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SusanofO -> Please advise me. I'm scared I am being stalked (8/12/2006 11:06:31 AM)

Well, Thursday afternoon I got home from a pleasant few days at a cabin on a big lake in Iowa, where I had no cares at all, except when to swim and where to go shopping. I was feeling so good, and so adventurous, that last night I decided to (finally) check out the one BDSM 'playhouse" I've heard exists in my town.


A submissive male friend of mine was going to go with me, but his (new) girlfriend asked him out at the last minute, and since I only know one other person in the 'lifestyle' in my town (who was also busy), I decided to visit this house alone. I think I may have made a drastic error in judgment, and am not sure what to do.
Any advice will be appreciated.

This house is not located exactly in the ghetto, but is sort of on the edge of it. It is not in good repair - I have no idea who owns it. It's huge and looks like the Addams family is probably inside. There is a gravel driveway, and I parked and knocked on the door, and was asked for a $10 cover (no problem) from this big black man at the door (the bouncer, I guess). I was wearing street clothes; nothing provacative - black jeans, black loafers, and a long sleeved, ivory-colored lace blouse w/ a scoop neck. I wasn't sure what to wear, and was pretty sure I just wanted to observe whatever might be happening, so I did not "dress up" for the occasion.

The main 'play' areas are in the basement and upstairs. I went to the basement and there were only about 13 people there - and it didn't get any more crowded as the night wore on (although I only stayed about 2 hours). I went to the bar and got a Diet Coke. I turn around, and this really tall, musclular guy w/a hood is staring at me. He comes over and just says to me, apropos of nothing:

"You are a very attractive woman. I'd like to whip you until you cry, and then fuck you."

I wasn't sure if this was a compliment, but maybe. I have to say, I was a little surprised. The room did have a Dungeon Master, but I didn't want to bother him with petty stuff, and I figured it was harmless flattery, so I said:

"Well, I am just here to watch, but thanks."  I went to find a seat on a couch against the wall, and was going to watch a gal getting flogged across the room. He followed me. He said the same thing again. So, I repeated myself.

He said: "I'll see if I can change your mind, then." I said: "Please. I know you are just trying to be friendly. But this is my first time ever to a place like this, and I'd like to just take in the scenery, if you don't mind".

Then, fortunately, I spotted across the room, a gal I'd e-mailed from my town (she is a CM member, too). She didn't recognize me, as I don't have a pic attached to my profile, but I recognized her. I went over and introduced myself. Then I told her I was a bit concerned about this guy who was sort of hitting on me. She said he always hits on the "Newbies", and to just try to ignore him. She and I talked for about a half hour. Then I went to get another Diet Coke. The bartender said that my mystery admirer had paid for all and any drinks I'd order for the evening. I said I wanted to pay anyway. The bartender said it was okay and  wouldn't take my money.

I went back to my (gal) friend, who was saving my seat.
This guy came over to us, and stated his original line, one more time. My gal friend said: "She is brand new here, and you are making her uncomfortable. Please, don't pressure her anymore." He said he was "just admiring an attractive lady" and wandered upstairs. About a half hour later, I decided I'd seen enough, and was ready to leave. I asked the big bouncer guy at the door to walk me to my car (which he kindly did).

I didn't notice anyone was following me until I was about six blocks from my house. Since I live just about three blocks from a main street, when I turned onto my street , and this big Mercury car did as well, following pretty closely, I wondered about it.

Then I reached my long driveway, and parked my car in my garage. I heard a car honk. So I went to the front yard to see who was there. It was the guy from the BDSM house who was trying to pick me up. "You followed me!" I said.

He said: "I did. Sure you won't change your mind? At least now I know how to reach you." I didn't want to act like I was over-reacting, so I just said: "Thanks, but I am really tired (it was only about 10pm). He said: "That's okay, I know where you are now." I said: "Well, it was nice meeting you. I have to go inside now", and walked to my front door. I looked out the window about 10 minutes later, and his car was still in front of my house. This made me nervous. I went upstairs to change clothes.

I looked out the window a half hour later, and his car was still outside the house, but parked a few houses down the street, and the car's lights were off. I almost called the police, but thought better of it - I didn't want to raise a fuss and have this guy hassle me if I ever went back to that house (my gal friend said he is there almost every weekend).  I watched some tv, and then went to bed  a little after midnight.

When I got up this morning, there was a note on my front porch door (my house has an enclosed front porch). It said: "I want to see you. I know where you live. You'll give in eventually - I'll make sure of that". I was upset!

Today, I managed to go to the grocery store,  but am otherwise an emotional wreck. Should I tell my neighbors that I met some kook at a bar that will now not leave me alone, just so someone will know, besides me, that this guy is a potential nut? Next door to me are two lesbian college professors, and they have some friends who are pretty tough-looking bikers. I am thinking that it might not hurt, if they knew, and I know they'd help me keep a look-out for this guy. My other next door neighbor is a 45 year-old guy who still lives with his mother - but he is pretty big, and very helpful to me, and nice, when it comes to things like snowblowing, etc. Should I tell him, too?

Am I over-reacting? Should I feel threatened? Should I call  the police? Should I tell the BDSM house this happened? He didn't do anything to me...he just has a weird approach. He hasn't hurt me, but he has managed to freak me out. I don't know this guy at all. Plus, I am 5'6" and 125 pounds, tops. This guy is well over six feet and over 200 pounds, I am sure.

I am not seeking a partner just now. Sure, I could probably use more bdsm experience, but - judging from his inital appraoch, I am not sure this guy is the one I want to give that to me. Should I be worried about him?

**What do I do here? Anything? I am afraid to come out of my house at night now. The BDSM house was interesting, but if this is what happens when I go, I may never go back. Any advice? Thanks.

- Susan




LadyMorgynn -> RE: Please advise me. I'm scared I am being stalked (8/12/2006 11:13:00 AM)

You are NOT overreacting.  Next time you see his car near your house, call the police IMMEDIATELY.  Tell your neighbors to please call the police if they see him.   AND you should inform those in charge of the dungeon; in fact, you should print out a copy of your post above, just as you wrote it, and give it to them. 




SusanofO -> RE: Please advise me. I'm scared I am being stalked (8/12/2006 11:17:24 AM)

Thanks, Lady Morgynn. I am printing this out. I am also phoning my neighbors. This afternoon. I am also driving over to the BDSM house, this afternoon, and letting them know. If they are not open, I will go back tonight. I will also phone the police. Thanks a bunch.

- Susan[:)]




JoanFrost -> RE: Please advise me. I'm scared I am being stalked (8/12/2006 11:17:41 AM)

I'd say you're underreacting. If you get the creeps from the fellow, trust that and take appropriate measures, i.e. notifying authorities and neighbors. Sure, maybe you're being a little paranoid, but if you are, what harm, ultimately, comes from that? A little embarrassment? Conversely, if your gut is right, and the guy is a potential threat, the only loss comes by doing nothing: he controls you b/c you worry and fret about it, and may even do you physical harm eventually. I don't mean to sound overly harsh, but where is the question here??? What would you tell a girlfriend, or hell, a total stranger, if she came to you with the same question? Be well and follow your instincts.

Joan




SusanofO -> RE: Please advise me. I'm scared I am being stalked (8/12/2006 11:24:17 AM)

Joan, you're right. I know you are. I am calling the police.
I almost wish I ahdn't gone there at all last night. But, I think this kind of thing culd probably happen almost anywhere, and has not much to do with the BDSM house or its customers, and is this guy's weird personality that's the problem.

- Susan




MstrssPassion -> RE: Please advise me. I'm scared I am being stalked (8/12/2006 11:24:21 AM)

Ditto

Don't let this continue.

I would make it a point to inform those that run this house you visited immediately. I am sure there is contact info for those that host this. They may even know this guy if he is in fact a regular & contact him... if they take operating a venue such as this in a responsible manner.

Don't live in fear or be a victim. Protect yourself & contact who ever you need to in order to put a stop to this.




Inhibitor -> RE: Please advise me. I'm scared I am being stalked (8/12/2006 11:29:06 AM)

I think it's always wise to assess the potential conflicts in such a situation, as long as you don't ask "what ifs" to the point of obsession. So, how's your security? Do you have any defenses at home other than a deadbolt? Do you own a registered firearm (if that's legal in your state) or any other kind of "quick negotiator" weapon, and do you know how to use it? Have you ever trained in self defense, or do you feel comfortable with your ability to physically remove yourself from a situation?

If the answer to most of those questions is no (sorry this is sounding like an advertisement, oy), it's probably a good time to do something about them. You cannot control what he does at this point, but you *can* level the playing field. Do whatever you must to make sure that you feel more secure; whether you're under- or over-reacting is a judgement only you can make.
I'm sorry that you're having to deal with this. And honestly, that house sounds pretty sketch. I wouldn't go back.




DoctorDubious -> RE: Please advise me. I'm scared I am being stalked (8/12/2006 11:29:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO

Am I over-reacting? Should I feel threatened? Should I call  the police? Should I tell the BDSM house this happened? He didn't do anything to me...he just has a weird approach. he hasn't hurt me, but he has managed to freak me out. I don't know this guy at all. Plus, I am 5'6" and 125 pounds, tops. This guy is over six feet and over 200 pounds, I am sure.


- Susan


Hey S, and all....

Just my very distant take on it....
and this free advice is worth almost twice what ya paid for it...


Am I over-reacting?
Yes

>>Should I feel threatened?
Yes

>>Should I call  the police?
No


>>Should I tell the BDSM house this happened
Yes

*************

Look, if you still really scared and freaked out
when you wake up on Sunday,
then do something about it.
Fear tends to accumulate and build on itself.

Find out the creepy fucker's name
and have a strong, grounded, articulate  friend of yours phone him
and  very politely tell him that if he ever stalks you again
... or acts innapropriatly...
you'll have his ass up on charges
that will hurt a fuck of a lot more than his limp whip.

Make sure you follow that call up with a very specific letter to him,
clearly copied to your lawyer that briefly details the story,
and your insistance that he leave you alone forever.
Point out specifically that you are copying this story to your lawyer,
and make sure your lawyer gets his copy.

He's doing cheap power tricks with you,
and will continue being a nuisance if you show weakness.

But.... I'll bet you an exploding cigar
that when you meet his flaccid feeble stalking
with strong, resolute, accurate and clear power,
he'll scamper back to hitting on other new faces at the club
and treat you with respectful distance... or avoid you altogether.

Cheap power is always afraid of the real stuff.

DD,
naah, reading it over, I see this free advice
ain't worth double the price at all....
take what you will, and dump the rest...

 




juliaoceania -> RE: Please advise me. I'm scared I am being stalked (8/12/2006 11:29:39 AM)

This is a mistake that many women make, not setting boundaries. I am not picking on you susan, really I am not, I am just hoping that other women can see that we set the boundaries from the first interaction with someone. From the very first interaction I would have treated him just as he deserved to be treated, stony silence and walked away with a glare to boot. If he followed me and repeated himself I would have told him, "bug off". If he wouldn't have listened to me I would have went to the dungeon master, if they blew me off I would have left. If I noticed a car following me I would have pulled over and waited to see what the car did.

I am just pointing this out because women can read what you wrote and apply it to other situations in the future... do not be shy in setting the boundaries of behavior. I would call the police immediately and file a report.. PLEASE tell me you at least got his license number. I would get a restraining order and not go back to that dungeon unless they will honor the restraining order. The man implied a threat to your person susan... do not take it lightly.




SusanofO -> RE: Please advise me. I'm scared I am being stalked (8/12/2006 11:30:48 AM)

Thanks, Mistress Passion. I will do that.

Thanks to all for listening. I guess it is pretty obvious what I should do about this. I think I was just shaken up by it, and needed to talk about it. Thanks for listening, ya'll. I appreciate it a lot.

- Susan




Level -> RE: Please advise me. I'm scared I am being stalked (8/12/2006 11:35:22 AM)

Susan, by all means tell your neighbors, and tell the people at the house as well. This clown needs to have it made clear to him his advances ARE NOT WELCOME. I just hope he has enough sense to listen.




Level -> RE: Please advise me. I'm scared I am being stalked (8/12/2006 11:39:57 AM)

And if you do go back tonight to the house, don't go alone. Maybe see if you can get a friend to spend the night with you, or go to a friend's house for a day or two.




SusanofO -> RE: Please advise me. I'm scared I am being stalked (8/12/2006 11:42:47 AM)

Inhibitor: I have dead bolt locks on my front and back door. The one lock on the back door (which leads to a "Mud Room" before one enters the kitchen) is not all that reliable in that it is loose (but, the door still does lock). I am callling a locksmith Monday to fix it.

No, I don't know self defense. I don't (presently) own a gun. I do carry Mace in my purse (which only helps if you can reach it). I have carried Mace ever since I was raped in college.

I will call the police, the BDSM house, and tell my neighbors to keep their eyes peeled for this guy and his car. Other than that, I can't think of what else to do.

Yes, the house is in pretty poor shape. I don't know if anyone actually lives there. It was kind of dirty looking, and could use a paint job. At least they have the sense to employ a bouncer. I am glad that the bouncer walked me to my car. He was so nice. He said: "That's my job, sweetheart".

- Susan




WhiplashGirlChld -> RE: Please advise me. I'm scared I am being stalked (8/12/2006 11:46:30 AM)

quote:

Cheap power is always afraid of the real stuff.
  You have gotten a lot of good direction here, but I think this is one of the absolute truths.  If you meet him with strength and resolve, and show no weakness, then he will scamper back to the porch like the neighbor's ballsy chihuahua.

I believe this is the precise fear many of us women, D or s or otherwise, have in venturing to such a club.  WE have learned much from your story I think.  I am glad that no real harm has come to you.  It recalls to mind a time when I was newly single and living in a huge house alone.  My neighbors took it upon themselves to write down every license plate they saw in my driveway, and made a point to tell me they were.  It sounds like you have neighbors who could be your best asset.  Capitalize on that, and trust your instincts, and for God's sake - do not be polite.




SusanofO -> RE: Please advise me. I'm scared I am being stalked (8/12/2006 11:47:15 AM)

Doctor D: Great advice. I know his first name, but not his last name (but may be able to find out, if the BDSM house knows). Maybe that gal friend I saw last night would know. I can e-mail her and ask.

It just so happens that both my sister, and brother-in-law (her husband), and a cousin of mine are lawyers (one is a judge)! So I will have no costs there. I will just tell my sister I met him at ....well, maybe I will hire my own lawyer (my sister doesn't know I am ionto bdsm - at all). That's okay, I can get a list of kink friendly lawyers off the internet (if anyone knows where that list is - please tell me as soon as you find it. Otherwise, I can find it).

Great advice. Thanks, Doctor D!

- Susan




SusanofO -> RE: Please advise me. I'm scared I am being stalked (8/12/2006 11:50:21 AM)

julia: I know you are right. You are not the only person who has ever told me I am way to nice to jerks. This is definitely a case in point. To be honest, he scared me from the start - and I thought if I was just nice and acted cool about it all, he'd leave me alone. In fact, it made him more agreessive, apparently.

No, I didn't get his license number; I wasn't thinking clearly - I was too freaked out I guess. But - I will take care of this.

I will call the BDSM house.

I will call my neighbors.

I will have my back door lock fixed.

I will see an attorney - Monday.

Thnaks for listening. It helps.

- Susan




CreativeDominant -> RE: Please advise me. I'm scared I am being stalked (8/12/2006 11:50:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO

Well, Thursday afternoon I got home from a pleasant few days at a cabin on a big lake in Iowa, where I had no cares at all, except when to swim and where to go shopping. I was feeling so good, and so adventurous, that last night I decided to (finally) check out the one BDSM 'playhouse" I've heard exists in my town.


A submissive male friend of mine was going to go with me, but his (new) girlfriend asked him out at the last minute, and since I only know one other person in the 'lifestyle' in my town (who was also busy), I decided to visit this house alone. I think I may have made a drastic error in judgment, and am not sure what to do.
Any advice will be appreciated.

This house is not located exactly in the ghetto, but is sort of on the edge of it. It is not in good repair - I have no idea who owns it. It's huge and looks like the Addams family is probably inside. There is a gravel driveway, and I parked and knocked on the door, and was asked for a $10 cover (no problem) from this big black man at the door (the bouncer, I guess). I was wearing street clothes; nothing provacative - black jeans, black loafers, and a long sleeved, ivory-colored lace blouse w/ a scoop neck. I wasn't sure what to wear, and was pretty sure I just wanted to observe whatever might be happening, so I did not "dress up" for the occasion.

The main 'play' areas are in the basement and upstairs. I went to the basement and there were only about 13 people there - and it didn't get any more crowded as the night wore on (although I only stayed about 2 hours). I went to the bar and got a Diet Coke. I turn around, and this really tall, musclular guy w/a hood is staring at me. He comes over and just says to me, apropos of nothing:

"You are a very attractive woman. I'd like to whip you until you cry, and then fuck you."

I wasn't sure if this was a compliment, but maybe. I have to say, I was a little surprised. The room did have a Dungeon Master, but I didn't want to bother him with petty stuff, and I figured it was harmless flattery, so I said:

"Well, I am just here to watch, but thanks."  I went to find a seat on a couch against the wall, and was going to watch a gal getting flogged across the room. He followed me. He said the same thing again. So, I repeated myself.

He said: "I'll see if I can change your mind, then." I said: "Please. I know you are just trying to be friendly. But this is my first time ever to a place like this, and I'd like to just take in the scenery, if you don't mind".

Then, fortunately, I spotted across the room, a gal I'd e-mailed from my town (she is a CM member, too). She didn't recognize me, as I don't have a pic attached to my profile, but I recognized her. I went over and introduced myself. Then I told her I was a bit concerned about this guy who was sort of hitting on me. She said he always hits on the "Newbies", and to just try to ignore him. She and I talked for about a half hour. Then I went to get another Diet Coke. The bartender said that my mystery admirer had paid for all and any drinks I'd order for the evening. I said I wanted to pay anyway. The bartender said it was okay and  wouldn't take my money.

I went back to my (gal) friend, who was saving my seat.
This guy came over to us, and stated his original line, one more time. My gal friend said: "She is brand new here, and you are making her uncomfortable. Please, don't pressure her anymore." He said he was "just admiring an attractive lady" and wandered upstairs. About a half hour later, I decided I'd seen enough, and was ready to leave. I asked the big bouncer guy at the door to walk me to my car (which he kindly did).

I didn't notice anyone was following me until I was about six blocks from my house. Since I live just about three blocks from a main street, when I turned onto my street , and this big Mercury car did as well, following pretty closely, I wondered about it.

Then I reached my long driveway, and parked my car in my garage. I heard a car honk. So I went to the front yard to see who was there. It was the guy from the BDSM house who was trying to pick me up. "You followed me!" I said.

He said: "I did. Sure you won't change your mind? At least now I know how to reach you." I didn't want to act like I was over-reacting, so I just said: "Thanks, but I am really tired (it was only about 10pm). He said: "That's okay, I know where you are now." I said: "Well, it was nice meeting you. I have to go inside now", and walked to my front door. I looked out the window about 10 minutes later, and his car was still in front of my house. This made me nervous. I went upstairs to change clothes.

I looked out the window a half hour later, and his car was still outside the house, but parked a few houses down the street, and the car's lights were off. I almost called the police, but thought better of it - I didn't want to raise a fuss and have this guy hassle me if I ever went back to that house (my gal friend said he is there almost every weekend).  I watched some tv, and then went to bed  a little after midnight.

When I got up this morning, there was a note on my front porch door (my house has an enclosed front porch). It said: "I want to see you. I know where you live. You'll give in eventually - I'll make sure of that". I was upset!

Today, I managed to go to the grocery store,  but am otherwise an emotional wreck. Should I tell my neighbors that I met some kook at a bar that will now not leave me alone, just so someone will know, besides me, that this guy is a potential nut? Next door to me are two lesbian college professors, and they have some friends who are pretty tough-looking bikers. I am thinking that it might not hurt, if they knew, and I know they'd help me keep a look-out for this guy. My other next door neighbor is a 45 year-old guy who still lives with his mother - but he is pretty big, and very helpful to me, and nice, when it comes to things like snowblowing, etc. Should I tell him, too?


I would tell your neighbors...even if no one else, the lesbian neighbors at least as they might be a bit more understanding than others might in terms of an alternative choice of lifestyle.

quote:

Am I over-reacting?

Not in my opinion.

quote:

  Should I feel threatened?


I'd say that you should at least consider him a potentially serious threat.

quote:

Should I call  the police?


Might not be a bad idea though I would tell them no more than was necessary to show why you are concerned.  Giving them the note that you received from someone who you had spoken less than 20 words to at a party should convince them that there might be a problem. 

quote:

Should I tell the BDSM house this happened? He didn't do anything to me...he just has a weird approach. He hasn't hurt me, but he has managed to freak me out. I don't know this guy at all. Plus, I am 5'6" and 125 pounds, tops. This guy is well over six feet and over 200 pounds, I am sure.
Your size or his doesn't really matter...what does matter is what his behavior has done to affect your actions and feelings.  If the people who run the "house" and the people within this group are responsible BDSM'ers and D/s'ers, they will appreciate being made aware of this fellow's questionable actions, not angry at or dismissive of you for bringing it to their attention

quote:

I am not seeking a partner just now. Sure, I could probably use more bdsm experience, but - judging from his inital appraoch, I am not sure this guy is the one I want to give that to me. Should I be worried about him?
As the father of two daughters, I know I'd be worried about ANY guy that they told me about behaving in this manner, whether they were coming from a vanilla gathering or a D/s gathering.  Sure, dominants may be a bit more aggressive and bold in their behavior but a responsible one will know to back off and I cannot believe that any dominant out there would think this guy's approach and subsequent behavior are proper.

quote:

**What do I do here? Anything? I am afraid to come out of my house at night now. The BDSM house was interesting, but if this is what happens when I go, I may never go back. Any advice? Thanks.

- Susan

I gave you my thoughts above and it seems as if you've gotten some other good advice.  You know that I wish you good luck with this.




swtnsparkling -> RE: Please advise me. I'm scared I am being stalked (8/12/2006 11:51:53 AM)

quote:

nhibitor: I have dead bolt locks on my front and back door. The one lock on the back door (which leads to a "Mud Room" before one enters the kitchen) is not all that relaible in that it is loose (btu, the door still does lock). I am callling a licksmith Monday to fix it.

No, I don't know self defense. I don't (presently) own a gun. I do carry Mace in my purse (which only helps if you can reach it). 


Don't you think your giving out a bit to much info?




zenofeller -> RE: Please advise me. I'm scared I am being stalked (8/12/2006 11:52:53 AM)

wow. the guy delivered the SAME awkward line, out of the blue, out of the wrapper, completely oblivious to how it didn't really work ? not very healthy is it.

as a general thing, why you go on and say "it was nice meeting you" ? was it ? some girls would go for a piss off or im calling the cops. some won't. but if you say things like it was nice meeting you, some reality-divergent people will consider you're leading on. and your admirer seems about as diverged as it gets.

other than that, very by the book stalker behaviour, i don't think you're over-reacting as much as reacting somewhat inapropriately. it's certainly a stalker that's after you, you aren't imagining things. so, forget about being nice to this other guy, and instead deal with the stalker.

you should feel mildly threatened. if i were you i'd lay off the bdsm place, not because of material danger as much as not wanting to be dealing and handling things all the god damned time. your call tho.

and you should be firm and cold, as opposed to your current (perceived) wavering and polite behaviour.

most women are stalked at least once in their lives. to most it's just a mild annoyance. a few end up with broken windows and talking with the cops. very few actually come to harm, but it does happen.




SusanofO -> RE: Please advise me. I'm scared I am being stalked (8/12/2006 11:54:25 AM)

WhiplashGrilChild: I have great neighbors. It helps that I've been a pretty good neighbor, probably . Boy, if I were this guy, two gals I would Not want to tangle with are the lesbian college professors next door. They are very nice (to me) - but are pretty tough women - and they know some other really, really tough folks. I know they will keep an eye out for me.  

There is also this kind of nosy lady who lives on my corner. She is nice to me, but not to everyone on the block (she likes me because I am a Catholic, just like she is). She is 83, and knows every time someone on this block empties their garbage, it seems. She would be a good person to tell. I am sure if she sees anything out of the ordinary, she'll have the cops on the phone. 

- Susan




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