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Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/11/2017 6:53:43 AM   
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Suspect had his hand in his pocket, wouldn't obey commands to stop... Turned out, the cop brought a tazer to a gunfight

Guessing here - was the cop hesitant to use the proper force, because of the suspect's skin color? Had the dude been white I bet he would have been tazed before he could have shot the cop

http://nypost.com/2017/08/10/shocking-video-shows-moment-cop-is-shot-at-point-blank-range/?ref=yfp

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/11/2017 7:02:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Have you considered the possibility that many of your coppers don't shoot people to death because they have their hands in a pocket?


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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/11/2017 7:07:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		All cops need to aim better! They need to be movie perfect. If only they can shoot to just wound and slow down criminals and not kill. Then innocent shootings wouldn't result in death.

This is the complication of gun country.

Our cops carries guns everywhere, but they never use it, as criminals here don't have guns.

But over there, both are suspicious of each other, it's all about who pull the trigger first ALL the TIME!

So I just expect there to be alot of unnecessary shooting for as long as guns remain legal. And specifically for the US. That's gonna be forever!

PS: Shouldn't all cops wear bullet proof vest underneath their unforms?

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/11/2017 7:13:12 AM   
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All cops need to aim better! They need to be movie perfect. If only they can shoot to just wound and slow down criminals and not kill. Then innocent shootings wouldn't result in death.

Why would they do that, Greta? You don't point a gun at anybody in the first place unless you plan to kill them: that's why they carry tasers over there as well.

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/11/2017 7:16:43 AM   
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Why would they do that, Greta? You don't point a gun at anybody in the first place unless you plan to kill them: that's why they carry tasers over there as well.

Specifically in the US, you are dealing with people who everyone is carrying guns. A taser is useless in their situation. When all the civilians have guns, all the cop can do is aim his gun at them too.

Because usually all these shooting incident starts with the police fearing the guy is taking out his gun to shoot. So if only the police can just shoot to flesh wound and not kill every time and be THAT good!

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/11/2017 7:36:53 AM   
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Our cops carries guns everywhere, but they never use it, as criminals here don't have guns.




huh? Thats good to know

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/11/2017 8:03:17 AM   
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Specifically in the US, you are dealing with people who everyone is carrying guns. When all the civilians have guns

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You really have no idea how fucking ignorant you are do you?

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/11/2017 8:34:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		the problem is that very few people here 'carry' guns on their person though many own guns.

the additional problem is that everyone should carry a gun and dont.






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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/11/2017 8:38:17 AM   
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Because usually all these shooting incident starts with the police fearing the guy is taking out his gun to shoot. So if only the police can just shoot to flesh wound and not kill every time and be THAT good!

FFS! You'll be saying they should just shoot the gun out of their collar's hand like somebody wearing a white hat in a '50s western next.
I would be very surprised indeed if anybody in any security force in history has ever been trained to shoot to wound rather than to kill. You do understand that if somebody is armed rather than keeping their hands warm then just winging them isn't guaranteed to stop them shooting back?

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/11/2017 9:06:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		he had a reason, that reason was he was most likely oging to be arrested and if you shoot the cop and get away with it you wont be arrested, at least in his mind, so much for reason.




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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/11/2017 9:27:58 AM   
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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/11/2017 9:43:24 AM   
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Specifically in the US, you are dealing with people who everyone is carrying guns. A taser is useless in their situation. When all the civilians have guns, all the cop can do is aim his gun at them too.

Because usually all these shooting incident starts with the police fearing the guy is taking out his gun to shoot. So if only the police can just shoot to flesh wound and not kill every time and be THAT good!



First, not everyone in the US carries a gun.

Secondly, contrary to popular belief, police are not trained to shoot first and ask questions later.

And third, all civilians do not have guns your fucking idiot.

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/11/2017 9:58:47 AM   
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Specifically in the US, you are dealing with people who everyone is carrying guns. A taser is useless in their situation. When all the civilians have guns, all the cop can do is aim his gun at them too.

Because usually all these shooting incident starts with the police fearing the guy is taking out his gun to shoot. So if only the police can just shoot to flesh wound and not kill every time and be THAT good!



First, not everyone in the US carries a gun.

Secondly, contrary to popular belief, police are not trained to shoot first and ask questions later.

And third, all civilians do not have guns your fucking idiot.

One minor detail that was left out. The cop was stopping him because he had just committed a crime.
And you are absolutely correct. He had complete justification for demanding that the hands
should be in the open. There was ample reason to be concerned that he wasn't just keeping his hands warm.
Not everyone owns a gun, let alone carries one. Even though I would not have committed a crime when the cop approached me
in any sort of way to indicate it was a professional encounter my hands would be out where he could see them.

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/11/2017 10:15:19 AM   
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Specifically in the US, you are dealing with people who everyone is carrying guns. A taser is useless in their situation. When all the civilians have guns, all the cop can do is aim his gun at them too.

Because usually all these shooting incident starts with the police fearing the guy is taking out his gun to shoot. So if only the police can just shoot to flesh wound and not kill every time and be THAT good!



First, not everyone in the US carries a gun.

Secondly, contrary to popular belief, police are not trained to shoot first and ask questions later.

And third, all civilians do not have guns your fucking idiot.

With things like concealed carry, a police has to assume ALL civilians might have a gun on them. That's my point. How can they possibly know whether a civilian has a gun or not IF guns are legal for EVERYBODY?

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/11/2017 11:24:00 AM   
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All cops need to aim better! They need to be movie perfect. If only they can shoot to just wound and slow down criminals and not kill. Then innocent shootings wouldn't result in death.

This is the complication of gun country.

Our cops carries guns everywhere, but they never use it, as criminals here don't have guns.

But over there, both are suspicious of each other, it's all about who pull the trigger first ALL the TIME!

So I just expect there to be alot of unnecessary shooting for as long as guns remain legal. And specifically for the US. That's gonna be forever!

PS: Shouldn't all cops wear bullet proof vest underneath their unforms?
most do


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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/11/2017 11:29:03 AM   
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Specifically in the US, you are dealing with people who everyone is carrying guns. A taser is useless in their situation. When all the civilians have guns, all the cop can do is aim his gun at them too.

Because usually all these shooting incident starts with the police fearing the guy is taking out his gun to shoot. So if only the police can just shoot to flesh wound and not kill every time and be THAT good!



First, not everyone in the US carries a gun.

Secondly, contrary to popular belief, police are not trained to shoot first and ask questions later.

And third, all civilians do not have guns your fucking idiot.

With things like concealed carry, a police has to assume ALL civilians might have a gun on them. That's my point. How can they possibly know whether a civilian has a gun or not IF guns are legal for EVERYBODY?

It isn't available for everyone. CCW holders have les than 1/3 the crime rate of the police.
You will find that CCW holders keep their hands in sight at all times when dealing with the police.
It isn't the ccw holders that area threat it is the people who carry illegally who are the problem.

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/11/2017 11:53:29 AM   
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Suspect had his hand in his pocket, wouldn't obey commands to stop... Turned out, the cop brought a tazer to a gunfight

Guessing here - was the cop hesitant to use the proper force, because of the suspect's skin color? Had the dude been white I bet he would have been tazed before he could have shot the cop

http://nypost.com/2017/08/10/shocking-video-shows-moment-cop-is-shot-at-point-blank-range/?ref=yfp

I have to agree with you, Bosco, the cop brought a taser to a gun fight. The complaint against Malcolm Orr was that he was a "suspicious person" and that he was trying to take groceries from customers. We don't know if any force was applied nor do we know if he actually robbed someone. During the video we see Orr walking away with his back to the cop Quincy Smith. Smith persisted. Not sure if he was armed other than with the taser. But I heard Smith repeatedly threaten Orr with harm. That is no excuse for Malcolm Orr to turn around and fire off eight shots at Smith. I am not contesting the jury verdict. But, I do believe Smith's actions were reckless and Smith endangered himself, tragically.

It is important to note that at no time did Smith give Orr a specific reason why he wanted him to stop. To stop you a police officer must have a specific reason to suspect your involvement in a specific crime and should be able to tell you that reason when you ask. Sadly, Orr did not ask; maybe he was guilty of some other crime. There was no mention he was carrying drugs so this is just speculation. All too bad.




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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/11/2017 11:59:51 AM   
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Suspect had his hand in his pocket, wouldn't obey commands to stop... Turned out, the cop brought a tazer to a gunfight

Guessing here - was the cop hesitant to use the proper force, because of the suspect's skin color? Had the dude been white I bet he would have been tazed before he could have shot the cop

http://nypost.com/2017/08/10/shocking-video-shows-moment-cop-is-shot-at-point-blank-range/?ref=yfp

I have to agree with you, Bosco, the cop brought a taser to a gun fight. The complaint against Malcolm Orr was that he was a "suspicious person" and that he was trying to take groceries from customers. We don't know if any force was applied nor do we know if he actually robbed someone. During the video we see Orr walking away with his back to the cop Quincy Smith. Smith persisted. Not sure if he was armed other than with the taser. But I heard Smith repeatedly threaten Orr with harm. That is no excuse for Malcolm Orr to turn around and fire off eight shots at Smith. I am not contesting the jury verdict. But, I do believe Smith's actions were reckless and Smith endangered himself, tragically.

It is important to note that at no time did Smith give Orr a specific reason why he wanted him to stop. To stop you a police officer must have a specific reason to suspect your involvement in a specific crime and should be able to tell you that reason when you ask. Sadly, Orr did not ask; maybe he was guilty of some other crime. There was no mention he was carrying drugs so this is just speculation. All too bad.




He fit the description of the person trying to steal groceries. Any reasonably intelligent person would have taken their hands out of their pocket. Orr is an idiot, his actions almost assured a confrontation and he instigated the violence.

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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/11/2017 12:10:23 PM   
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RE: Black Man Shoots Cop For No Reason - 8/11/2017 12:11:53 PM   
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In the video, the people in the store (multiple witnesses) described the criminal behavior and pointed him out to the cop, saying "that's him"

The cop got shot because he was being way too PC in the face of obvious danger, probably playing to the body cam he was wearing

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