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RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments durin... - 8/26/2017 9:18:09 AM   
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Just saying they have been grossly exaggerating these things in the past


Lol yea I agree... boy did they exaggerate Katrina... if those low down Dems in the 9th ward had all just stayed home maybe we could have drown them all... BWA HA HA.

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RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments durin... - 8/26/2017 9:21:35 AM   
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Just saying they have been grossly exaggerating these things in the past


Lol yea I agree... boy did they exaggerate Katrina... if those low down Dems in the 9th ward had all just stayed home maybe we could have drown them all... BWA HA HA.

Butch


The levies blew, and other factors that were unforeseen combined to cause more havoc than was predicted, though it was easily predictable. Required maintenance was ignored, evacuation orders were ignored...

But blame it all on ManBearPig, per the norm for brainless alt left howlers

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RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments durin... - 8/26/2017 9:25:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		And thank god the Coast Guard was on the job immediately after Katrina hit to rescue people.

Oh no! Not the government Coast Guard!!!!

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RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments durin... - 8/26/2017 9:45:05 AM   
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And thank god the Coast Guard was on the job immediately after Katrina hit to rescue people.

Oh no! Not the government Coast Guard!!!!


Where the federal government is essential, I know of no conservatives who oppose their involvement

This, in spite of your constant efforts to deliberately misrepresent our arguments

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RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments durin... - 8/26/2017 9:47:20 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Well then, you're doing a good job of misrepresenting your own arguments.

Maybe find a little clarity there.

And a little sense.

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RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments durin... - 8/26/2017 10:57:56 AM   
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Well then, you're doing a good job of misrepresenting your own arguments.

Maybe find a little clarity there.

And a little sense.


Your inability to understand simple written paragraphs is all on you, howler boy.

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RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments durin... - 8/26/2017 11:36:12 AM   
Musicmystery


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Over reach! Liberal Insanity!

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RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments durin... - 8/26/2017 11:48:36 AM   
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You done now? Feel better? Did you cum?

Government can also mobilize faster and mobilize more resources at once in response to a disaster when that faster mobilization (and central point of organization) make a big difference.

But thanks for repeating your knee jerk "government bad" mantra.

Now wipe up that cum.

Having been involved in a couple of disasters, nothing Katrina size mind you, generally what the state's do is authorize to pay for the locals to hire what they need because the state's and Feds cannot mobilize as fast as a local contractor. Of course if the National Guard is called in that's not local. But for most disasters the National Guard isn't called in.

Recently, we had a huge fire here. We had "local" fire trucks come from Southern CA, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, and even as far away as Montana. All of that is, basically, done by local reciprocal agreements once the State authorizes payment.

Sure a guy or two show up from State OES to run the show, but you have to accept that because they are the only ones that can sign the checks. But all of the infrastructure is local departments. Utilities scavenge local crews from all over. There was even things like local Vets boarding animals that had to be evacuated.

I just don't see how your thesis is sound.

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RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments durin... - 8/26/2017 11:49:30 AM   
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And thank god the Coast Guard was on the job immediately after Katrina hit to rescue people.

Oh no! Not the government Coast Guard!!!!


Where the federal government is essential, I know of no conservatives who oppose their involvement

This, in spite of your constant efforts to deliberately misrepresent our arguments


totally agree on both accounts.

and just for fun---because he's wrong on the first part of what you wrote, he doesn't get the mocking "oh no..." part correct either.

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RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments durin... - 8/26/2017 11:51:33 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Given the clown Bush appointed to run FEMA? No.

Run by competent people, like the Coast Guard's response? Yes.

But your example has the state (that's a government! oh no!) stepping in with funds to get the contractors working.

So you have't offered an alternative to "my thesis."

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RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments durin... - 8/26/2017 11:57:02 AM   
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The Key To Disaster Survival? Pals, Neighbors : NPR

During a Disaster - Neighbors Helping Neighbors

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RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments durin... - 8/26/2017 12:00:44 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Yet again, you whine about your posts "misinterpreted" and yet continue to just make up other people's positions.

Then you wonder why your posts are considered ridiculous shit.

Neighbors helping neighbors -- good. Self-reliance -- good. Government helping in a disaster doesn't take those things away.

I think your knee jerk is so pronounced it keeps hitting you in the head.

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RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments durin... - 8/26/2017 12:01:32 PM   
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Well then, you're doing a good job of misrepresenting your own arguments.

Maybe find a little clarity there.

And a little sense.


Your inability to understand simple written paragraphs is all on you, howler boy.


this looks pretty clear to me:

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that is the essential question in pretty much any situation, chronic or acute.

my short answer is the hierarchy looks like this: first and foremost, individuals are responsible for themselves and family. then it moves to friends and neighbors. then the local "community" kicks in, then the state, then the feds.

the emphasis on government providing help or thinking its governments job to help results in personal irresponsibility and complacency in the face of life's requirements.


apparently not to maniacal lefties?

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RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments durin... - 8/26/2017 12:03:27 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		So if the disaster persists, then you'd allow federal assistance.

Yet again -- these areas of assistance are not in conflict, except in your own weird distortion of reality.

Let each do what they're best at, for a coordinated rapid response.

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RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments durin... - 8/26/2017 12:07:23 PM   
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Given the clown Bush appointed to run FEMA? No.

Run by competent people, like the Coast Guard's response? Yes.

But your example has the state (that's a government! oh no!) stepping in with funds to get the contractors working.

So you have't offered an alternative to "my thesis."

Go read your thesis again then. For instance my first natural disaster was a flood. Government just doesn't have bull dozers or earth movers to mobilize. Government doesn't own quarries with rock and sand. Government does tend to have sandbags in storage. In my first natural disaster, the state highway patrol lent us helicopters and pilots. That was cool for me getting to fly around for a few hours every day in a helicopter. Local government does have fire trucks and police car but nothing to maintain water supplies or power lines. So your thesis that government can mobilize faster and with more resources is limited at best. Motorola showed up and donated piles of radios, cell phones and batteries. Which was a big help and something the government didn't have. Local diners stayed open all night to cook for the crews working 24/7, which was something that...maybe...the national guard could have done but didn't. Anyway, read your thesis again.

Edited to add: As a matter of fact, our local congressman (republican if it matters) did show up and stay pretty much 24/7 for days on end. He made a lot of phone calls and kicked a lot of butt. He couldn't have been replaced. But, local grocery stores donated ( yes free donations for the community) things like bottled water and necessary sundries like handi wipes so guys on the line could at least fight off things like heat rash. Local contractors donated water trucks to provide potable water. I guess the army could have done that but didn't. Schools (government) and churches ( non-governmental) donated places for the evacuated to stay. Local churches organized clothing drives, locals lined up to donate all sorts of things to help families who lost everything. It's just not one or the other. It takes everyone.

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RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments durin... - 8/26/2017 12:14:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Go read my response again. Same point. Government funds got that equipment moving. Oh no! Government!

And, government assistance and help from neighbors, community, and corporation are not in conflict -- they are contributing complementary resources.

And that's a good thing.


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RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments durin... - 8/26/2017 12:27:04 PM   
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Question: What is/ or should be the role of federal, state and local governments before, during and after natural disasters?


that is the essential question in pretty much any situation, chronic or acute.

my short answer is the hierarchy looks like this: first and foremost, individuals are responsible for themselves and family. then it moves to friends and neighbors. then the local "community" kicks in, then the state, then the feds.

the emphasis on government providing help or thinking its governments job to help results in personal irresponsibility and complacency in the face of life's requirements.

now, let me save you some time lefties: "I don't care about the poor, the disabled, the indigent, etc." (there, feel better about yourselves now?)


There is something to be said about honesty, and I don't agree with you, but I appreciate it.
Good neighbors and personal responsibility are the simple answer, to complex world wide disasters, tragedies, and situations.
Got it

There is a segment of people that don't care if the elderly, poor, disabled, or disadvantaged get assistance and live.
I can't change people's minds, but I do appreciate honesty.
If you feel like the government should not help, that is your right.
We can as usual agree to disagree.

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RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments durin... - 8/26/2017 12:35:33 PM   
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Go read my response again. Same point. Government funds got that equipment moving. Oh no! Government!

And, government assistance and help from neighbors, community, and corporation are not in conflict -- they are contributing complementary resources.

And that's a good thing.



Actually, I've sat through the planning of a couple of disasters where for days the locals had to pick and choose what they could afford to do until days later when the governor got around to declaring a disaster. So at best, "Government funds got that equipment moving"'was local for a long time until the larger government could get its shit together. In the mean time the locals opened stores, kitchens and wardrobes. In the previous example, Motorola beat the state by two days. And in fact while the congressman was there during those two days, he had to sit on his hands until the Governor asked the Feds for help. Pissed him off to say the least as he wanted to help.

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RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments durin... - 8/26/2017 12:43:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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And thank god the Coast Guard was on the job immediately after Katrina hit to rescue people.

Oh no! Not the government Coast Guard!!!!


Where the federal government is essential, I know of no conservatives who oppose their involvement

This, in spite of your constant efforts to deliberately misrepresent our arguments


totally agree on both accounts.

and just for fun---because he's wrong on the first part of what you wrote, he doesn't get the mocking "oh no..." part correct either.



His mind is very weak, and can only attack straw man fallacies

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RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments durin... - 8/26/2017 12:55:51 PM   
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I wasnt being honest, as in stating some revealing true fact about myself---i was being sarcastically prescient.

and I don't have a belief that "the government should never help me (or you)"---ive simply and clearly just stated the hierarchy of reliance and put government last in the order.

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