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vincentML -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/24/2017 9:58:52 AM)
~FR~ The latest police killing victim might have been white, but the voices of passion were black - and when prominent African-American activist John Thompson called for a clenched fist salute, it seemed the entire crowd obliged, repeating after him: "We have a duty to fight for our freedom." The black speeches were about years of black suffering and abuse that, because of Damond's death, were now a white problem. When one of the speakers mentioned that five black protesters had been shot after last year's killing in Minneapolis of Castile, a young black man in the crowd leapt to his feet - and identified himself as one of the five. BLM was making its point - dramatically. Because African Americans had been the habitual victims of police brutality, they had a well-oiled protest machine; and now they would put it at the disposal of the white Minneapolis community - many of whom had previously seen police killings as a black issue. And just as it made a difference that Damond was white, blonde and beautiful, it also mattered that she was a foreigner. Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull's charge that her death was "shocking" and "inexplicable" was a level of official criticism not often heard in American discourse on police killings. And the presence of an Australian media pack at press conferences in Minneapolis presented local officials with new challenges. Fairfax Media's incredulity at what the bizarre circumstances of Damond's death revealed of an entrenched police culture resistant to change was picked up by CNN; and the hammering by Australian TV crews of police chief Janee Harteau's absence at a time of crisis, probably was a catalyst for her abrupt resignation on Friday, US time. So it came as no surprise, that protesters stormed City Hall, celebrating the announcement of Harteau's ousting by Mayor Betsy Hodges. But Hodges is under pressure too. "Bye, bye, Betsy," the protesters chanted. And leading the charge was the lanky, excitable activist Thompson, a friend and work colleague of the dead Castile, who has made protesting his new life's mission. Inserting Damond's name in place of Castile's, they chanted one of last year's slogans - "If Justine don't get it, shut it down". Their surge forced Hodges to abandon her press conference - not a good look, because the harried mayor seemed to be on the run. That the officer is refusing to co-operate with investigators is problematic - for him and the department. But that he is a Somali-American Muslim also makes it look as though he is being scapegoated by officialdom. Even the city's police union, always quick to defend officers in trouble, has remained silent. Is that because the investigation is not concluded or because the force's dominant white culture sees him as an expendable outlier? Even as the investigation into Damond's death continues, both the mayor and the police chief as good as convicted the officer - rookie Mohamed Noor. Their mantra has been that this was an individual who went off the reservation, not a police department that can't, or won't, get its act together. But in tackling Harteau, one of Hodges' challengers for the city leadership seemed to have the mayor in her sights too. Endorsing the demise of the police chief, mayoral challenger and civil rights lawyer Nekima Levy-Pounds said it had been "a slap in the face to people of colour" that Harteau had spoken out about the death of the white Damond but in the recent past had defended officers involved in shooting black people. And Thompson is not going away - and with so many in the white community behind him, he's probably never had such power as he does now. "The fight for Justine is not over. It's just begun. We got a lot of allies," he said on Friday. "Betsy Hodges was trying to appease the international press, trying to say, 'I did something about it. I did something really good. I asked the chief to step down', and thinking that's going to end what's happening, but it's not going to end nothing. "We need Australia right here with us ... and we won't stop fighting for Justine and victims like Justine." source

tweakabelle -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/24/2017 12:12:09 PM)
So much for all those who branded the BLM movement racist ... ... or that well known lunatic who insists that BLM are terrorists. The latest delusion from this source is that the Trump-Russia investigations amount to a "coup attempt" ....! D'uhh!!!

BoscoX -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/24/2017 12:58:34 PM)
More of a weak, half-hearted, token protest. No riots, no arson, no looting. Nothing nationwide... Certainly not a lot of alt left media attention.

BamaD -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/24/2017 1:30:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Skin color and sexual orientation are all that matters to Black Lies Madder terrorists and their their provocateurs and supporters on the left. They also preach very ugly things about the police... Black community activists were very involved in organizing a community vigil for Ms. Damond. So skin color and sexual orientation were not issues to BLM. One notable difference in the Damond case is that it cost the police chief her job. I may be wrong but I cannot recall that happening in any of the contentious killings of blacks by police ... it seems race may be playing a role, not at the level of the protesters but at their impact on the power structure in this particular case. A causal observer could be forgiven for thinking that the consequences for killing an innocent white woman are far greater than those for killing equally innocent blacks As usual you are wrong. In your joy over this you ignored the fact that Nor was celebrated by the mayor for things that had nothing to do with being an officer, Meanwhile the chief had condemned Nor for the shooting. The protestors were overjoyed over the loss of the one man who from the outset wasn't makin excuses for Nor. Further they tipped their hand because they demand the removal of the mayor. They are using this to try to overthrow the city government. Nor screwed up, he panicked, he ignored policy and common sense but they are using this as an excuse to go after the people who's policies he ignored.

BamaD -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/24/2017 1:36:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Skin color and sexual orientation are all that matters to Black Lies Madder terrorists and their their provocateurs and supporters on the left. They also preach very ugly things about the police... Black community activists were very involved in organizing a community vigil for Ms. Damond. So skin color and sexual orientation were not issues to BLM. And what ugly things do they preach about police? Please do enlighten us on the meaning of your hateful rhetoric. They are in agreement with your absurd assumption that the police are out to kill as many black people as they can get away with, I think that is kind of ugly. And pigs in a blanket showed so much love for the police. I never said any such thing, you lying pig. I asked Bosco some questions. He can speak for himself. He doesn't need a Southern racist to speak for him. Remember you claims that the police are engaged in a race war? Yes you did claim the cops want to kill blacks. And as I pointed out I was over 30 when I first set foot in the south. You would seem to be more of a long time southerner than me not to mention a blind cop hating pos.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/24/2017 3:26:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri by 'innocent,' I meant that the person hasn't done anything wrong. In the case in the OP, unless there is some proof that race had anything to do with the cop shooting the woman, skin color of those involved do not matter at all. Again, because you are so slow: Skin color and sexual orientation are all that matters to Black Lies Madder terrorists and their their provocateurs and supporters on the left. They also preach very ugly things about the police... The OP is pointing out the wry conundrum presented by this case to those loons Yes, in an ideal world skin color would not matter, but we are dealing with leftists here Now try to keep up Crawl back in your hole. Adults are trying to have a conversation.

Nnanji -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/24/2017 3:28:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle I can tell you this incident is getting headline new coverage on all media outlets here. From my conversations with people, there is little patience with US police, who are felt to be "trigger happy" and even less with the US's bizarre gun laws that contribute to police and general societal paranoia and heaven only knows how many deaths every year. It is disturbing that, despite being equipped with bodycams, neither of the cops involved had activated their cams when the incident occurred. By all accounts the dead woman was a gentle peace loving soul who wouldn't hurt a fly. No one here has come up with a coherent explanation as to why she might have been perceived as a threat to anyone ... but everyone wants to hear the facts of this matter You know what, good, you and all of your coven who have no patience, please, don't come here. In fact, don't talk to us anymore. Just go away.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/24/2017 3:29:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle One notable difference in the Damond case is that it cost the police chief her job. I may be wrong but I cannot recall that happening in any of the contentious killings of blacks by police ... it seems race may be playing a role, not at the level of the protesters but at their impact on the power structure in this particular case. A causal observer could be forgiven for thinking that the consequences for killing an innocent white woman are far greater than those for killing equally innocent blacks Seriously? You think race is playing a role in the police chief getting fired?

BoscoX -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/24/2017 3:31:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Crawl back in your hole. Adults are trying to have a conversation. No need to get mad just because you are stupid, little trollish man [:D]

Nnanji -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/24/2017 3:38:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD FR It seems that what we have here is a man who never should have been a cop in the first place. Now why would they hire him in the first place. In any job you hire the best who apply. He was hired about 2 years ago. After it became popular to condemn cops because of anything that happens, and the people they had to choose from was greatly reduced. The effect of the constant attacks on the police is a reduction in what the police have to choose from, you can look it up since you won't believe me. Police dp's have less and less to choose from and the chance of them hiring the wrong one are increased, not decreased by the attacks. Actually, qualified candidates have been screened out for years by requiring "Politically Correct" candidates.

BamaD -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/24/2017 3:43:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD FR It seems that what we have here is a man who never should have been a cop in the first place. Now why would they hire him in the first place. In any job you hire the best who apply. He was hired about 2 years ago. After it became popular to condemn cops because of anything that happens, and the people they had to choose from was greatly reduced. The effect of the constant attacks on the police is a reduction in what the police have to choose from, you can look it up since you won't believe me. Police dp's have less and less to choose from and the chance of them hiring the wrong one are increased, not decreased by the attacks. Actually, qualified candidates have been screened out for years by requiring "Politically Correct" candidates. I know, Vincent ,of course, thinks that policy when the court said they couldn't set fixed quotas, of course they did permit race to b taken into account which gave them an out to discriminate.

Nnanji -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/24/2017 3:52:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Just as an exercise, I went back through the thread and checked your 15 or so posts to see if you once expressed some regret or compassion for the victim of this sad incident. Guess what! Not once did I find anything even remotely resembling regret or compassion for the victim. Not once did you pay lip service to her unfortunate demise, or even hint or attempt it. Unsurprisingly, you did find it in your heart to unearth some empathy for the shooter's police partner: "His partner may have had his hearing ruined for life." (post #35) So it cannot be said that your empathy deficit is complete. You also managed to find ways of criticising diversity hiring, AA programs and critics of police killings. Apparently you hold these people and policies at least partially responsible for this woman's death. One can only conclude that your fondness (read: obsession) with guns and gun rights is far closer to your heart than the death of an obviously innocent woman at the hands of the police (another one of your obsessions) whose culpability you have sought to minimise or exonerate at every opportunity. I hope the above might alert you to the one eyed way you approach and understand some of the issues raised by this case. Your obsessions are blinding you to the facts and causing you to make poor decisions as well as turning you into an emotional freezer. If you are not careful you are going to end up like Bosco, who is not considered by any sane person to be a role model worth emulating. You can do something about it if you so choose. If you don't ... well, choosing to cling to obsessions is rarely a good healthy choice ... I think you're letting your emotions get away from you and allowing them to overrule thought process. You apparently also seem to think that leftist policies like Afirmative Action and diversity hiring should overrule hiring the most qualified for a job, which, apparently, in this case got a woman killed. It's too bad that you are so willing to sacrifice the life of a woman on your alter of leftist policies. But, then, if you didn't do that you and all of your friends wouldn't have jobs would you?

BamaD -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/24/2017 3:58:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Skin color and sexual orientation are all that matters to Black Lies Madder terrorists and their their provocateurs and supporters on the left. They also preach very ugly things about the police... Black community activists were very involved in organizing a community vigil for Ms. Damond. So skin color and sexual orientation were not issues to BLM. And what ugly things do they preach about police? Please do enlighten us on the meaning of your hateful rhetoric. They are in agreement with your absurd assumption that the police are out to kill as many black people as they can get away with, I think that is kind of ugly. And pigs in a blanket showed so much love for the police. I never said any such thing, you lying pig. I asked Bosco some questions. He can speak for himself. He doesn't need a Southern racist to speak for him. Work up the nerve and admit hands up don't shoot is based on a lie. You never used those exact words, but your insistence that every time a cop shoots a black person proves what you believe. You never used the words I hate cops so that means you are neutral concerning them. I have never said I hate blacks, but you feel free to call me a racist. I guess this is because you are so much better than other people that you get to play by different rules than we mere mortals do.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/24/2017 4:03:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Crawl back in your hole. Adults are trying to have a conversation. No need to get mad just because you are stupid, little trollish man [:D] Run along, Bosco. Childish namecalling is something I expect out of you. Why is it that anyone that doesn't parrot the exact same views as you is a troll, or stupid? Sounds like you're the one that is getting mad.

Nnanji -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/24/2017 4:03:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Simple, they are required to turn on the body cams when they see any chance of violence, the white cop didn't see any. Remember he was surprised when this guy started shooting. Your earlier outburst was to bigoted to understand that if he was hired to fill a quota that was the departments fault, not his. I read that there are eight Somalians on the force; he was the first. There is no quota system anywhere; the Supreme Court has struck that down. You are full of shit. There are unofficial quota systems everywhere. Dont be a child.

Aylee -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/24/2017 8:44:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX More of a weak, half-hearted, token protest. No riots, no arson, no looting. Nothing nationwide... Certainly not a lot of alt left media attention. Well, now we know what the response is when a black man murders a white woman. Crickets.

Marini -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/24/2017 9:19:03 PM)
Based, on some of the facts that have recently come out, I think this police officer was very inexperienced, had a variety of issues, and had no business even being out on the street. I think he was frightened, and shot the woman out of fear. He would have shot anyone that happened to come up to the car, in that situation. I don''t think he racially profiled this woman, he had everything to lose.

BamaD -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/24/2017 11:10:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini Based, on some of the facts that have recently come out, I think this police officer was very inexperienced, had a variety of issues, and had no business even being out on the street. I think he was frightened, and shot the woman out of fear. He would have shot anyone that happened to come up to the car, in that situation. I don''t think he racially profiled this woman, he had everything to lose. I agree. What we have is a bad cop. He was paired with someone even less experience than he had. With 2 outstanding complaints against him why was his partner even less experienced than he was. He was relatively high profile because he was the 1st Somali on the force. The community threw a big party threw a big party when he was sworn in. His flaws had to be overlooked because the mayor put so much support behind him, not because of anything he had done but only because of ethnicity. Ironically the only official to point out that he screwed up (the chief) is the one thrown under the bus. In equal irony, it only increased the feeding frenzy and now they are calling for the overthrow of the whole city government.

BamaD -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/24/2017 11:23:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini Based, on some of the facts that have recently come out, I think this police officer was very inexperienced, had a variety of issues, and had no business even being out on the street. I think he was frightened, and shot the woman out of fear. He would have shot anyone that happened to come up to the car, in that situation. I don''t think he racially profiled this woman, he had everything to lose. I agree with you completely. He didn't turn on his body cam, required if there is any chance of violence. This is not a new policy, it is over a year old. He didn't even attempt t defuse the situation, also a policy over a year old. He fired through his partners space at a minimum of a common sense violation and I am sure violates any safety standards. I doubt that this is the first time he has shown the inclination to panic and make bad decisions.

vincentML -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/25/2017 6:46:55 AM)
quote: Work up the nerve and admit hands up don't shoot is based on a lie. You never used those exact words, but your insistence that every time a cop shoots a black person proves what you believe. You never used the words I hate cops so that means you are neutral concerning them. I have never said I hate blacks, but you feel free to call me a racist. I guess this is because you are so much better than other people that you get to play by different rules than we mere mortals do. I call you racist for the things you have said here. Like: he didn't think the rules applied to him because he is an immigrant. And from where do you get the idea that I assume the police are out to kill as many blacks as they can get away with? I never said or even implied such an ugly sentiment. Not only are you a racist but you are a typical ignorant Southern good-ol-boy racist who makes shit up about people. Jesus, you are an abomination, a stain on humanity.

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