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seeksfemslave -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/3/2006 7:00:23 AM)
Lotus asks the following of NG Does Britain have special programs for the Poles and Muslims to learn English and free healthcare for them? YES What do you do to bend over backward for the ill prepared when they arrive in your country? SPEND TAXPOUNDS ON EXTRA RESOURCES FOR THEM. and CREATE JOBS FOR WHICH ONLY ASIANS MAY APPLY. Does Britain lower it's educational standards so "no child" is left behind? YES Does it susbsidise courses to learn Polish and Farsi so you can communicte with them or would you have to pay that out of pocket? NOT SURE BUT MY GUESS IS SUBSIDISE. Do you feel obligated to eat a homemade fallafel so as not to appear racisit? NO but you must never make critical comments re immigrants because that is racist. They however find a ready forum, especially on the BBC, to express their problems with us and criticisms of us. Example after the bombing last year by British born Muslims the spokespersons for the Islamic community complain that targetted profiling, ie keeping a more watchful eye on Muslims, hurts their feelings and we should stop. Wot a larf.

Level -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/3/2006 7:04:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LotusSong NG, Does Britain have special programs for the Poles and Muslims to learn English and free healthcare for them? What do you do to bend over backward for the ill prepared when they arrive in your country? Does Britain lower it's educational standards so "no child" is left behind? Does it susbsidise courses to learn Polish and Farsi so you can communicte with them or would you have to pay that out of pocket? *Do you feel obligated to eat a homemade fallafel so as not to appear racisit?* Did your Primei Minister do permanent tax cuts and hope to be able to accomodate everyone under them? Do you make sure everyone knows some of your "best freinds are Muslim or Polish"? (all questions rhetorically posed to underscore other ludicrous comments of the past by the general public) quote: Lotussong wrote: How long has Mexico been in existence? Why hasn't the creature comforts been established. like toilets that work.. water fit to drink? No.. *they only think they have to do is sneak in and set up roadside tamale stands* and then wonder why they get passed over.. Had they bothered to learn about American culture..they would know.. it's about food purity. There are guidelines for everything we consume here. Unless we know you.. we won't buy from you. To do so is at a risk. quote: Lotussong wrote: WE MUST REALLY DISLIKE OUR OLD PEOPLE......OR WE MUST REALLY LOVE TACOS!!! emphasis added I wonder if he feels obligated to say things like "they only think they have to do is sneak in and set up roadside falafel stands", or shout about how much they "LOVE FALAFEL"....

NorthernGent -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/3/2006 7:08:29 AM)
Well LotusSong, A) We provide for muslims needing benefit as we do with anyone else i.e. through taxation. It happens that out of 600,000 Poles only 214 of them are registered unemployed so they are putting far more into the Exchequer coffers through tax and national insurance than they are taking out through unemployment and pension benefits. Lucky old us, eh? It turns out that Poles are subsidising British whites on unemployment benefit. Oh the irony of it all. B) It depends what you mean by lower education standards. Muslims are afforded the same level of education as working class British whites. As muslims contribute towards the economy through wealth creation then I would say they are earning the right to a reasonable standard of education. C) Yes, Urdu is spoken in some British schools - ultimately, funded by the tax payer. What is wrong with this? Muslims pay tax so why shouldn't they be entitled to courses which reflect their interests? The rest of us are offered these courses in return for our tax funds. D) We love curry over here. It's our national dish these days. There's no force-feeding, we chuck as much of the stuff down our greedy gullets as we can manage. E) I'm not sure where you're coming from with your tax cuts comment. Further explanation would be useful here. F) I don't have any friends, let alone Polish and muslim ones. Will you be my friend LS? Regards

Dtesmoac -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/3/2006 7:42:51 AM)
The one third comment - Point taken - just checked back on BBC / Guardian / Telegraph and Channel4 sites - can not specific article but there are interesting surveys concerning British annd other nationality Muslims to the west. which tends to way more in the favour of a fundamental clash of cultures and beliefs than is depeicted by the less than 1% figure. On the mass murder comment - Serbs were orthodox Christians and the Muslim Bosneans suffered equally from both. So point taken but it was the reproting of the western press that sparked action by the west to stop it. An the heds of catholic and Orthodox churches condemned actions though some of those within the region did not appear very ardent. Anywhere that has fanatics that believe they are absolutely right can result in others being viwed as sub human and there for apt for genocide. With Islam there appears to be fewer on the inside condeming it. e.g. Boer concentration camps were halted because of public pressure and action in Britain - Nazi concentrations camps were denied by majority of Germans until the end of the war. Denial of real debate as occurs in man Muslim Countries and within comunities in other countries does not help them demonstrate to others that the "fanatics" are a fring minority element. Why do the muslim community have to condemn terrorists? Do they represent terrorists? Do they hold any responsibility for them? If they do not want Islamiphobia to explode then they have a responsibilty to provide evidence that others can use to demonstrate that Muslim does not equal evil fanatic willing to kill babies. The caviates used by many and the letters that in effect claim they have a right to fell this disgruntled do not help their cause. Jihad does not mean Islamic religious war The text book / dictoinary definition of a word is not what is important it is what others take the meaning of the word to be. Subverting the use of a word happens all the time e.g. gay, national Socialist party, I'll look for the surevy further

seeksfemslave -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/3/2006 8:03:12 AM)
I saw the survey and large numbers of Muslims did think the UK bombing could be justified. NG says only 214 Poles are unemployed and 600000 arrived in UK. Incidently government stats. predicted 13000 so they weren't far off were they ? Many, NG, are working in seasonal temporary jobs or hotels and WILL be thrown back on the taxpayer as and WHEN the seasonal job peaks reduce, Thats the main reason they trek to the UK ! As for NGs implied argument that because Christians killed somebody or other in Nigeria then that shows that maybe the Muslims are not so bad after all.....thats the whole point you loony liberal, muticultural societies generate that kind of thing. If I see you in that Islamic gay club NG you can buy me a drink for trying to educate you. Since you have never heard of Gene Rodenberry ,I hope it WAS you who said that, then you didn't learn much at university. I sincerly hope you didn't attend what was the old Bolton Poly, but I rather suspect you may have done lol

LotusSong -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/3/2006 8:06:01 AM)
E) I'm not sure where you're coming from with your tax cuts comment. Further explanation would be useful here. Bush is cutting taxes. He wants to make them permanet. We have how many trillion in debt in our country? How he expects to balance a budget, I'll never know. But I do know he said he'll let future PresidentS worry about that. After all.. he has a war to fight! I do support our troops.. I pray for them.. and I WISH they had better a better commander in chief is all. (So do our generals) F) I don't have any friends, let alone Polish and muslim ones. Will you be my friend LS? I dunno.. you are awfully bald. When I see a bald man it reminds me of my father and brothers. It makes me miss them.. thus throwing me into a fit of depression and damn.. I'm American and there are no programs out there to help me through this . 'sigh'.. I guess learning Spanish may help. I already speak French so it woudn't be that much a chore.. I dunno. But yes.. I will be your friend.. please wear a hat though.. ok? I have this delicate mental issue I have to deal with on a daily basis. And until there is a "No Manic-Depressive Left Behind" program, I'm just wandering in the world.. without hope. Scrounging up a fallafel when I can and washing it down with Tequila. I need to go wander now.. it's starting again... It's really not the immigrants.. it's the SITUATION with all the bandaid 'fixes'.

meatcleaver -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/3/2006 8:12:03 AM)
The Poles have to work for a year before they are entitled to any social security. On average the Polish immigrants are far higher qualified than the jobs they now do so one can assume that as they learn English (and most arrive with some knowledge of English) they will be competing for better jobs. No doubt that those that do succeed will stay in Britain as Britain already had a large settled Polish community. As an Englishman who has spent 20 years living and working in various European countries, I'm all for open borders within Europe and I see it as a postive thing all round. There really aren't any losers, the only people who lose are those people who want everything on a plate. If someone has got off their arse and travelled across the continent for a job, the chance is they will actually do a good job if you give them one.

juliaoceania -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/3/2006 8:14:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LotusSong quote: ORIGINAL: Chloelicious Well My american fellows i got a question for you: Do you have in your constitution a text who said that English was/is the official language? I think that i have learn that you had'nt any. If you have not then everybody is free to express himself in His language. Actually there was a bill passed this year stating that English is the national language. We didn't seem to need it before, as it was just "understood". But yes, now we have it in writing. I now have validation that I can safely choose to speak my own language in my own country. Has it been signed into law? Could you direct me to it?

juliaoceania -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/3/2006 8:24:11 AM)
BTW Lotus, I do not feel I have to eat homemade cuisine to appear not to be racist... their cooking is just better than fast food, which most Americans pile into their pieholes daily, and hence we are obese and lazy... I will take homemade nutritious food over most of the garbage that many English Speaking American people eat. "Food purity", OMG, if you had any idea of what was in your "pure" food...that just makes me laugh.

NorthernGent -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/3/2006 8:38:54 AM)
Dtes, I think the recurring theme through our posts on here is that we're saying it is a minority who support militant politics and just how significant this minority is is open to debate - neither of us can prove the significance, althoug I would say the proof is in the pudding and 4 actual terrorists and 24 suspected is the proof we should look to rather than any questionairres which are dubious and not concrete. Where we seem to be disagreeing surrounds basic civil rights of innocent until proven guilty. In no way should we expect the muslim community to have to condemn terrorism - they are not connected with it under the principles of innocent until proven guilty. It is not right to say just because they are the same religion they have a duty to condemn terrorist attacks. We really need to get away from the view that the British muslim community and terrorism are interlinked. Why is the onus on British muslims to prevent Islamophobia? It doesn't make any sense. Whatever happened to affording people respect and the status of equals? It is our responsibility to prevent this because we are the ones who are creating and cynically using it either to support economic exploitation or provide a scapegoat for personal frustration. Regards

NorthernGent -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/3/2006 8:43:45 AM)
saw the survey and large numbers of Muslims did think the UK bombing could be justified. NG says only 214 Poles are unemployed and 600000 arrived in UK. Incidently government stats. predicted 13000 so they weren't far off were they ? Many, NG, are working in seasonal temporary jobs or hotels and WILL be thrown back on the taxpayer as and WHEN the seasonal job peaks reduce, Thats the main reason they trek to the UK ! As for NGs implied argument that because Christians killed somebody or other in Nigeria then that shows that maybe the Muslims are not so bad after all.....thats the whole point you loony liberal, muticultural societies generate that kind of thing. If I see you in that Islamic gay club NG you can buy me a drink for trying to educate you. Since you have never heard of Gene Rodenberry ,I hope it WAS you who said that, then you didn't learn much at university. I sincerly hope you didn't attend what was the old Bolton Poly, but I rather suspect you may have done lol Someone's had their cage well and truly rattled :-) 1) Yes, I will buy you a drink in my favourite gay club but only if you come in a pair of y-fronts, a handbag over your shoulder and nothing else. 2) Did I say university? I meant Chorley sixth form for underachievers [&:] Regards

mnottertail -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/3/2006 8:46:03 AM)
Hey Vatos and Vatas!!!!!!! I got my texas tornadoes CD. We need to keep fighting the metric system. Ron

NorthernGent -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/3/2006 8:48:35 AM)
E) Ok, but how do these tax cuts in with the discussion on providing educational welfare? F) Oh, don't mind my bald head. You can polish it and use it as a mirror when you're struggling to find the real thing. Anyway, I have a collection of wigs a TV would be proud of so this could be the start of something special :-) Regards

philosophy -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/3/2006 8:54:42 AM)
"And until there is a "No Manic-Depressive Left Behind" program, I'm just wandering in the world.. without hope." ..its called a national health service with mental health provision. All the civilised countries have one.........

subfever -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/3/2006 9:04:33 AM)
I have absolutely no problem with Mexican immigrants legally entering the USA, seeking better lives. I also think it's wonderful for people to invest the time and effort necessary to learn foreign languages. But I'd be lying if I told you that hearing "Press one for English" doesn't annoy me.

LotusSong -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/3/2006 9:06:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania BTW Lotus, I do not feel I have to eat homemade cuisine to appear not to be racist... their cooking is just better than fast food, which most Americans pile into their pieholes daily, and hence we are obese and lazy... I will take homemade nutritious food over most of the garbage that many English Speaking American people eat. "Food purity", OMG, if you had any idea of what was in your "pure" food...that just makes me laugh. http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003163.html http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/75xx/doc7501/s2611spass.pdf

MasterKalif -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/3/2006 9:17:52 AM)
on the topic.....how ready am I? very ready since I speak fluent Spanish, lol..... but I think any immigrant to a society needs to "adjust" at least somewhat to local customs or at the very least learn the language. So Mexican immigrants, legal or not, should learn English....just like if someone went to Mexico and was planning on living there for many years should learn Spanish. On a more contradictory note however, it does make it interesting when you have clusters of immigrants who maintain some cultural or even linguistical aspects, however this should be done while learning and adjusting to their new country.

seeksfemslave -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/3/2006 9:23:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver The Poles have to work for a year before they are entitled to any social security. On average the Polish immigrants are far higher qualified than the jobs they now do so one can assume that as they learn English (and most arrive with some knowledge of English) they will be competing for better jobs. Should anyone fall on hardtimes especially if they have children, then it is mandatory for local authorities to provide support regardless of residency or time employed. The do gooders seem to see no limit to the tax payers pockets. Also if Poles compete for better jobs it follows that the "natives" may become unemployed . NO? It is a fact that can easily be seen to be true that the more highly qualified you are in the UK then the more likely it is that you will be employed as a dependant of the taxpayer. ie basically on a form of welfare. I notice that NG steadfastly ignores my jibe about the Islamic gay club and by implication how tolerant the Muslims really are. He appears to believe that anyway. I think we should let the Yanks have their debate back, but it all boils down to the same problem be it Mexicans2America or Muslims2UK. Since welfare is much less generous in the US at least the Mexicans know that they will have to survive on their own.

seeksfemslave -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/3/2006 9:38:02 AM)
Meatcleaver said talking about worker mobility If someone has got off their arse and travelled across the continent for a job, the chance is they will actually do a good job if you give them one. The reason that most make the effort to get into the UK is our Welfare State.ie handouts That bodes ill for their work enthusiasm in my opinion. How about the one legged roofer from I've forgotten where he came from now. Last I heard he got a job in pantomime playing Long John Silver.

MrDiscipline44 -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/3/2006 9:38:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LotusSong quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania BTW Lotus, I do not feel I have to eat homemade cuisine to appear not to be racist... their cooking is just better than fast food, which most Americans pile into their pieholes daily, and hence we are obese and lazy... I will take homemade nutritious food over most of the garbage that many English Speaking American people eat. "Food purity", OMG, if you had any idea of what was in your "pure" food...that just makes me laugh. http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003163.html http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/75xx/doc7501/s2611spass.pdf From the first link above, first sentence in the first paragragh after the quote from the amendment: "Unless and until passed by the House of Representatives, this is not the law" Has this amendment passed the House of Reps yet? Also, this does not make it illegal to speak anyother language in the U.S. It just states that the Government doesn't have to provide documents or sevices in anyother language then English. This won't affect your phone company, gas company, hospital or your fast food restaurante of choice and it won't take down Mexican flags anywhere. Also from the first link: "The myth that immigrants are unwilling to learn English was debunked so long ago you'd think that people would be embarassed to mention it. The third argument, believe it or not, is that making English official will have a unifying effect! That's rich. Depriving Spanish-speakers in the Southwest and Puerto Rico and American Indians and Eskimos of services in their own languages is obviously a great way to make them feel wanted." I think thats enough said.

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