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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 10:38:26 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Have all the fears you want.

Give the NRA all the money you want.

Buy all the guns and ammo you want. This is America.

But still, nobody's taking guns away. Even the DC law in 75 didn't take any guns away.

It's your money. Be as gullible as you like.

Reality is -- spreading the fear of this is good for fundraising and good for firearms industry business.

5X increase in the last 8 years along! And no guns taken.

Enjoy the ride you're being taken on.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 10:44:12 AM   
BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Have all the fears you want.

Give the NRA all the money you want.

Buy all the guns and ammo you want. This is America.

But still, nobody's taking guns away. Even the DC law in 75 didn't take any guns away.

It's your money. Be as gullible as you like.

Reality is -- spreading the fear of this is good for fundraising and good for firearms industry business.

5X increase in the last 8 years along! And no guns taken.

Enjoy the ride you're being taken on.



Typical straw man stupidity

Flailing about like a madman, attacking other posters "fears' etc because you cannot address the actual posts

And yes, guns really were taken away - that's why they called it a "ban"

Tip - try looking up those big words that you don't understand

(Sad)

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 10:48:11 AM   
Musicmystery


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But it's no straw man:

- no one came for your guns
- no one's coming now
- NRA fundraising is thriving on the fear some one is coming
- gun sales are 5X what they were 8 years ago

That's just data. Flat out actual reality.

Sorry it bugs you so.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 10:54:35 AM   
Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Have all the fears you want.

Give the NRA all the money you want.

Buy all the guns and ammo you want. This is America.

But still, nobody's taking guns away. Even the DC law in 75 didn't take any guns away.

It's your money. Be as gullible as you like.

Reality is -- spreading the fear of this is good for fundraising and good for firearms industry business.

5X increase in the last 8 years along! And no guns taken.

Enjoy the ride you're being taken on.

One day, suddenly, Al Gore became all gun grabber. Because of that alone he lost his state in the presidential election which lost him the presidency. Then, all of a sudden lefties began to ignore gun grabbing, because, as we know, they are only concerned with winning power and not any policy per se. So, it was actually a surprise to me when Clinton(the rape apologist) started to go all gun grabby. But, after reflection, she was having to move to the left to compete with Bernie and what other mass appeal is there for the left, besides abortion? So it's very obvious that the alt-left and leftie politicians know there is an active, ardent, gun grabber consensus. To say there isn't is a dishonest misdirection. Everyone...well most observant people, can see it. It doesn't take the NRA to point it out. However, I will give you that the NRA heavily markets it. I imagine it would be similar on the left if the right decided it wanted to ban granola or those funny shoes they wear to shop for their vegan kale.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 11:00:20 AM   
Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

It's your money. Spend it how you like.

But it's no straw man:

- no one came for your guns
- no one's coming now
- NRA fundraising is thriving on the fear some one is coming
- gun sales are 5X what they were 8 years ago

That's just data. Flat out actual reality.

Sorry it bugs you so.

That's simply not true. I have guns in my safe that were at one time perfectly legal to own that my state would now put me in jail for. They didn't actually grab my guns. Well, one gun, they did send me an addressed FedEx box and demanded I surrender the gun to them. I actually got two other letters from the AG, demanding the gun, which threatened me with jail if I didn't turn it in. But, if I show up at any gun range with any of those gun, which I legally purchased, off to jail I'd go, the guns would be taken and destroyed and I'd lose everything. So, you just ain't factually correct at all.

Oh, and if you read the link I provided above, it'll show you that you're not factually correct about the increase in gun sales nationwide.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 11:00:24 AM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		So, Il Douchovitch (the child rapist) isn't a gun grabber. Who though is a gun grabber? Who is trying to actually take guns away?



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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 11:02:13 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		I'm saying simply that it hasn't happened and isn't going to happen, as your explanation helps demonstrate.

Hell, the NRA even called ME -- first thing, "as a hunter, aren't you worried the government is blah blah blah" before I say anything except hello.

By the way, more guns were sold in 2016 than any year in history
http://freebeacon.com/issues/guns-sold-2016-year-history/

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 11:04:40 AM   
Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I'm saying simply that it hasn't happened and isn't going to happen, as your explanation helps demonstrate.

Hell, the NRA even called ME -- first thing, "as a hunter, aren't you worried the government is blah blah blah" before I say anything except hello.

Actually, I provided you two quotes that show your wrong. Are you just going to ignore them and choose to remain ignit?

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 11:07:57 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Honestly? I just don't particularly care about this.

People will keep whining the government is coming, the guns will keep staying with gunners, the NRA will keep using fear of losing guns to raise a ton of money, and gun/ammo sales will continue to be strong.

The rest is just trolls with nothing better to do -- whichever side they're on.

Meanwhile, you post links "refuting" this that state gun sales are higher than ever (expanding markets).

Fear is good for business.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 11:08:08 AM   
Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I'm saying simply that it hasn't happened and isn't going to happen, as your explanation helps demonstrate.


By the way, more guns were sold in 2016 than any year in history
http://freebeacon.com/issues/guns-sold-2016-year-history/

Sure, I didn't get a Prepaid FedEx box and a threat from the state AG demanding my gun and you just don't want to acknowledge this:

http://www.guns.com/2017/06/21/nssf-gun-sales-up-because-all-are-welcome/

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 11:10:16 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		You still have it. And you aren't in jail.

As for sales up, I've "acknowledged" it several times -- by pointing it out. Jesus. Read.

Markets are expanding. I get it. Fear is good for business.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 11:16:55 AM   
BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I'm saying simply that it hasn't happened and isn't going to happen, as your explanation helps demonstrate.


By the way, more guns were sold in 2016 than any year in history
http://freebeacon.com/issues/guns-sold-2016-year-history/

Sure, I didn't get a Prepaid FedEx box and a threat from the state AG demanding my gun and you just don't want to acknowledge this:

http://www.guns.com/2017/06/21/nssf-gun-sales-up-because-all-are-welcome/


It should be clear to everyone that he is determined to remain ignorant. Willful ignorance is a hallmark of today's "liberals"

Hard to fathom the workings of that though, the hows and whys. I recall reading a few good articles on the phenomenon, perhaps I will post one in a new thread

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 11:22:44 AM   
Musicmystery


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- people have their guns
- no one is about to lose their guns
- NRA fund raising thrives on selling this tea
- gun/ammo sales are thriving

You keep insisting I'm not facing the facts, while you keep ignoring the simple reality.

These ARE the facts. Face them.

Or embrace your fears, which I suppose is easier.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 11:26:50 AM   
Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

You still have it. And you aren't in jail.

As for sales up, I've "acknowledged" it several times -- by pointing it out. Jesus. Read.

Markets are expanding. I get it. Fear is good for business.

Well, I won't say whether or not I still have it.

Markets are expanding because the leftie gun grabber are being so ridicules thinking people are becoming interested and finding joy and fun in the sport. I guess you can call joy and fun fear, I'm not sure which dictionary you'd justify it with however.

Take me for example. I'm a competitive person. I played sports all of my life. When I became too old and my joints were to worn out to throw a ball, I started shooting competitively. No fear was ever involved. I love to shoot trap, pistols and rifles and I do it competitively. I started hunting as well. I find a great deal of satisfaction in those sports and absolutely no fear is involved.

Your arguments are just not valid.

The funny thing is, I used to hunt with this guy that owned a gun store. I was in the store a lot. I saw lots of new people come in and ask how they could get started in the shooting sports. I also saw a few that were indignant that lefties wanted to grab guns, even though they owned none personally. They'd usually say that since they lived in leftist CA they only had one recourse to be heard on the subject and that was to spend money on guns and ammo. No fear there either. Just a desire to be politically heard by close minded lefties. Which was funny since a majority of them were young and educated, a lot of tattoos. People you'd think, if you went by stereotype, would be all over leftie policy.

So, you're just factually not correct in any of your statements in my experience.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 11:29:22 AM   
mnottertail


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

It's your money. Spend it how you like.

But it's no straw man:

- no one came for your guns
- no one's coming now
- NRA fundraising is thriving on the fear some one is coming
- gun sales are 5X what they were 8 years ago

That's just data. Flat out actual reality.

Sorry it bugs you so.

That's simply not true. I have guns in my safe that were at one time perfectly legal to own that my state would now put me in jail for. They didn't actually grab my guns. Well, one gun, they did send me an addressed FedEx box and demanded I surrender the gun to them. I actually got two other letters from the AG, demanding the gun, which threatened me with jail if I didn't turn it in. But, if I show up at any gun range with any of those gun, which I legally purchased, off to jail I'd go, the guns would be taken and destroyed and I'd lose everything. So, you just ain't factually correct at all.

Oh, and if you read the link I provided above, it'll show you that you're not factually correct about the increase in gun sales nationwide.


show me that law, codified, and what gun, that couldnt possibly happen in the real world where no ex-post facto laws are legal.

in all the laws posted DC 75 and others those that have em, keep em. (same with Machine guns btw)




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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 11:30:46 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		1) I point out sales are up and markets are expanding
2) You counter by saying sales are up and markets are expanding, concluding
3) my arguments aren't valid.

There's not much to say to that, but shake my head and leave you to your delusion.

That you or anyone else might anecdotally be an exception is true of virtually anything. Doesn't change:

- gun ownership is strong, and will continue to be
- NRA fundraising is thriving
- gun and ammo sales are strong

What's your beef with that, other than just itching to argue for the sake of arguing (a key trait of yours, whether you recognize it or not)?

It leaves gun owners in good shape,
it leaves gun policy in good shape
it leaves the NRA in good shape
it leaves the firearms industry in good shape
it even shows radical progressive liberals aren't good at achieving their objectives.

Which of those don't you like?

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 11:34:34 AM   
Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

It's your money. Spend it how you like.

But it's no straw man:

- no one came for your guns
- no one's coming now
- NRA fundraising is thriving on the fear some one is coming
- gun sales are 5X what they were 8 years ago

That's just data. Flat out actual reality.

Sorry it bugs you so.

That's simply not true. I have guns in my safe that were at one time perfectly legal to own that my state would now put me in jail for. They didn't actually grab my guns. Well, one gun, they did send me an addressed FedEx box and demanded I surrender the gun to them. I actually got two other letters from the AG, demanding the gun, which threatened me with jail if I didn't turn it in. But, if I show up at any gun range with any of those gun, which I legally purchased, off to jail I'd go, the guns would be taken and destroyed and I'd lose everything. So, you just ain't factually correct at all.

Oh, and if you read the link I provided above, it'll show you that you're not factually correct about the increase in gun sales nationwide.


show me that law, codified, and what gun, that couldnt possibly happen in the real world where no ex-post facto laws are legal.

in all the laws posted DC 75 and others those that have em, keep em. (same with Machine guns btw)




Reach down between your legs and find your little penis. That is the only thing that will play with you on your demand. Just like you believe that you were a command master Sargent at 18, a doctor, a FFL dealer and a programmer for the power companies, you can believe what ever you like. What ever gets that little nub off.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 11:36:57 AM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Yeah, ok nancy, put your kotex back in, gather up your pissflaps, its apparent you are a lying felchgobbler of putinjizz. And are easily caught. It is because of your retardation and institutionalization as a mental patient.

Two clauses in the US Constitution prohibit ex post facto laws: Art 1, § 9 and Art. 1 § 10.

see, e.g. Collins v. Youngblood, 497 US 37 (1990) and California Dep't of Corrections v. Morales, 514 US 499 (1995).

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 11:39:28 AM   
Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

1) I point out sales are up and markets are expanding
2) You counter by saying sales are up and markets are expanding, concluding
3) my arguments aren't valid.

There's not much to say to that, but shake my head and leave you to your delusion.

That you or anyone else might anecdotally be an exception is true of virtually anything. Doesn't change:

- gun ownership is strong, and will continue to be
- NRA fundraising is thriving
- gun and ammo sales are strong

What's your beef with that, other than just itching to argue for the sake of arguing (a key trait of yours, whether you recognize it or not)?

It leaves gun owners in good shape,
it leaves gun policy in good shape
it leaves the NRA in good shape
it leaves the firearms industry in good shape
it even shows radical progressive liberals aren't good at achieving their objectives.

Which of those don't you like?

Sorry moose, you said sales are up because the NRA was causing fear. I pointed out the fallacy of your make believe world. The rat of your arguments stem from their. And, I should say, remember when you started a thread about sales are up and postulated it was fear. You'd never thought about it before and your postulation then, which you're apparently still abused with, was erroneous. You just won't let it go despite facts shown to you. Well, not entirely true, you're now changing the argument so you can be correct because that is the thing most important to you.

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RE: Chicago and gun crime surge - 6/23/2017 11:43:42 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Markets are expanding. Why? Because people decided it would be fun to shoot targets?

You're the one changing the argument so you can "win," but whatever. I've already told you that basically, I could give a fuck either way.

So how about this:

WHATEVER the reason you want to believe:

- gun ownership is strong, and will continue to be
- NRA fundraising is thriving
- gun and ammo sales are strong

It leaves gun owners in good shape,
it leaves gun policy in good shape
it leaves the NRA in good shape
it leaves the firearms industry in good shape
it even shows radical progressive liberals aren't good at achieving their objectives.

Which of those don't you like? You didn't answer -- just figured out some way you could "win."

How about I just give you a trophy so we can stop the stupid spin?

Congrats! You're a winner! Awesome!

And you've proven:

- gun ownership is strong, and will continue to be
- NRA fundraising is thriving
- gun and ammo sales are strong

Wow! Insightful! I NEVER saw that coming! You are AWESOME! Thanks!

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