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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

"keeping women in the kitchen" greta is a phrase meant to signify the preventing women from living their dreams outside of the traditional role of "women as mothers and housewives."

do you remember some weeks ago the left here had conniptions over mike pence's stated policy of never being alone with a woman in a situation where he might be compromised? you were in on that thread. elements of that thread appeared recently, and lucy commented on how pence's position is no more than an attempt "to keep women in the kitchen" and whats more, apparently, that if one didn't see that, it was due to a lack of understanding of feminism.

go look here:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_5088600/mpage_8/tm.htm

Actually, as I think you're pointing out, it's a great way for feministas (male and female) to talk out of their mouths and their asses, at the same time.

On the one hand, you have predatory pieces of shit like Lauer, Weinstain, Spacey, ... who truly are abusers of women and obviously shouldn't have been allowed in women's presence behind closed doors.

On the other hand, you have a man like Vice President Pence who refuses to be alone, behind closed doors with women so that his reputation can never be impeached. Obviously, he is a misogynist that wants to "keep women in the kitchen".

You can't make this stuff up! They want EVERYTHING to be about "patriarchal oppression" and they'll contort themselves in any way they can (including this oral/anal speech) and hope that no one notices how indefensible their "position" actually is.

Peace,

Michael

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Thank you for self-identifying.

You are completely over your head in discussions with crayons. Goldenrod and Burnt Sienna fuck you up all the time, don't they?

No, infact to prove my point, here is one example. This poor lady who works as a production manager in a popular show bacherlorette has to endure daily questions like, "Do you like anal sex? Do you masturbate? How do you groom your vagjayjay?" FROM HER MALE BOSS. (And can you imagine as a woman having to go into HR to repeat to HR to report what her boss said? All these embarrassing questions?)

And then got fired because she was a "prude" and refuses to participate in these questions that her boss felt was necessary for her to answer as part of her job, gawd knows why. Her personal sex life and private part grooming is totally irrelevant to her job as production manager.

The official reason for her firing is that her morals was getting in the way of the show.

Clearly most companies in the US DOES NOT criminalise such things and endorses sexual harassment.

This is all only finally being seen as unacceptable by men now. Look at NBC playing innocent about Matt Lauer all those years too. The only reason why they fire him is they got a source that Variety was gonna write a terrible article about him and his bad sexual conduct which is gonna make NBC look bad for closing an eye to all that is happening. And it's damage control on their part.

I am just glad some kind of revolution is happening, and all these men are getting fired! And you know what? If men were sexually harassed by female bosses, I hope they speak out too and have those women fired. (The big problem here is, I know too many men bragging about sleeping with their female bosses in their younger days when they first started, and it's almost like the same shit as sleeping with their teacher in school days. Like they wear that information like bragging rights and often talk about it rather proudly like a badge of awesomeness!)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw6Kg1IUE1s&t=210s

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
You have already self-identified as an idiot. Further identification is not necessary, Greta.

Yup, ad hominem is the only way you know when you know I am right.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
You self-identify every time you post.

How many US companies have you worked for?

How many times have you gone through orientations for employment at US companies?

You know nothing about the policies of US companies, yet you continue to spout your nonsense.

I don't have to point out you're wrong. Everyone on here already knows it.

Don't look now, but yellow-orange has a bone to pick with you.

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ORIGINAL: JVoV
Companies can't criminalize anything, Greta. But every company has policies in place to protect them from lawsuits.

Production companies responsible for reality tv shows have been sued multiple times for all sorts of labor violations. It's really no surprise to me that sexual harassment suits are coming up now.

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ORIGINAL: susie
When I was younger I was very flat chested. I worked in a company as the only woman. One day the CEO of the company told me that "you need a sign round your neck saying this side up for rape). Obviously all the men in the office laughed.
Should I Have complained?
Not being a snowflake shy girl, I turned round and said "well I don't have to worry about you considering the size of your tiny dick"" Everyone laughed including the CEO. After that they all knew I would give as good as I got and I was one of the team.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
It's not just women, it's children too: he refuses to let any child in the public schools get an education that isn't infested with the absurd fairytales and fallacies he chooses to believe rather than the fossil record.
Of course "what about the children!" is a traditional (and often histrionic) excuse from pro-censorship control freaks, from Mary Fucking Whitehouse and Tipper Fucking Gore on down to some of the asshats who don't want their brood of goblins to notice bits of reality that they don't like who post on here...

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

"keeping women in the kitchen" greta is a phrase meant to signify the preventing women from living their dreams outside of the traditional role of "women as mothers and housewives."

do you remember some weeks ago the left here had conniptions over mike pence's stated policy of never being alone with a woman in a situation where he might be compromised? you were in on that thread. elements of that thread appeared recently, and lucy commented on how pence's position is no more than an attempt "to keep women in the kitchen" and whats more, apparently, that if one didn't see that, it was due to a lack of understanding of feminism.

go look here:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_5088600/mpage_8/tm.htm

Actually, as I think you're pointing out, it's a great way for feministas (male and female) to talk out of their mouths and their asses, at the same time.

On the one hand, you have predatory pieces of shit like Lauer, Weinstain, Spacey, ... who truly are abusers of women and obviously shouldn't have been allowed in women's presence behind closed doors.

On the other hand, you have a man like Vice President Pence who refuses to be alone, behind closed doors with women so that his reputation can never be impeached. Obviously, he is a misogynist that wants to "keep women in the kitchen".

You can't make this stuff up! They want EVERYTHING to be about "patriarchal oppression" and they'll contort themselves in any way they can (including this oral/anal speech) and hope that no one notices how indefensible their "position" actually is.



Peace,


Michael

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ORIGINAL: shiftyw
OH FUCK.

Maybe I want to be seen as more than a sex object by both Pence and Lauer. Maybe women want to be taken fucking seriously.

WEIRD.
I KNOW.

This place is bleak as fuck.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: shiftyw
OH FUCK.

Maybe I want to be seen as more than a sex object by both Pence and Lauer. Maybe women want to be taken fucking seriously.

WEIRD.
I KNOW.

This place is bleak as fuck.

You've been decent ("sort of" in this discussion with me) so I will return the favor:

My argument has nothing to do with Matt Lauer or Vice President Pence seeing you as a "sex object".

My argument has to do with the ease with which lives and careers can be ruined, based upon "anonymous allegations" because of the climate in which we live.

As I pointed out, men are damned if they do assault/harass/molest women (and rightly so), but they're also damned if they refuse to put themselves into a position where accusations can be launched.

In the work place, if I said to you: "That dress looks great on you!" I'd be "guilty" of "harassment". If you said: "Those jeans are nice on you." I'd be laughed out of any room where I tried to 'report" that.

Now, what's to stop you from getting fired (for cause and not by me) and telling a tale, years later about how I "harassed" you? If you and I had never been alone and I had never said that, you'd have a little egg on your face.

But like I said, in today's climate, the professional victims want to have things both ways.

I'm looking to hire four people, right now. IF I hire a woman, do you think with all that's going on, I'd EVER be alone in a room with her? Thanks, I'd rather take a sharp stick in the eye.

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: shiftyw
OH FUCK.

Maybe I want to be seen as more than a sex object by both Pence and Lauer. Maybe women want to be taken fucking seriously.

WEIRD.
I KNOW.

This place is bleak as fuck.

You've been decent ("sort of" in this discussion with me) so I will return the favor:

My argument has nothing to do with Matt Lauer or Vice President Pence seeing you as a "sex object".

My argument has to do with the ease with which lives and careers can be ruined, based upon "anonymous allegations" because of the climate in which we live.

As I pointed out, men are damned if they do assault/harass/molest women (and rightly so), but they're also damned if they refuse to put themselves into a position where accusations can be launched.

In the work place, if I said to you: "That dress looks great on you!" I'd be "guilty" of "harassment". If you said: "Those jeans are nice on you." I'd be laughed out of any room where I tried to 'report" that.

Now, what's to stop you from getting fired (for cause and not by me) and telling a tale, years later about how I "harassed" you? If you and I had never been alone and I had never said that, you'd have a little egg on your face.

But like I said, in today's climate, the professional victims want to have things both ways.

I'm looking to hire four people, right now. IF I hire a woman, do you think with all that's going on, I'd EVER be alone in a room with her? Thanks, I'd rather take a sharp stick in the eye.

I think that right now is the time for everyone to air out their dirty laundry. It's that point in the ceremony where the minister has said 'Speak now, or forever hold your piece'.

At some point, rule of law will come into play again, and someone bringing up a new accusation from twenty years ago will have to deal with statute of limitations, even in the public eye. So all these people need to hurry up with their salacious memoirs. Because at some point, and I don't think it will be long, the public is just going to say enough. Some of us are pretty much there already.

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

When a man in power refuses to have a private meeting with a woman, that prevents women from holding positions of power that should require such interactions.

Of course, if you have private meetings with a man, but not a woman, that is showing a gender bias, which is illegal in all workplaces, especially within government.

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ORIGINAL: shiftyw
Maybe I want to be seen as more than a sex object by both Pence and Lauer. Maybe women want to be taken fucking seriously.

WEIRD.
I KNOW.

Jesus. Christ. This place is bleak as fuck.

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: shiftyw
OH FUCK.

Maybe I want to be seen as more than a sex object by both Pence and Lauer. Maybe women want to be taken fucking seriously.

WEIRD.
I KNOW.

This place is bleak as fuck.

You've been decent ("sort of" in this discussion with me) so I will return the favor:

My argument has nothing to do with Matt Lauer or Vice President Pence seeing you as a "sex object".

My argument has to do with the ease with which lives and careers can be ruined, based upon "anonymous allegations" because of the climate in which we live.

As I pointed out, men are damned if they do assault/harass/molest women (and rightly so), but they're also damned if they refuse to put themselves into a position where accusations can be launched.

In the work place, if I said to you: "That dress looks great on you!" I'd be "guilty" of "harassment". If you said: "Those jeans are nice on you." I'd be laughed out of any room where I tried to 'report" that.

Now, what's to stop you from getting fired (for cause and not by me) and telling a tale, years later about how I "harassed" you? If you and I had never been alone and I had never said that, you'd have a little egg on your face.

But like I said, in today's climate, the professional victims want to have things both ways.

I'm looking to hire four people, right now. IF I hire a woman, do you think with all that's going on, I'd EVER be alone in a room with her? Thanks, I'd rather take a sharp stick in the eye.

I think that right now is the time for everyone to air out their dirty laundry. It's that point in the ceremony where the minister has said 'Speak now, or forever hold your piece'.

At some point, rule of law will come into play again, and someone bringing up a new accusation from twenty years ago will have to deal with statute of limitations, even in the public eye. So all these people need to hurry up with their salacious memoirs. Because at some point, and I don't think it will be long, the public is just going to say enough. Some of us are pretty much there already.

I know I'm reaching that point...

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
It's not just women, it's children too: he refuses to let any child in the public schools get an education that isn't infested with the absurd fairytales and fallacies he chooses to believe rather than the fossil record.
Of course "what about the children!" is a traditional (and often histrionic) excuse from pro-censorship control freaks, from Mary Fucking Whitehouse and Tipper Fucking Gore on down to some of the asshats who don't want their brood of goblins to notice bits of reality that they don't like who post on here...

Is Pence a Fundie Christian? Yes he is.
But will Pence sexually harass women?
No he will not.
I think he is better than Matt Lauer still.