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RE: Entitlement - 8/15/2006 10:40:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ahh yes.. we all expect things and that what makes life interesting...and we all deal with it in different ways when what was expected did not come to be.

I feel i can handle things better when i don't expect them.. but then i learned that during my time as a military spouse.. don't plan anything.. don't expect anything.. he is owned by the united states govenment... lol..


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RE: Entitlement - 8/15/2006 10:47:28 AM   
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RE: Entitlement - 8/15/2006 11:01:47 AM   
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You said that whatever your Master gives you is a gift, but I have to ask aren't these entitlements gifts from you also? You had to give it to him at some point, because you didn't submit to any old body. You were deliberate in your submission weren't you? If he were entitled, you wouldn't have to give him anything, he would have just taken it. 

Your questions are difficult for me to answer, because "aren't these entitlements gifts from you also?" is not something I relate to.  I am not a believer that my submission is a gift.  It is true, I would not be owned by just anybody, and once I learned the person he was, I wanted to be owned by him.  He did not just come in and take it, this is true, because that is not how he is.  He does not want any doubt in his mind whether or not the person submitting to him wants to be there.  Therefore he did not claim to own me, or ask to own me, rather waited for me to ask him to own me, which I did.  Once I gave myself to him (I still owned myself until I offered it to him and he accepted the offer), he owned me and therefore became entitled to what he wishes.  Since I do not own him or lay claim to him, what he gives me is not something I am entitled, to, but a gift.  Clear as mud? :) 

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You also stated that he could change anytime and you would remain his, and I have to ask if that is really true. I would not stay with someone that abused me for example, or that I found out committed crimes of some sort. I am sure your master would never do anything like that, but I am speaking of the hypothetical, if someone turns out to be the opposite of what they purported to be, would you stay out of some notion of "ownership"? Can they lose their entitlement? If they can lose their entitlement, were they ever really entitled? We can lose our rights if we abuse them.

I can only speak for me here.  It is nearly impossible for me to see Master changing that drastically.  Since I am allowed and encouraged ongoing conversation, and can freely bring forth concerns and fears, should expectations change, I would be allowed to talk about them.  The idea of him suddenly changing overnight into a completely different person than he is today, is mere fantasy, and does not seem to contribute anything meaningful to the discussion.  However, if he did gradually change, I would remain where I am.  We had a situation in the past which forced me to rethink exactly what I am stating here.  And it was then that I realized I am his until such a day comes should he decide I am not.
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I think that giving up a sense of entitlement like you have is a good thing no matter what the reason. You still have human rights. The right to be free from abuse, the right to food, the right to shelter, the right to feel safe and have your needs met... but you are not entitled to these things, no one is. If we were we would all have them, and we don't.

I agree with this point.  To my good fortune, Master believes in those human rights, also.  I would not have begged his ownership if he did not. :)

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RE: Entitlement - 8/15/2006 11:21:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I guess my point is there are rights and there are entitlements..and perhaps one word is more appropriate than another?

I was drawing a hypothetical for you to ponder even though it may be shear fantasy in your eyes. I believe it has occured to other slaves/subs that were in the collar of one that misrepresented themselves and then they had to make a choice accordingly that they did not belong to their master anymore. I know this is a stretch of imagination for you, but if  you put yourself in the situation that perhaps you were in the ownership of one that committed rape (Im using a drastic example of course because I am trying to illustrate a point) that he would probably cease to be your owner. I am talking hypothetical for the sake of discourse, and it is just to illustrate that entitlement only goes as far as the owned property says it goes, and it goes no further. If it were a true entitlement you would not have the ability to decide to take it from him.. you see my point? It is one reason that some say true slavery is not possible in a free society and that one cannot consent to their own slavery. I think of slavery as more of a mindset personally, and not the literal interpretation, but I think you understand what I mean.

My Daddy and I talked about entitlement on the phone, and he brought up the rape scenario.. if someone rapes an indivdual, takes what they wanted, some would say they entitled themselves to rape another. The person that was raped was given no choice, and had no opporunity to withdraw consent. Some would say that if they took something by force they entitled themselves to it. Only laws that take away rights negate this sense of entitlement. Someone may have no moral right to something they entitle themselves to is my point.

These are just some thoughts on the word entitlement, and why some may have trouble with it is all.


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RE: Entitlement - 8/15/2006 11:48:19 AM   
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I guess my point is there are rights and there are entitlements..and perhaps one word is more appropriate than another?

My word entitlement was appropriate for the OP because entitlement was precisely what I was talking about when I wrote it.  Yes, people do have rights, but that is a diffierent subject entirely.  My topic was that I felt entitled to certain things and realized I shouldn't.  My question was to others, how they felt about it in their relationships.  In return, many have said they don't like that word.

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I was drawing a hypothetical for you to ponder even though it may be shear fantasy in your eyes. I believe it has occured to other slaves/subs that were in the collar of one that misrepresented themselves and then they had to make a choice accordingly that they did not belong to their master anymore. I know this is a stretch of imagination for you, but if  you put yourself in the situation that perhaps you were in the ownership of one that committed rape (Im using a drastic example of course because I am trying to illustrate a point) that he would probably cease to be your owner. I am talking hypothetical for the sake of discourse, and it is just to illustrate that entitlement only goes as far as the owned property says it goes, and it goes no further. If it were a true entitlement you would not have the ability to decide to take it from him.. you see my point? It is one reason that some say true slavery is not possible in a free society and that one cannot consent to their own slavery. I think of slavery as more of a mindset personally, and not the literal interpretation, but I think you understand what I mean.

I do, and should such a thing happen then I would find myself owned by some total and complete stranger all of a sudden, because my Master would never do such a thing, so to even fantasize about it would be fantasizing about the impossible.  Master won't even rape-play, as he abhors the idea of rape so much.  So yes, it's a stretch.  So all I can answer is that if suddenly I woke up to be owned by a complete and total stranger, then I would have to rethink my words.  Since I do not expect that to happen, my words continue to apply to my situation.


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RE: Entitlement - 8/15/2006 11:57:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		It was a stretch..smiles... your master sounds wonderful owndedgirlie. I just take things down the road a ways... that's all. It is the curious person in me.

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RE: Entitlement - 8/15/2006 12:08:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not a problem, Julia!  I love your questions; they make us think.  And yeah, I think he's kinda wonderful, too

I appreciate your great discussions. :)

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RE: Entitlement - 8/15/2006 4:36:16 PM   
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I think the sentence changes its meaning when we change the emphasis:  I am not ENTITLED to anything.  He may give me all that I can possibly want or need, but that is his gift to me.  That is my perspective, anyway.


a quick post... before I make another longer response...


I am not Entitled to anything    is the same as saying   >>>>  I am Entitled to Nothing!

Therefore .. you do have an Entitlement..... it just happens to be Nothing!  By allowing yourself to be Entitled to Nothing.. anything you do recieve can be glorified and savored beyond what you could do if you had specifics that you believe yourself entitled to.

What do you appreciate and savor more...   The gift Unexpected..  or the gift Expected.

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RE: Entitlement - 8/15/2006 6:46:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
I am speaking of the hypothetical, if someone turns out to be the opposite of what they purported to be, would you stay out of some notion of "ownership"? Can they lose their entitlement? If they can lose their entitlement, were they ever really entitled? We can lose our rights if we abuse them.


I would like to answer the question of “what if they change and become something different than what they were, do you stay in the relationship?”  The answer to that is “it depends”.  It depends on many things, just because he might change does not automatically remove his ownership of me.  If he changes because all along he was lying about who he was; then yes the first consideration would be to end the relationship.  However, there are many reasons that someone can change throughout their life and sometimes drastically change who they are. 

I had an uncle with a brain tumor and after a time, his personality was completely different.  He became very cruel and harsh.  Should his wife have left him because he was no longer the man she married?  My father went to war and came back a changed man; should my mother have left him just because he was not the man she married or stay and see if she can love the man he became?  There are many other reasons and some not so drastic that can change people.  Do you automatically leave them because they are no longer the person you first met?  Or do you see if you can also accept the person they have become? 

I think that you have a responsibility to the commitment made in the past to honestly evaluate if the relationship can continue.  Sometimes it may end and other times there may need to be a renewal of the commitment given, but I don’t think that someone can make a blanket statement that the relationship will be over.

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RE: Entitlement - 8/15/2006 8:23:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have found this thread interesting.  It is particularly interesting to consider what individuals are associating with the word:  Entitlement.  It seems people are associate thoughts and ideals that go beyond the defined understanding of the word itself.


“Entitlement” defined: belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges.

This indicates that Entitlement is a belief!  Like any belief, it originates within a person’s mental/emotional thought processes and not based on any factual absolute or universal truth.

IE 
Universal Truth; I need food/water to live.

Entitlement; I have a Right to have food/water to live

This entitlement originates within my own personal desire to live.  However, to live doesn’t equate to be happy and fulfilled.  These are other issues which in themselves can equate to beliefs that transcend to entitlements.

I would also suggest that having entitlements do not equate to them being fulfilled.  In fact nothing in the definition equates that entitlements will be fulfilled.   Many have beliefs of things they deserve that never occur.  Their lack of fulfillment is not an indication that one doesn’t deserve to have food or not.

Entitlements can evolve.  Consider Human Rights.  Such concepts originated with the belief of individuals.  So powerful are these beliefs that influential individuals and governments validated and promoted these beliefs.  They promoted them to such a regard that we have adopted these beliefs as a basic principle within the context of Human Rights.  However, as we see in countless situations, the fulfillments of these rights are not a guarantee.  Therefore, Human Rights are just Entitlements that have gained validation a shared belief within a greater part of our society.  That is how it is with any Rights that are fundamental based on beliefs

This is how it works within our relationships.  We have beliefs of things that we feel deserving to.  When we share these beliefs with another the potential of significant relationship increases.   I suggest that a shared understanding of what we are entitled to within our relationships is a fundamental aspect in building a lasting and strong relationship with one another.

The second aspect to consider with the definition of Entitlements’ is the question of Privileges.  The use of privilege within the definition of Entitlement is of important consideration.  It almost goes contrary to the defined understanding of “deserving”.

Privilege defined: a right or immunity granted as a peculiar benefit, advantage, or favour.

The use of privilege indicates that an entitlement is also “Granted” to another.   Therefore, we may believe ourselves to be deserving of something.  But our belief in of itself doesn’t equate it to be an entitlement.  For it to be an entitlement there is also the granting of benefit, advantage or favour from one individual to another.  Thus a person can’t unilateral entitle themselves to anything.


For example, I believe myself be deserving of the obedience of my slaves.  However, for this to be an entitlement my girls must recognize myself deserving of their obedience and grant me the privilege of their obedience.  I may consider myself deserving of the obedience of all slaves.  But, if such privilege is not granted, then I will not have the obedience of all slaves and therefore no entitlement is obtained.


Now I don’t think it is necessarily a bad thing that one has entitlements.  I do not believe that a person slave or otherwise stating that they have no entitlements will make them a good slave or even a great slave or whatever label they wish to use.  In fact, I suggest that it is very possible that such a person could be a horrible slave because of it.

When I collared my girls, I felt and believed them deserving of the privilege of being my slaves.  There reciprocal belief of deserving to be my slaves validates my opinion and view of them.  They are in effect agreeing with me.  If they are to feel undeserving, they are actually questioning my judgement and decision to collar them.  If they feel undeserving to be mine they are in effect doing a disservice and dishonour to me by accepting or being collared to me.  By feeling deserving to be my slaves they are stating that they will and can serve me and please me and that they will do me honour in their acts of submission towards me.

However, I believe that a person must guard against false entitlements.   I suggest that false entitlements are those things that we unrealistic in what we consider our own selves deserving of.  It would be intense false entitlement to consider myself deserving of the obedience of all slaves.  It would also be situations where a person fails to appreciate and respect that the entitlement is a granted privilege.  How many times have we only appreciated what we have after we have lost it.  In essence, these are situation where we turned an entitlement into another’s obligation towards us and forgot our own obligation towards them.  We forget that entitlement is a privilege and not a guarantee.

When I read the OP’s thoughts and opinions with regards to freeing herself of entitlements, I see a person that is attempting to shed herself of False entitlements.  I would suggest that going to the extreme as saying that one has no entitlements would be very unwise and even foolhardy.  It is not a question of No entitlements… It is a question of appreciating and respecting the appropriately deserving entitlements.


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RE: Entitlement - 8/15/2006 8:33:09 PM   
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I would like to answer the question of “what if they change and become something different than what they were, do you stay in the relationship?”  The answer to that is “it depends”.  It depends on many things, just because he might change does not automatically remove his ownership of me.  If he changes because all along he was lying about who he was; then yes the first consideration would be to end the relationship.  However, there are many reasons that someone can change throughout their life and sometimes drastically change who they are. 

I had an uncle with a brain tumor and after a time, his personality was completely different.  He became very cruel and harsh.  Should his wife have left him because he was no longer the man she married?  My father went to war and came back a changed man; should my mother have left him just because he was not the man she married or stay and see if she can love the man he became?  There are many other reasons and some not so drastic that can change people.  Do you automatically leave them because they are no longer the person you first met?  Or do you see if you can also accept the person they have become? 

I think that you have a responsibility to the commitment made in the past to honestly evaluate if the relationship can continue.  Sometimes it may end and other times there may need to be a renewal of the commitment given, but I don’t think that someone can make a blanket statement that the relationship will be over.

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Just because someone changes like the people you mentioned above does not mean you leave them, but it could affect the Ms dynamic. My mom's husband died recently after living through cardiac arrest for 15 minutes and a stroke that caused the cardiac arrest. He was not the same person. He was blind and brain damaged and his memory was gone. he had COPD and emphysema. He was childlike. If I was with someone that had these troubles I would care for them like we cared for him, but I do not know if a power exchange relationship could be possible under those circumstances. You become like a parent in some cases. If it was an illness where the person's mental faculties were in tact my opinion would differ

My example was of a different nature, but it was interesting to consider your hypotheticals.

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RE: Entitlement - 8/15/2006 8:38:49 PM   
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RE: Entitlement - 8/16/2006 12:21:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK Owned... per your request I reread everything. And still disagree. Entitlement means different things to different people I'm sure. KoM just about said it but yet though I agree with him....I disagree too.

I believe in everyone being entitled. And to say you're not entitled to anything... is what I disagree with. Even when KoM said you're entitled to nothing. I disagree. You're entitled to be happy. If you're not happy... then you can't make others happy. You're entitled to alot of things.. that allow you to be who you are....and to be able to give to another all of yourself.  To state that you are only entitled to what someone allows you.. to me is horseshit. But then again we all know I don't allows agree with the sub/slave protocols. Even a sub that claims to be a slave ( or is depending on how one cast themselves).. they're still entitled to many things. Even if they state it's only because the owner allows it... is not so... it's because it's how it is period. No one allows it... it just is.  Entitlements come and go... it's all in how one looks at them. But they're still there...


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RE: Entitlement - 8/16/2006 12:25:52 AM   
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OK Owned... per your request I reread everything. And still disagree. Entitlement means different things to different people I'm sure. KoM just about said it but yet though I agree with him....I disagree too.

I believe in everyone being entitled. And to say you're not entitled to anything... is what I disagree with. Even when KoM said you're entitled to nothing. I disagree. You're entitled to be happy. If you're not happy... then you can't make others happy. You're entitled to alot of things.. that allow you to be who you are....and to be able to give to another all of yourself.  To state that you are only entitled to what someone allows you.. to me is horseshit. But then again we all know I don't allows agree with the sub/slave protocols. Even a sub that claims to be a slave ( or is depending on how one cast themselves).. they're still entitled to many things. Even if they state it's only because the owner allows it... is not so... it's because it's how it is period. No one allows it... it just is.  Entitlements come and go... it's all in how one looks at them. But they're still there...



you read... but yet you don't hear... I never said "that she is not entitled to nothing".  Your lack of hearing what is said doesn't allow you to appreciate what is said.

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RE: Entitlement - 8/16/2006 12:28:40 AM   
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I mis - quoted you in my post.. but I did still state why I disagreed...


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RE: Entitlement - 8/16/2006 2:34:19 AM   
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 In essence, these are situation where we turned an entitlement into another’s obligation towards us and forgot our own obligation towards them.  We forget that entitlement is a privilege and not a guarantee. 


This is the sentence that helped the topic gel for me.  I was able to relate it to a metaphor of a work environment.  An employer sets the rules and the pay scale.  When I accept employment, I am given a set of rules to follow, the basic rule being that I do the work that is expected of me for X number of hours a week, and in return, I am entitled to a paycheck at the end of the pay period.  Not all employers provide health insurance for their workers, or paid sick leave, or bonus checks at the end of the year.  I may wish I had these benefits, but it is unrealistic to expect them because they were never part of the equation.  Let us say, for the sake of this argument, that I am very happy with my job; it is fulfilling work and I enjoy what I do.  There may come a time when I could use a bonus to pay an unexpected bill.  I certainly can go to my employer and inquire if this is a possibility, but very likely the answer will be 'no', one of the reasons being it was never part of the original agreement.  That doesn't mean my request is 'wrong' or 'bad', it simply means I now have a need that is not getting met.  Nor does it mean my employer is 'wrong' or 'bad' for not meeting this need of mine.
And so I have to think of other options; one, I could leave;
or two, realize that this need isn't going to be met from that source and decide to stay because overall I am happy there ;
and three, accept the fact that I am not entitled to a bonus just because I now need it.
Granted, an employer/employee relationship is different from a personal one, but the basic truths remain.  There is an original agreement and sometimes our needs change. If one is getting most of their needs met, if one is happy overall with the way the agreement is working, then our obligations are clear.   

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RE: Entitlement - 8/16/2006 6:13:28 AM   
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.. if someone rapes an indivdual, takes what they wanted, some would say they entitled themselves to rape another.


"Entitled" defined "to furnish with proper grounds for seeking or claiming something"

some may say it.... but the use of entitled is to equate them to having justification to taking the actions.  The question;is there justification for the action?  I would suspect that the overwhelming majority would say that a person is NOT entitled to rape another nonconsensually.   So regardless if the person wishes to claim they are entitled doesn't make them entitled.  They must first provide grounds/justifications to be entitled.


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The person that was raped was given no choice, and had no opporunity to withdraw consent. Some would say that if they took something by force they entitled themselves to it.


This is an improper use of the word "Entitled".... To be entitled doesn't equate to "Take what you want "  The very fact that a person didn't consent negates the a person from being entitled to taking the action in the first place.

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Only laws that take away rights negate this sense of entitlement. Someone may have no moral right to something they entitle themselves to is my point.


No.. laws are not the only thing that negate the sense of entitlement.  Each indivdual has the power to negate entitlement towards oneself and in some regards another person.  Am I entitled to call you (specifically you) a whore bitch slut cunt useless?  I think not.  I may do so... but having the ability to do and doing it doesn't equate to me being entitled to do.  I have not the justifications or consent to take such action.  Without the justifications or consent I am not entitled.  But not being entitled doesn't stop me from taking any action I so choose.

There seems to be a misperception that one is entitled if they can take the action.  I am able to kill someone... does that make me entitled?    In fact... if I kill someone because it was a situation of self-defense... I just might be entitled.  If i walk up to some strange and blow their brains out... i just might not be entitled.  If that person I killed Raped my young or slave... some may considered me entitled.. others may still say that I am not entitled.  It is a question of what one believes.

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These are just some thoughts on the word entitlement, and why some may have trouble with it is all.


Some have trouble with the word entitlement because they don't actually understand it's definition.  They use it improperly and create confusion.  Or differences of beliefs will result in differences in opinions of what one is entitled to or not.



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RE: Entitlement - 8/16/2006 6:57:46 AM   
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Some have trouble with the word entitlement because they don't actually understand it's definition.  They use it improperly and create confusion.  Or differences of beliefs will result in differences in opinions of what one is entitled to or not.





I agree with you. It would be a pretty boring world if we would agree on everything.

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RE: Entitlement - 8/16/2006 7:30:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Main Entry: en·ti·tle·ment
Pronunciation: -'tI-t&l-m&nt
Function: noun
1 a : the state or condition of being entitled : RIGHT b : a right to benefits specified especially by law or contract
2 : a government program providing benefits to members of a specified group; also : funds supporting or distributed by such a program
3 : belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges

Number 1 and number 3 would be the definition I am thinking of. An example:

George Bush twists the law and breaks it to invade Iraq, he has the weapons to do so, even though he has no contractual right under the laws of this country or or international law. He does so because he believes he is entitled, and our military gave him the entitlement in his mind, he has the wherewithall, and he has the desire, and he did it.

ownedgirlie's definition would be part B of number one. It isn't that I do not understand the word, it is the fact that I am using it differently

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RE: Entitlement - 8/16/2006 8:21:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Main Entry: en·ti·tle·ment
Pronunciation: -'tI-t&l-m&nt
Function: noun
1 a : the state or condition of being entitled : RIGHT b : a right to benefits specified especially by law or contract
2 : a government program providing benefits to members of a specified group; also : funds supporting or distributed by such a program
3 : belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges

Number 1 and number 3 would be the definition I am thinking of. An example:

George Bush twists the law and breaks it to invade Iraq, he has the weapons to do so, even though he has no contractual right under the laws of this country or or international law. He does so because he believes he is entitled, and our military gave him the entitlement in his mind, he has the wherewithall, and he has the desire, and he did it.

ownedgirlie's definition would be part B of number one. It isn't that I do not understand the word, it is the fact that I am using it differently


yes you use it differently.. you use it without regard to what it actually means.

first... it's your opinion that he twisted the law... others would say he didn't.. Some would say the law entitled him to take the actions he did.  Some would say the responsbilities of office compelled him to take actions that he and his government deemed hostile to the interests of the United States and it's citizens.  However being entitled to take action doesn't mean action will be taken.  Bush only had the determination to exercise these entitlements that given to him not taken.

Many governments where entitled to Stop Hitler's aggressive actions long before world war II erupted.  However, their entitlements didn't make them take military actions to his invasions.  In fact Chamberlain took a policy of appeasement instead.  It was only when Hilter Invaded Poland that Governments acted upon their entitlements and take military actions.


The right to benefits  Does not equate to excercise those rights.  I have the right to various health care benefits from work.  However, I don't exercise many of these entitlements.  I don't exercise them because I have no need too.  If and when I do.. I will exercise my right to these benefits.   The benefits are my entitlements.  Benefits that I have the option to exercise from my work because I in return fulfill the obligations to maintain my employee with the company I work for.  Regards if I never use the benefits.. they will always remain my entitlements as long as I work for the company.

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