PM   
heavyblinker


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@HeavyBlinker

In a previous post you mentioned the easy availability of guns, while also mentioning that going after the manufacturers would play a part in helping reduce the availability...

My point about the U.K. Being 3rd on the list of arms manufacturers was addressing the larger picture (which you originally brought up).

Your saying so what if the U.K. Profits.... while saying, Americans need to give up their guns, comes across as hypocritical.

You admit manufacturers need to be addressed, then dismiss them while callously shrugging off your own countries culpability.

Yes, easy availability of guns is an issue. Loss of life is an issue. Gun controls need to be enforced . The problem is multifaceted, with people who oppose guns insisting that all we need to do is just hand in our guns.

Let me ask you this. If a majority of your citizens were faced with an economic or natural disaster to the extent your chain of supply was cut off and your grocery stores out of stock, how hard or easy would it be for your citizens to attain hunting rifles, know how to use them and be able to stock your pantries with food for an extended period of time?

If you hand over your means of independence and lose your knowledge of how to provide for yourself - then you are left with the hope that your government is capable and willing to step in.


I was talking about the easy availability of guns in the US.
I'm not defending the manufacture of weapons for use abroad, I just don't think it's relevant to a discussion on gun crime in the US.
So what do you want me to say? They shouldn't do it? Yes, obviously it's not something I support. I'm not shrugging it off, I just don't want to get away from what we're actually talking about.
I'm also not British.

I've also already told you that your hunting rifle isn't the problem, so why are you still talking about the collapse of society and such?

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/22/2017 11:09:28 PM   
heavyblinker


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The idea of gun control is that people need to depend on the goverment.


Yes, sort of like how murder is illegal so that people will have to depend on the government to protect them from murderers.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 5:46:27 AM   
Musicmystery


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The idea of gun control is that people need to depend on the goverment.

People depend on the government for multiple things:

- roads and bridges
- postal service
- Internet
- military
- law and order (which is where gun control would fit)
- fiscal/monetary policy
- environmental protection
- food safety
- work place safety
- child labor laws

...just as a start. And that wall and stricter immigration y'all want? Government.
Abortion restrictions? Government.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 8:32:10 AM   
WinsomeDefiance


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Status: offline 		Yes, the government. We depend on the government. Which is good and right when depending on a functioning well run government. After all, our government is designed to be made up of its people working for its people. A functional government is one that serves and meets those needs of the people.

I'm not politically savvy, nor particularly good at debate, what I am is observant, and I see a corrupt and bloated government that is sluggish (at best) in fulfilling its duties to the people. So, how does a citizen, who sees that she may very well not be able to depend on the foundation her country relies on, do?

I see top heavy corporations, and an unstable economy and a world that grows increasingly angry and hostile toward Americans.

Now, keep in mind that I'm a very lawful minded and patriotic person. If I'm becoming jaded, then consider how the majority of citizens are feeling- many of whom are not so lawfully minded.

If we the people cling to a right built into our government, for the purpose of protecting the people from the very thing we are seeing happening - then you can begin to understand that the problem is manufacturers (Corporations) and frustrated, angry, people who have lost their voice to the roar of the political machine ruled by corruption.

Now, toss statistics and numbers at those people and say, just give up your guns - and most of them are going to look at you as if you've grown a third eyeball.

Yes, easy availability of guns contribute to the increased probability of accident and criminals having access to guns. A corrupt government and unstable economy breeds an environment of poverty that inevitably leads to an increased probability of people committing crimes. Increased crime and lack of confidence in the government leads to a high probability of law abiding citizens coming to the conclusion that they need to protect themselves.

As a gun owner, I feel all those things. I only differ, so far as I can tell, is I believe that there isn't anything I own worth dying or killing for. The only thing I feel is worth killing for (including animals for meat) are my family, friends and yes my country.

Oh, and my apologies to HeavyBlinker for assuming you are from the U.K.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 8:37:41 AM   
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Total NRA fantasy, great for fundraising.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 8:39:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
The idea of gun control is that people need to depend on the goverment.

People depend on the government for multiple things:

- roads and bridges
- postal service
- Internet
- military
- law and order (which is where gun control would fit)
- fiscal/monetary policy
- environmental protection
- food safety
- work place safety
- child labor laws

...just as a start. And that wall and stricter immigration y'all want? Government.
Abortion restrictions? Government.

Yea, that's right. If the government wasnt there I could build my own bridge across the bay between Oakland and San Francisco, deliver my own letter to my grandmother on the other side of the country, ensure all of my food that comes from Mexico or Argentina was clean and wouldn't have to wait an hour after calling 911 for a cop to show up when people are on my property shooting anything in sight while drinking beer and doing drugs. It makes sense to me.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 8:44:05 AM   
Nnanji


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Except that no one is saying give up your guns.

Total NRA fantasy, great for fundraising.

Right...


http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/257172-hillary-australia-style-gun-control-worth-looking-at

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 8:49:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Except that no one is saying give up your guns.

Total NRA fantasy, great for fundraising.


More cartoonish delusions on your part

Clinton's platform targets gun rights

Obama Tells CNN His Greatest Regret Was Failure to Secure More Gun Control

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 8:53:42 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		1) Exactly. Everyone still has their guns, and Obama is history.

2) Gun control doesn't automatically equal "give me your guns"

So yeah. NRA Fantasy -- and great for fundraising. And for gun sales! 5x normal over the past 8 years.

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