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RE: Do slave boys truly understand what service is? - 8/8/2006 6:21:03 PM   
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RE: Do slave boys truly understand what service is? - 8/8/2006 6:40:08 PM   
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RE: Do slave boys truly understand what service is? - 8/8/2006 7:04:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dear littlesarbonn, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I agree with your post very much.  It is most unfortunate the gentlemen who desire to serve in a slave/submissive/servant capacity often are drowned out due to the 'screamers' per se.
 
But, I need to say young lad--you are a good lad and my hopes are that you will find a lady that will cherish you dearly.
 
That said, I proffer to the ladies and gentlemen on this thread, that service is a very broad word.  Service can be very personal and intimate as well as impersonal, with every mix in between.  The real issue is perhaps finding a good 'match' for our respective selves.  It is indeed frustrating and often, good matches are so far away for both parties.  Sometimes, there isn't a close match period.
 
If we (in a very general way) compromise ourselves, regardless of role, e.g. dominant/submissive; how much must the compromise be; as to remain authentic to ourself as an individual.  To many times, temptation to over compromise because we're alone, anxious, lonely, hurting, hopeful and or impatient as years pass--rears it's ugly head.
The choice though can be a lonely one, as the choice is ours to be alone and keep authentic to 'our' (in a general sense) self or compromise so much as to be something that is 'packaged for public consumption;' yet--totally not authentic.  Either way, it may be a form of misery to which we all can appreciate and understand.  Thus, a bit of a rant is to keep the sanity of it all in prospective and were it is safe to do so.  --With understanding and like minded individuals.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs
 
 

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RE: Do slave boys truly understand what service is? - 8/8/2006 7:08:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		ok you have an opinion on male sub/slaves.... and maybe its how you feel abut the ones you have met but I know some pretty great ones (micheal is one that people know the pops into mind) so yeah it sucks you havent found waht you wanted but that doesnt mean they are all like that

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RE: Do slave boys truly understand what service is? - 8/8/2006 7:15:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lady Hugs,

Very well said. It is a very valid point. I am not willing to compromise. I want a 24/7 male or female slave not a submissive. I enjoy having a pain pig or pain slut. A slave who is domestic around the house, kitchen and yard. A slave who knows who and what they are at the very core of their being, one that is "slave wired", obedient and has a good temperment.  A slave that understands that this relationship will be based on TPE and not sex. And again I am not willing to compromise, I will wait until I find "the slave".

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RE: Do slave boys truly understand what service is? - 8/8/2006 7:22:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyHugs

Dear littlesarbonn, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I agree with your post very much.  It is most unfortunate the gentlemen who desire to serve in a slave/submissive/servant capacity often are drowned out due to the 'screamers' per se.
 
But, I need to say young lad--you are a good lad and my hopes are that you will find a lady that will cherish you dearly.
 



Thank you. That was very kind of you to say.

I've kind of decided to go a different direction in finding what I'm seeking. To be honest, I've never had any real problems attracting intelligent women to possible relationships. Where I think I've run into the most problems is when I've pursued a dominant woman who tends to have a major flock chasing after her for her attention. It never really works out for me.

I've been in some very intereresting conversations with women in my new area, and I'm planning to take it slow and do submission and service my way, which is to be available and attentive to the needs of the woman I am with. The bdsm aspects aren't really all that necessary for me. Sure, they're great, but for me it's always been about service and belonging to someone who cares for me and desires me. That doesn't mean I'm leaving the bdsm lifestyle or its community but that I figure that if the women involved in the scene are more attracted to the instant gratification guys that are pursuing them, I'll institute my own brand of social darwinism and step aside so that my brand of submission doesn't muddy those waters.

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RE: Do slave boys truly understand what service is? - 8/8/2006 8:55:41 PM   
KarbonCopy


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Status: offline 		I understand what service is. Doesnt mean I'm geared for it.

If you think less of my kind then I suppose ignorance is bliss.

Not to say that I dont enjoy helping and playing as a team player. I'm just not a . . . service geared person, I work hard on a daily basis, gettting home i'm exhausted, and service just makes my life 24/7 work.

And no matter how you look at it, work sucks.


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RE: Do slave boys truly understand what service is? - 8/8/2006 11:00:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyHugs

Dear littlesarbonn, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I agree with your post very much.  It is most unfortunate the gentlemen who desire to serve in a slave/submissive/servant capacity often are drowned out due to the 'screamers' per se.
 
But, I need to say young lad--you are a good lad and my hopes are that you will find a lady that will cherish you dearly.
 
That said, I proffer to the ladies and gentlemen on this thread, that service is a very broad word.  Service can be very personal and intimate as well as impersonal, with every mix in between.  The real issue is perhaps finding a good 'match' for our respective selves.  It is indeed frustrating and often, good matches are so far away for both parties.  Sometimes, there isn't a close match period.
 
If we (in a very general way) compromise ourselves, regardless of role, e.g. dominant/submissive; how much must the compromise be; as to remain authentic to ourself as an individual.  To many times, temptation to over compromise because we're alone, anxious, lonely, hurting, hopeful and or impatient as years pass--rears it's ugly head.
The choice though can be a lonely one, as the choice is ours to be alone and keep authentic to 'our' (in a general sense) self or compromise so much as to be something that is 'packaged for public consumption;' yet--totally not authentic.  Either way, it may be a form of misery to which we all can appreciate and understand.  Thus, a bit of a rant is to keep the sanity of it all in prospective and were it is safe to do so.  --With understanding and like minded individuals.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs
 
 


Lady Hugs, with each post You make, I admire You more and more.

Now that being said, forgive me while I take a long, deep YAWN at yet another post bashing the submissive male.  As I've said before, it's unfortunate that many here (and elsewhere) choose to paint all submissive men (generally) with the same brush.  The broken record rant of the sex-crazed, self-centered, manipulative submissive male is, well, quite tiresome. 





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RE: Do slave boys truly understand what service is? - 8/9/2006 12:04:03 AM   
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The male submissive is simply a male... and like all males come in different deviations. Your just as likely to meet a vanilla asshole as a kinky one..male or female. I think as women we simply vent our frustrations with assholes more than our male counterparts but what do I know I rarely read the Master's Board...Could be they are just as fed up with female sub looking for a free ride.

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RE: Do slave boys truly understand what service is? - 8/9/2006 2:33:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Although I'm not just a slave boy I do understand the need for submission from one's partner. Regardless of which role I'm in, the most important thing to me is the D/s aspect. While I was still trying to be vanilla, I found myself submitting to my first girlfriend in subtle ways like opening the door for her, fetching drinks, and following her around while she did errands on her lunch break just to be around her and at the end of the relationship I was still a virgin.

One of the things I have learned is that in the scene not everyone is looking for the same level of submission that I am. When I sub I am looking for a level of control that means the only decision I am responsible for is how best to please my mistress and give her what she is looking for. That being said, I would not stay with a mistress where there was no possibility of sex at all for the duration of the relationship, I'm not willing to do that again. Sex is an important part of a healthy vanilla relationship and should be a part of a healthy BDSM relationship as well.

A number of people I've met in the scene thus far are neither Dom/mes or Subs, but Tops or Bottoms. Although this site caters more towards the D/s crowd, that doesn't mean that there aren't bottoms here too and it is entirely possible that the example you gave is coming from a bottom not a sub.

To answer Silverdawn's question, at least for me it is a problem as a master as well. I ended one relationship with a brat/sam for among other reasons the fact that she wasn't offering the kind of the submission that I was looking for. I am not looking for someone to piss me off to get the punishment or choose to break the rules for the same reasons. In my opinion, failure should not be a choice, it is just that, failing to meet your Dom/me's needs.

Now, I don't condone my brethern who inundate the ladies of this site with numerous requests for sex and I can only imagine how much it must piss all of you off. I do agree with littlesarbonn that guys seemed to be damned if we do and damned if we don't and I can only imagine that it must be worse for the true subs and slaveboys on this site. Being new to this site I apologize if I'm wrong in my assumption, (I am however basing it on my experiences with the local scene) but the one thing that doesn't seem to change regardless of the roles they have chosen and that is that it is still the man's job to seek out the woman. How a man who is truly at his core submissive to women can aggressively seek them out is still a mystery to me, though I know that they do manage to do it.

There is of course one other thing at the core of this discussion, men and women still view sex differently. With a few exceptions based on lack of attraction, religious reasons, etc, men really aren't going to turn down sex. For example even the average vanilla male isn't likely to object to a woman forcing him to have sex while for women this is considered one of the most vilest of offenses. Although I doubt it, it is possible that these men believe that by giving you pleasure while they are recieving pain they are in fact submitting to you. To a certain extent they are right, but you like myself are looking for a deeper level of submission.

In closing, I would like to ask the women what is the best way to approach you via the site? I ask this in earnest having only responded to one profile, so far, in which I made no mention of sex whatsoever. More often than not I feel like littlesarbonn that I have to work twice as hard to prove that I am not like the other guys who are just looking for sex or a one night stand and am not sure what I can say so as not to get tossed out with the rest of the trash. My question is open to switches and subs well.

P.S. Regardless of whether or not I get any useful answers, I have enjoyed the debate thus far.
 


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RE: Do slave boys truly understand what service is? - 8/9/2006 7:43:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MagikSwitch

In closing, I would like to ask the women what is the best way to approach you via the site? I ask this in earnest having only responded to one profile, so far, in which I made no mention of sex whatsoever. More often than not I feel like littlesarbonn that I have to work twice as hard to prove that I am not like the other guys who are just looking for sex or a one night stand and am not sure what I can say so as not to get tossed out with the rest of the trash. My question is open to switches and subs well.

P.S. Regardless of whether or not I get any useful answers, I have enjoyed the debate thus far.





The biggest problem with finding someone online is distance in my opinion.

I've read several intelligent, funny, and sincere posts from several men on this forum and the general forum but even though I might find them to be lovely submissive gentlemen they live in Norway or New York City or even just Chicago. I cannot offer those men anything and I will not offer simply a fantasy when I'm looking for a steady, regular slave to add to my household.

The rest of it is simply a matter of compatibility in my case not only with me but with my entire household. This would be true on or offline.

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RE: Do slave boys truly understand what service is? - 8/10/2006 11:13:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		i suppose 'service' can mean different things to different people, but to me, it means doing work with absolutely no compensation except that of making Your Domme's life easier.  Personally, i think there's nothing a slave can do which is more rewarding than to do this; going out of his way to make its Owners life easier, with no real return except that of Her happiness; shouldn't that be what every slaves ultimate goal is?  To make its Owner happy?  And what better way to accomplish this than to do Her chores for Her for no other reason other than to make Her happy?  The Woman gets happiness from not having to do work She doesn't want to, and the slave gets happiness from making the Woman happy, its a total win win situation.  In my opinion, if you're in it for sex, you aren't truely a slave, but everyone has their own point of view.  It's too bad its so hard to find Females interested in no strings service (at least by me, anyway) but, oh well.  

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RE: Do slave boys truly understand what service is? - 8/11/2006 3:32:29 AM   
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this is so true i do not know what is going on is it always i can lick you this way, or you will ;love me so after no respect if given an order what oh i forgot no and yes i too would one day like to find love but i have found on who needs works do i think he is worth it i am not sure yet but it is a mess some are so sweet but lol they live in france or some other courty. i do think this has alot to do with anothe post they do not see us a people just object to have and lol lick faster some are very good not all are like this but too many are this way no respect or honor as you said
 
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RE: Do slave boys truly understand what service is? - 8/11/2006 1:57:57 PM   
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RE: Do slave boys truly understand what service is? - 8/11/2006 2:00:17 PM   
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The irony is, she probably feels the same way.

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RE: Do slave boys truly understand what service is? - 8/11/2006 2:01:44 PM   
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RE: Do slave boys truly understand what service is? - 8/11/2006 5:21:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, Ma'am, it's not just You, the observation is painfully vaild. my Goddess gets the same drivel, despite Her detailed requirements in Her profile. You are both of the same mind about slavery and service and most submissive males don't have a clue because they have not been exposed to it. Or were and it didn't fit their fantasies. Which is a problem right there, because they don't understand it's not about that. i've heard the one-liners She receives and wonder how anyone could expect to start a dialogue with such messages. After i spent almost two years pondering approaching Her and not sending my first two petitions, two months ago i spent the better part of a week working on the third one and sent it. And was rewarded for my efforts, as i signed my training contract last weekend. A lesson for, from what i hear, the 90% who don't get it.

It's hard to tell which of You is quoting the other here: "It is about TPE, NOT SEX!"


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RE: Do slave boys truly understand what service is? - 8/11/2006 6:58:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Joined 8/7. Gone 8/11.

I suppose she had enough.




cloudboy,

I am still here, maybe you should try typing My name in on the other side. tisk tisk.

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RE: Do slave boys truly understand what service is? - 8/11/2006 7:01:04 PM   
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No, Ma'am, it's not just You, the observation is painfully vaild. my Goddess gets the same drivel, despite Her detailed requirements in Her profile. You are both of the same mind about slavery and service and most submissive males don't have a clue because they have not been exposed to it. Or were and it didn't fit their fantasies. Which is a problem right there, because they don't understand it's not about that. i've heard the one-liners She receives and wonder how anyone could expect to start a dialogue with such messages. After i spent almost two years pondering approaching Her and not sending my first two petitions, two months ago i spent the better part of a week working on the third one and sent it. And was rewarded for my efforts, as i signed my training contract last weekend. A lesson for, from what i hear, the 90% who don't get it.

It's hard to tell which of You is quoting the other here: "It is about TPE, NOT SEX!"



johnathon,

Congratulations on your training collar, may you serve your Mistress well. And yes it is  about TPE not about Sex.

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RE: Do slave boys truly understand what service is? - 8/11/2006 7:09:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jonathan

No, Ma'am, it's not just You, the observation is painfully vaild. my Goddess gets the same drivel, despite Her detailed requirements in Her profile. You are both of the same mind about slavery and service and most submissive males don't have a clue because they have not been exposed to it. Or were and it didn't fit their fantasies. Which is a problem right there, because they don't understand it's not about that. i've heard the one-liners She receives and wonder how anyone could expect to start a dialogue with such messages. After i spent almost two years pondering approaching Her and not sending my first two petitions, two months ago i spent the better part of a week working on the third one and sent it. And was rewarded for my efforts, as i signed my training contract last weekend. A lesson for, from what i hear, the 90% who don't get it.

It's hard to tell which of You is quoting the other here: "It is about TPE, NOT SEX!"



Good for you.

I wish as more female subs had the actual ability to comprehend and focus that you do. Few seem to have any management ability.

But I guess that is what happens when one would rather *emote* about relationships than think them out.

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