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popeye1250 -> RE: The stalker is back. I got another note. I am officially freaked out now. (8/18/2006 4:24:05 PM)

Scorpio, I just looked up your profile and you're in Calif.
Man! They have some Draconian laws *against* owning or carrying firearms in your state!
You guys need to get some good people into state govt. and clean that mess up!
Guns do work! Remember the Korean shopkeepers and the riots back in.....1992. (?)
In this state (South Carolina) you can carry a loaded firearm (Hand gun) in your car as long as it's in the glove box or the console.
No "permit" needed.
That'd be a "felony" in Calif!
There are a few states that are thinking about doing away with the "permitting" process all together under the school of thinking that "you shouldn't need a "permit" to excercise a right."
You don't need a "permit" to excercise your right to free speech or to vote or for any other of the "rights" in the Bill of Rights."
In Vermont if you wish to carry a loaded gun under your coat you just do so. No "permits" of any kind needed in that state.



popeye1250 -> RE: The stalker is back. I got another note. I am officially freaked out now. (8/18/2006 4:35:09 PM)

Yeah, forget that, Susan, if you really want to be CRUEL to this creep there's always that Jehovah's Witness guy you can sick on him!



MrDiscipline44 -> RE: The stalker is back. I got another note. I am officially freaked out now. (8/18/2006 4:37:21 PM)

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First and foremost: if you love someone, a little jail time is worth it if it keeps your loved one healthy and in one piece.
And how much time in jail have you done for a loved one? If your answer is none then your full of shit. Practice what you preach before getting on your podium. Also, how do you know how much time a person will do in Nebraska for assault? Assault with a weapon? If you don't know you should stow the stupid shit before you get someone in more trouble then your worth.

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And how many judges and jury are going to throw the max at a man standing up for his loved one/or friend?
If they hurt the person to the point of putting them in the hospital they could get a mandatory sentence depending on the state. Police would be all up susans ass because there is already a link between her and this guy. If anything is done to this guy before he actually puts susan in danger, he no longer is the prep, he becomes the victim. There by giving him more power over her.

Some people should try using that modicum of gray matter given to them before spewing crap.



NYsub1 -> RE: The stalker is back. I got another note. I am officially freaked out now. (8/18/2006 5:01:58 PM)

Except for a few it seems one disturbed person is getting advise from a whole slew of disturbed people. Here is my advise, Ok your going to need a thermonuclear bomb (check wallmart). Your also going to need a pony, a number two pencil, one pack of instant Jello (green works best,) seven paper clips, one tampon (unused) get those together. Now i can't help you from here but will say this one time at band camp.....
Also i would call the NAACP first then the ACLU and do not forget to call Fish and Wildlife you never know if this guy is a liberal man bear pig.



popeye1250 -> RE: The stalker is back. I got another note. I am officially freaked out now. (8/18/2006 5:12:19 PM)

Mr. D, I did 5 days in jail one time for a friend. (long story but I actually did it.)



swtnsparkling -> RE: The stalker is back. I got another note. I am officially freaked out now. (8/18/2006 5:16:07 PM)

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. Here is my advise, Ok your going to need a thermonuclear bomb (check wallmart). Your also going to need a pony, a number two pencil, one pack of instant Jello (green works best,) seven paper clips, one tampon (unused) get those together. Now i can't help you from here but will say this one time at band camp..... 

Laughing



NYsub1 -> RE: The stalker is back. I got another note. I am officially freaked out now. (8/18/2006 5:26:11 PM)

And to be honest im not even trying to be a troll about things, Im just blown away by these recent stalker posts. You have to be the same people who feel the need to pass on chain letters and say a prayer every time little Jimmy needs new lungs emails. Oh yeah pass this on or your gonna fall down steps.



indigo302 -> RE: The stalker is back. I got another note. I am officially freaked out now. (8/18/2006 5:50:20 PM)

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The only way this guy could know I was in France in June was if he was on my porch earlier this week and looked at the pics my dad had developed of that trip I took with my family and that he left for me on my porch swing earlier this week.

Those pictures were sealed in an envelope - addressed to Suzie. I think his name is not Suzie.


Pictures left in an envelope on the porch aren't considered mail like something that was sent through the post office.

I do hope Susan takes the advice of those who've posted in both threads and protects herself in some way.....




Agrum -> RE: The stalker is back. I got another note. I am officially freaked out now. (8/18/2006 5:57:33 PM)

Someone may of already said this... But wouldn't the people with the most experience regarding a stalker and securing your home be the police...? Have them check your house and advice you on the best ways to stay safe...



SweetSarijane -> RE: The stalker is back. I got another note. I am officially freaked out now. (8/18/2006 6:03:34 PM)

Susan, I've followed both threads and just wanted to let you know you're in my thoughts and prayers and I see some excellent advice given in both threads. Be safe and please let us know you're still ok.



MasterNdorei -> RE: The stalker is back. I got another note. I am officially freaked out now. (8/18/2006 6:11:49 PM)

If you live in California, the state has great stalking laws.

i have not been able to read all of this thread, but i have read enough to suggest you call the police. The police can advise you what to do to make yourself safer, and possibly their presence will detour the one who is not leaving you alone...

Good Luck~*



angelthighhighs -> RE: The stalker is back. I got another note. I am officially freaked out now. (8/18/2006 6:23:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Prophet, once someone gets into your house you shoot them.
You don't ask them what they're doing, you don't talk to them.
Just open up.
At that point if they're in your house something bad is going to happen to *YOU* unless you neutralize them.
That's no time to be worried about "laws".
At that point *THEY* called it, not you.


depends on what state you live in. i know in NJ you are not allowed to use "force" that isn't equal to theirs, ie if they have a gun you can, if they have a baseball bat and you have a gun....you can't use it unless its to hit him over the head.  i know this personally as far as in jersey.  a friend of mine and his wife were sleeping someone broke in and he was trying to rape the wife.  my friend shot and killed the guy and he was put in jail for murder...he's still there that was 5 years ago.  the reason was the guy didn't have a gun and he used force that was equal to the intruder.



Chaingang -> RE: The stalker is back. I got another note. I am officially freaked out now. (8/18/2006 6:43:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ProphetPX
...and I HAVE HEARD and READ about there having been SOME LEGAL PRECEDENTS in various states that have happened in actual court cases with real people, of course:  a person who lives in a house can actually get SUED by the burglar / invader, who was attacked in self-defense with any weapon at all.


Yeah, this is correct. I am not a lawyer so this isn't legal advise, but as a layperson I found that this covers it fairly well:

"The 'Lectric Law Library's Lexicon On Self-Defense Defense"
http://www.lectlaw.com/def/d030.htm

You wouldn't want to fatally injure an unarmed person in self-defense. That would be wrong.

Whatever you decide to do - and I am not advising you to do anything whatever here, remember this: one witness equals one story. Problems arise mainly when there are two stories ("he said, she said" scenarios).

If you are clever about the information being given to you there won't be any problems. But even if there were a problem I would prefer to be charged with some trumped up pretended offense than to suffer injury at the hands of some loon. But that's just me...

By all means use every legal resource available to you. Exhaust them. Make sure the police are aware of the situation. Have friends and witnesses around you if at all possible to avoid any kind of confrontation from the outset. But you know how it is, this is one of those deals where you have to have a Plan A, and then a Plan B, and then a Plan C. Think it through ahead of time. Act as is necessary based on your plans.

You absolutely have the right to protect yourself by every means that becomes necessary!

Best wishes.





Aneirin -> RE: The stalker is back. I got another note. I am officially freaked out now. (8/18/2006 7:08:38 PM)

Others responding to this post are correct,do not give out private or security information on this site or any other.It occurs that it is possible that those that wish to cause distress,your stalker or any other of a like mind may use this site,and may be enjoying your fear,do not give them the satisfaction.Go to the police,and let them deal with it and beware in future.



ToyGuyforU -> RE: The stalker is back. I got another note. I am officially freaked out now. (8/18/2006 7:41:36 PM)

Very simple, he has got to go..police asap.



popeye1250 -> RE: The stalker is back. I got another note. I am officially freaked out now. (8/18/2006 8:53:14 PM)

Angeltighigh, that is why I won't live in a state like N.J., N.Y. , Mass, or Calif; their idiotic gun laws!
There were a number of factors involved in me choosing to live in S. Carolina and the laws were one of those factors as well as great weather, nice people, cheap real estate taxes, cheap housing, plenty of restaurants, golf courses, plenty of things to do etc.
Thanks for the warning about NEW JERSEY's lousey laws.



juliaoceania -> RE: The stalker is back. I got another note. I am officially freaked out now. (8/18/2006 9:02:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Angeltighigh, that is why I won't live in a state like N.J., N.Y. , Mass, or Calif; their idiotic gun laws!
There were a number of factors involved in me choosing to live in S. Carolina and the laws were one of those factors as well as great weather, nice people, cheap real estate taxes, cheap housing, plenty of restaurants, golf courses, plenty of things to do etc.
Thanks for the warning about NEW JERSEY's lousey laws.


If a person can show they felt their life was in danger they are allowed to take whatever action they feel is necessary in order to save their life, including lethal means. It seems as though there maybe a slight gender bias, all a woman has to do is say she felt her life threatened in California to protect herself. It is due to our anti-stalker, anti-domestic abuse laws that this has developed. California is not where you want to stalk and threaten women, it will not go over very well.

We take domestic abuse seriously and we have a law here that states doctors must report suspected domestic violence. I have thought about informing my doctor about my BDSM activities in order to head off any kind of suspected abuse charge. I am still considering it.

California is safer than Texas the last I heard when it came to violent crime, and we have tougher gun laws. It is not the gun laws that make a place unsafe, it is the people that live there.



QuietDom -> RE: The stalker is back. I got another note. I am officially freaked out now. (8/18/2006 9:02:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Susan, let's hope he does!
I'd still keep a shotgun in the house though.
Just as a matter of personal protection anyway.


As much as I hate to blaspheme against the gospel of "Guns solve all problems."  This is a bad idea.  Period.

If Susan isn't comfortable with and familiar with the use of her weapon, then she'll freeze up when the time comes to use it.  And she can't develop this comort and familiarity overnight; that's why they train soldiers and police in the use of their weapons instead of just handing them out and saying "Here 'ya go.  Have fun!"

If Susan isn't 100% ready and willing to kill when necessary, then again she'll freeze up when the time comes to use it.  Again, reluctance to kill is something that soldiers and police are given lengthy training to overcome.  Training, I should add, which she does not have time to acquire.  Only a miniscule segment of the population is actually eager for the chance to kill somebody -- and oddly enough, they're all Republicans.

In either event, if she hesitates, or starts playing the "Not another step closer.  I mean it!" game, he has the opportunity to close and get his hand on the gun.  Now he's in control of the situation, he's pissed off, and he has a loaded weapon at hand if he wants it.  That's not helpful.

If she must get a weapon, her best bet by far would be pepper spray.  It's more intuitive to use, and she won't have to overcome an ingrained reluctance to kill before she squeezes the trigger.  She doesn't have to load it while panicking, and it will incapacitate long enough for her to get help, which is all she'll really need.  Trying to send the guy home in a body bag is far more risky and, despite how gratifying it may look in the movies, it's a very traumatic experience for most people.



SCORPIOXXX -> RE: The stalker is back. I got another note. I am officially freaked out now. (8/18/2006 9:05:56 PM)

OK D, let's see... Notice that I earlier said it's better to use hands than weapons, just to settle that... As for my doing time, I am happy to say I have never found myself in such a position, or having to make the choice -- how about you yourself?... I freely admit I don't know Nebraska laws... I agree that nothing should be done to cause Susan any extra hassle, can't argue that one... In the end, if the cops can handle it, so much the better.



mistoferin -> RE: The stalker is back. I got another note. I am officially freaked out now. (8/18/2006 9:15:58 PM)

Great points....if you are not proficient and comfortable with guns....you should NOT have one.

Not to mention....we are talking about a woman who could not summon enough courage to tell a creepy stranger to get lost...or even tell him she wasn't interested. Now suddenly you all expect her to find enough backbone to take a life? Come one folks....Susan has been posting long enough to get a little insight into her personality. Even with a shotgun in her hand I don't think I'd see her as an intimidating force to be reckoned with.....no offense Susan, you just seem a bit on the "sweet and meek" side for gunfights at the OK Corral.



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