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ORIGINAL: marieToo
When I hear someone talking about slavery in its purest sense,  I cant help but see a son-of-a-bitch who plans on trainwrecking someone after they've been drained of everything they are and everything they ever will be.  Consciously I know why this is and I know its wrong. And yet its something that I havent been able to shake off for a while.  Perhaps someday my  perception will change. I dont know. 

Your opinion and explanation is valid and beautiful.  Im glad you went into it at length. I appreciate all you had to say.  I heard every word. 

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

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ORIGINAL: marieToo
When I hear someone talking about slavery in its purest sense,  I cant help but see a son-of-a-bitch who plans on trainwrecking someone after they've been drained of everything they are and everything they ever will be.  Consciously I know why this is and I know its wrong. And yet its something that I havent been able to shake off for a while.  Perhaps someday my  perception will change. I dont know. 

Your opinion and explanation is valid and beautiful.  Im glad you went into it at length. I appreciate all you had to say.  I heard every word. 

Marie,
Thank you for your reply.  I can see it was heartfelt.  I am sorry that a trainwreck has been your experience, or what you have witnessed.  I am sorry because that was all I knew before I met Master, so I understand your point of view.  And unfortunately, your perception is often times right.  But it is not a given, which is what I wanted to point out.  I am glad my words offered you a different vision.  I almost didn't write them, as sometimes I am hesitant to reveal so much in a forum (but that's my own little hang up).

I do thank you for your post.

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ORIGINAL: marieToo
What I really want to know is how the guy who started this thread managed to escape unscathed, while we ended up spilling our guts.   lol

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ORIGINAL: marksl

Does anyone view this as all a game or is it just me.

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ORIGINAL: SusanofO

Creative: What you said made me think that - it's starting to strike me as ironic that people want to separate a spartan deliverence of M/s from the romance,(or romantic feelings it can elicit) since, I think for some, (whether they admit it, or realize it or not) that whole spartan idea of M/s may be just where some of the romance comes from in the first place (if a romantic conceptualization of M/s is there at all for them, which I realize for some it might not be, always).

I believe that for some, a more spartan idea of M/s  truly could be the "starting point" - and could definitely help elicit the emotions that can go along with a feeling of wanting to be Owned, and serving more completely (and I assume the same can maybe be true for Masters,as far as wanting to Own, and command someone, but am not a Master, so won't comment on that).

I know people can quibble about what level of delivery of M/s actvity should perhaps include, but to me, the whole spartan (as opposed to flowery) concept of implementation is the actual romantic part for some people. I could be wrong, though. I was just thinking about that when I read your post.

*Otherwise, why aren't many here off at eHarmony or on Match.com, and logging onto FTD, ordering up flowers and candy for someone instead?

*Has there never been a case where more spartan 'rules and protocol' helped to actually create romantic feelings instead of killing them off? Why the separation of these two ideas? I suppose it's an individual preference, but am simply saying that I am not sure why the distinct demarcation line here seems to exist for some, simply due to what looks, to me, like an implementation issue (and I probably sound like an idiot. But, it does seem a little odd to me in some ways).

I hope this post isn't misconstrued - I have a feeling I am being less than clear in what I am trying to say, and it may not be a point even worth noting, but it's the best I can do for now. 

- Susan 

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ORIGINAL: Homestead

I take the concept of servitude at these levels very seriously. I have to admit that I died a little inside, when I read of the slave's parting sentiments as she lay dying of her master's abuse in the Hospital. To think of her lying in the cold ground,when she deserved a better man, inexcusable.

I would hope that my god would strike me directly to hell, before allowing myself to go to such a place. Call me an objective romantic, but there has to be a healthy way to do this dynamic. I'm just not sure that we could really call it slavery.

Not in the historical sesne.

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ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain

Absolutely, great insightful posts from all of you on a thread that went far beyond what the OP had any inkling of. Haha. Marie, makes such an eloquent cautionary plea for those subs who may not realize some Masters may only play the D/s dynamic and could care less about them.

What has also surfaced is that many of the Masters on CM do much more than only play the Spartan (thank Homestead for the term) dynamic. We understand it well and could do much wrong, but we choose  the respect and loyalty dynamics. It makes sense that many of the Dom posters here would because they tend to be more thoughtful and social beings.

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ORIGINAL: marieToo

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ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain

Absolutely, great insightful posts from all of you on a thread that went far beyond what the OP had any inkling of. Haha. Marie, makes such an eloquent cautionary plea for those subs who may not realize some Masters may only play the D/s dynamic and could care less about them.

What has also surfaced is that many of the Masters on CM do much more than only play the Spartan (thank Homestead for the term) dynamic. We understand it well and could do much wrong, but we choose  the respect and loyalty dynamics. It makes sense that many of the Dom posters here would because they tend to be more thoughtful and social beings.

I agree. I think there are alot of insightful Dominants lurking around here.  I didnt really see that until very recently.