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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/24/2006 4:07:04 PM

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There is a flaw in your argument. The Church is not the exclusive owner of Chrisitianity and Christian values. When you say "lived life according to the Church" what exactly do you mean? Do you mean Church policy/dogma?

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/24/2006 4:10:43 PM

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Good to have you back LadyE but be honest - as soon as you get to Benidorm you'll be frantically searching for an internet cafe to view the replies :-) and your fingers will be typing faster than a bee's wing when tip-tapping your response.

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/24/2006 4:35:19 PM

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Ah Gent - I knew I could rely on you for a welcome back! However I hereby promise that after tomorrow night I shall not be online at all for over a week. In fact, I'm not really going on holiday, I'm going into rehab to try to wean myself off posting on CM all day every day!

Germanic religions - yes, afterlife does seem confused, but this is more a function of multiple tribal religious variations, each with multiple cults, and also viewed at different times over the period of conversion through the lens of Christian monks who recorded what was useful to their purpose to record. The Germanic religion also does not function around a two part being as Christianity does with its body/soul duality - rather it describes us as beings made up of nine aspects, each of which has a different destination after death, but also does not rely on personal ego survival for afterlife - ie, there will never be another me as I am a unique combination of aspects, although those aspects which make up me will continue. This is why it is important to achieve a good name, how one can "live" in the ancestral mountain after death and go to Asgard/Hel, and be reborn in one's family line, all at the same time! (Of course, none of this is "Common Sense" either, though it makes more sense to me!)

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/24/2006 9:11:19 PM

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Greetings..~smiles~

Just general questions and not a reply to anyone.

Does anyone ever wonder what sparked off religion to begin with? Am taking what has read that Hinduism is the oldest living religion. What does anyone think started people thinking there were Gods or Goddess's out there to begin with?

With the Cristian bible..what prompted the priest back then who collaborated to put the bible together to feel the need to leave out known ancient writings..because the shear idea of them just being redundant doesn't seem to cut it. What about the story of Adam or Enoch?

Anyone ever wonder what would of happened if Adam and Eve had made it to the tree of life after eating from the tree of knowledge? Why does it say that God killed them but they never died..just were cast from Eden?

If the angels were perfect..how did jealousy arise with them or even desires to mate with humans?

If Jehovah's grand plan was to have perfect humans, and he's such a loving God..why didn't he just have a do-over with 2 humans instead of letting billions of humans come to the state they have?

Does ask these questions and more now and again despite that does believe there is something higher out there that created us. It isn't based on fact obviously..just blind faith..but am reasonable enough to know it is just that..blind faith. It is at times just comforting to speak with God. It is a comfort to think that my loved one's that have passed are safe with him and enjoying what ever true purpose humans were meant to have even if it was just to live and die.

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/25/2006 12:49:41 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

There is a flaw in your argument. The Church is not the exclusive owner of Chrisitianity and Christian values. When you say "lived life according to the Church" what exactly do you mean? Do you mean Church policy/dogma?

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If everyone has their own intepretation of values they become personal values and christianity can be what ever you want it to be. It's the same with muslim values which are not too disimilar from christian values and the same with Judeaism. In fact there is little to choose between any main religion (budhism included) about conduct in daily life and all can be all things to all men so talking about a specific religion becomes meaningless and we end up discussing the temporal. It is the doctrine of a religion that makes a religion what it is. If you don't adhere to a creed, you might consider yourself spiritual but hardly religious since that requires adherence.

Despite where your valuesoriginate from or who or what has influenced them, you are really discussing personal values because they are your own intepretation.

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/25/2006 3:32:11 AM

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Every story and version of history has something you can learn from. And a lot of bad crap too.
It's when you take everything literally and twist reality and yourself to fit it that trouble starts.
Use your common sense and real knowledge to pick out the good parts of the bible. But if you can do that, then just skip to living your life as a decent intelligent person picking out the sensible from all of life.
If you are incapable of doing that, then keep to yourself and don't screw with others lives, while you believe whatever crap you like.

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/25/2006 3:56:44 AM

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Hi Starshine - check "The Golden Bough" and "The Common Origins Of Pagan and Christian Beliefs" out at the library; these describe an account for the formation of religion beginning with humans at that first spark of self-awareness that made a spiritual understanding of the world inevitable. Its not necessarily exactly how it was, but a bit like evolution, it seems to interpret the evidence well.

Kedicat - absolutely! (twice in the same day, wow)

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 2/27/2008 1:16:52 AM

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"So often times it happens thatwe live our lives in chains, and we never even know we
have the Key!"

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"The answer my friend is Blowing in the Wind."

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 2/27/2008 1:41:19 AM

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i love what meatcleaver wrote, i wish people everywhere could accept that there are so many different beliefs that work for the individual believing them. It works for them. Please dont try to change them.
imo, to each thier own.
i pray, it works, i feel i am growing... i am happy.
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