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RE: Entitlement - 8/16/2006 12:58:28 PM

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On edit I misread your post, I must say I do not understand misreading the privilege part, belief you deserve a privilege? I do not understand

I do not understand what you saying here or refering to specifically

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RE: Entitlement - 8/16/2006 12:59:33 PM

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Here is the whole quote in its entirety... I feel as though my words are being twisted

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but the point of this thread is not about government entitlements is it?... we are talking about entitlements within a relationship context. Be that relationship M/s or D/s or maybe just typical mainstream boyfriend/girlfriend.

So really what is the point of your last post?

I brought up that because you said I was not applying the full definition

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people have trouble with definition #3 because they choose not to apply the full contents of the definition. They generally neglect the "privilege" part

All three are different definitions.

On edit I misread your post, I must say I do not understand misreading the privilege part, belief you deserve a privilege? I do not understand

If it is a red herring to say I misread your post and that I wanted clarification I see no point in continuing this discussion because there is no possible way I am going to learn anything or be edified by it, and that is my reason for being here.

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RE: Entitlement - 8/16/2006 1:02:46 PM

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considering I was responding to your post before you editted.. your response is out of context to what I said.

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RE: Entitlement - 8/16/2006 1:13:00 PM

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I dunno, I kind of see a government 'entitlement' as similar to any other entitlement. The privilage to receive said entitlement is based on rules, requirements, agreement and the trust that you meet the rules, requirements and agreement...otherwise ya aren't entitled.

No?

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RE: Entitlement - 8/16/2006 1:13:03 PM

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I will explain after I get back from a job interview. I do not think I am coming across the way I am intending, my neck is killing me and I am dreading the heat outside, but I will valiantly be back and attempt again..smiles

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RE: Entitlement - 8/16/2006 1:34:07 PM

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I dunno, I kind of see a government 'entitlement' as similar to any other entitlement. The privilage to receive said entitlement is based on rules, requirements, agreement and the trust that you meet the rules, requirements and agreement...otherwise ya aren't entitled.

No?

their is indeed some similiarities... but there are some distinctions as well.

Just off the top of my head.... I would say the formality is different between government/legal entitlements as compared to relationship entitlements. Within the relationship our emotions can have a huge impact on what we believe we can offer to another.

Consider you believe you are in a loving relaitonship with someone. You both have established some entitlements in the relationship of time. but then you discover that he was cheating on you. In fact you find out alot of lies have occurred within the relationship. In moments you can remove the entitlements that he has... of course... there is the possiblity of obligations that are their... such as house and young. When you look to the law.. you will see that even thou you revoked relationship entitlements... there is some legal entitlements that exist... you yourself don't have the power to simply remove all entitlments. So with the legal/government there is some formal rules/laws that gives entitlements to both of you. We hire lawyers etc etc etc... all to remove or constrict entittlements and in some cases place obligations like support etc.

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RE: Entitlement - 8/16/2006 1:38:26 PM

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Yes, Sir...I understand that; but saw the similarities in the fact that all entitlements are 'granted' ... never assumed.

Thank you for your posts...as always you make me think and my ideas clearer.
(to me. LOL).

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RE: Entitlement - 8/16/2006 2:04:08 PM

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I misread your post before concerning privilege. I thought you were saying that all the meanings were related and therefore I was pointing out they were not, I was mistaken in your meaning.

I still do not understand what you mean by:

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people have trouble with definition #3 because they choose not to apply the full contents of the definition. They generally neglect the "privilege" part

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RE: Entitlement - 8/16/2006 2:37:02 PM

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As a general rule I have trouble with the idea that I am entitled to anything. Some things I can have and others I cannot. I can't expect anyone, dominant or otherwise, to provide me with anything...probably not even the state. I also have a bit of a problem with finally taking on board the fact that I have to solve my own problems. It would be rather nice if someone else were responsible for that, but they're not.

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RE: Entitlement - 8/16/2006 2:44:12 PM

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Women have an instinctual desire to be provided with a nest in which to rear children.

I've never had the slightest inclination to breed, so any nesting desires I have are entirely independent of that and certainly unrelated to expecting a man to 'provide' for me.

So far as I know I qualify as being biologically female...otherwise the medical profession have been wasting their time calling me up for smear tests for all those years.

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RE: Entitlement - 8/16/2006 3:53:46 PM

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I misread your post before concerning privilege. I thought you were saying that all the meanings were related and therefore I was pointing out they were not, I was mistaken in your meaning.

I still do not understand what you mean by:

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people have trouble with definition #3 because they choose not to apply the full contents of the definition. They generally neglect the "privilege" part

what I am refering to is that the person makes the assertion that they are entitled to something and disregard the fact that it is a granted priviledge that they must earn first for such entitlement to be obtained.

When one realizes that entitlements are an earned privilege that is granted by others. We can begin to appreciate the postive nature that such entitlements can entail.

As I have said before... Cheaply given is Cheaply valued. I myself feel alot of postive self regard when I have earned the privilege of a submissive that has thoughtful considered and decides to address me as "Sir" Since I have earned this privilege I will feel entitled to it. But since I have required to give much to earn such a privilege... I value the entitlement all the more.

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RE: Entitlement - 8/16/2006 4:18:14 PM

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The point I was making is that most people I know believe they are entitled to things they are not. They feel they are entitled because of the family they were born into or the country they were born in, and when I hear entitlement I think of it in that way.

There are so many people that are more entitled and deserving than I am in this world, and yet there is much that I have that I never merited or earned, It is something I have thought of like Sunshine has, I just do not think we are entitled to anything.

To me ownedgirlie's sense of giving up her entitlement (although from a different source than my spiritual understanding) is a beautiful thing, an epiphany moment. It is not for me to say it is right or wrong.. it is just where she is. From what I see on the boards she is an amazing woman!

I think that the word can be used in different ways. My Daddy doesn't feel entitled to anything from me, but from what we discussed it has the same connotations and spiritual meaning to us that we are not really entitled to anything. I give what I give because I want to give it, he takes what I give. He actually cannot earn my submission, I can give him entitlements to me, and he can exercise the rights that I give him, but he doesn't feel entitled. He doesn't feel he has "earned" me. Im not for sale to earn...smiles. I know most (at least from a recent thread I assume it is most) think that submission is not a gift. In my opinion it is a gift I choose to give every day. My gift is not his entitlement. His dominance is a gift also. I do not know if he sees submission as a gift or not, it has never been necessary for me to ask, but he certainly treats it like one in my opinion. He never assumes anything when it comes to what rights he has to me and what he doesn't have rights to, and I have given a little here and a little there, and found myself and my submission in a deeper way with him.. ok, enough, I am getting mushy...smiles

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