Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

Desperately seeking suggestions…..


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> Desperately seeking suggestions….. Page: [1] 2 3 4 5   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
Desperately seeking suggestions….. - 8/31/2006 8:06:31 AM   
arissa


Posts: 28
Joined: 4/15/2006
Status: offline
I desperately need some view points here and maybe some suggestions on how to deal with this situation. I’m asking here because I really do like the diversity and honest open thoughts I have seen displayed here thus far.
I just bought this charming little house in what I thought was a great neighborhood. I’m moving in with the help of some friends, things were going great until one of my girlfriends comes running into the house and says to me “you have got to see what the hell is going on outside” so I go outside and admittedly did freak out a little.
My next door neighbor had some friends over, no biggie, right.
Wait, I’m getting ahead of myself here, let me explain a little something here.
I am half Polish and half American Indian (yea I know, odd mix) the first things that went up for display outside was a Polish Flag, an American Flag, a Marine Corps Flag and a Flag with the Blackfoot Indian Tribal symbol. No issue, to me anyway.
So I go outside and what do I see, four grown men dressed in black pants tucked into combat boot, white t-shirts and red suspenders. Okay, call me dumb but it didn’t hit me at first, that is, until I happened to notice a swastika on the back of one of the t-shirts, and white power on the front of another when he turned around. Talk about dirty looks, trust me if they could kill, I would be dead right now.
Now it isn’t like I have never faced bigotry before, because sadly I have, just like most people. I have spoken to my realtor and asked why this bit of information was not disclosed to me in the first place, her reply “I was afraid you would back out of the deal” which hell yes I would have. When I flat out asked her if there were problems in the neighborhood, or anything of the like, she lied to me; she knew about my neighbor and did not tell me. Yes, I did look things up on the net, with the police station, but they only post things like child molesters or rapists, nothing about skinheads is posted
They have not really bothered me, or at least in a way that would be considered overtly hostile, there has been no vandalism to my property, but, there has been name calling, things said like “aint you a waste of space” or “stop breathing MY air half breed bitch”
They never say anything about the flags, or the items in my back yard, but damn do they make it uncomfortable. It seems like they know when I work late nights and come home alone, because they are out on the porch each time. I admit I am a little scared, but not enough to move, besides my three day remorse has passed and all the papers have been signed.
One of my friends is a police officer, and I have asked him what I should do, his best suggestion “ignore them, or take down the flags or anything that displays who you are”, yeah right, that will work, they already know, and, NO, I will NOT take down the flags, or remove anything from my yard; it is my right to display these items, besides I am in accordance with city ordinance. I am actually thinking of getting a room mate now, which I really don’t want to do. As far as protection goes, I have a gun yes, I do know how to use it, but come on, that isn’t really how I want to live.
So, basically I am seeking some suggestions on how to deal with my oh so lovely neighbor and his friends.
Anyone, anyone?

_____________________________

The mind is where ALL thing's begin. stimulate that and all else will follow.. in time
Profile   Post #: 1
RE: Desperately seeking suggestions….. - 8/31/2006 8:12:13 AM   
SirKenin


Posts: 2994
Joined: 10/31/2004
From: Barrie, ON Canada
Status: offline
It may be your right to display those items, but if you do, knowing that it antagonizes and brings hatred upon yourself, you have no right to bitch.

If it was Me I would make efforts to be accomodating to your neighborhood....  Not just sitting there demanding your rights and that everybody else accomodate them.  The flags serve no real purpose.  Nobody cares but you.  You are just trying to make a statement.  Why not make a statement somewhere else and maybe these people will accept the fact that you are trying to live in peace.

_____________________________

Hi. I don't care. Thanks.

Wicca: Pretending to be an ancient religion since 1956

Catholic Church: Serving up guilt since 107 AD.

(in reply to arissa)
Profile   Post #: 2
RE: Desperately seeking suggestions….. - 8/31/2006 8:14:04 AM   
Chaingang


Posts: 1727
Joined: 10/24/2005
Status: offline
The fact is you are confrontational. So are they. Connect the dots.

Personally, I don't use my home or my car bumper to express myself because sometimes I am not around and the house and the car cannot defend themselves.

_____________________________

"Everything flows, nothing stands still." (Πάντα ῥεῖ καὶ οὐδὲν μένει) - Heraclitus

(in reply to arissa)
Profile   Post #: 3
RE: Desperately seeking suggestions….. - 8/31/2006 8:18:26 AM   
philosophy


Posts: 5284
Joined: 2/15/2004
Status: offline
"It may be your right to display those items, but if you do, knowing that it antagonizes and brings hatred upon yourself, you have no right to bitch.

If it was Me I would make efforts to be accomodating to your neighborhood.... "

........just a minute here........there is no equality of self expression here.....on the one hand is someone who is simply saying who they are, on the other are a bunch of dangerously racist shitheads. Make an accomodation with Nazis? Can anyone spell 'appeasement', and SK and Chain, have you ever argued against appeasement on other threads?

(in reply to Chaingang)
Profile   Post #: 4
RE: Desperately seeking suggestions….. - 8/31/2006 8:26:32 AM   
LotusSong


Posts: 6334
Joined: 7/2/2006
From: Domme Emeritus
Status: offline
I do know that any thing of this sort that is known by a realtor and not disclosed to you is unethical.  Talk  to the selling realtor's broker that full disclosure was not made on this property and  intentionally kept from you..

_____________________________

Life Lesson #1

I'm not your type.
I'm not inflatable.


(in reply to arissa)
Profile   Post #: 5
RE: Desperately seeking suggestions….. - 8/31/2006 8:31:56 AM   
gooddogbenji


Posts: 5094
Joined: 11/15/2005
From: Toronto
Status: offline
I would say deal with the situation you have on hand:

A new house in a new neighbourhood
Racists living next door
Flags on the front lawn

Yes, it is your right as an American bla bla bla, but let's face reality.

These people next door are probably not violent - if they are, they are stupid, because they kinda, you know, live next door.
The comments they make you cannot, realistically, change.
All you can do is avoid confrontation (Take down the flags, be friendly to them) and take care of your own safety (Deadbolt doors, roommate, whatever)
The other option is to confront it, leave up the flags, add more, be proud of the statement you are making, and face the consequences, whatever they may be.

It really is up to you, but know what you're doing.

Yours,


benji

_____________________________

Prevent global warming. Stop burning patchouli.

(in reply to philosophy)
Profile   Post #: 6
RE: Desperately seeking suggestions….. - 8/31/2006 8:42:35 AM   
arissa


Posts: 28
Joined: 4/15/2006
Status: offline
Okay, you all have a valid point, perhaps I am keeping them up to be a bitch, or out of pride, or maybe because those sort of people piss me off, maybe I should take down "some" of the flags, but not the MC flag or the American flag. No, I do not consider doing this caving, perhaps it would make for a better situation all the way around.
I do not put bumper stickers on my car, it makes the value go down for re-sale or trade in.
See, this is why I asked here. I did and do need outside the situation suggestions.
Thank you





























_____________________________

The mind is where ALL thing's begin. stimulate that and all else will follow.. in time

(in reply to gooddogbenji)
Profile   Post #: 7
RE: Desperately seeking suggestions….. - 8/31/2006 8:47:25 AM   
arissa


Posts: 28
Joined: 4/15/2006
Status: offline
Wait, on the other hand, why should I appease them, who and what gives them the right to do what they do, say what they say?
I have to think about this, and I agree, I need to take this higher with the broker who sold me the house.
Flags stay, for now

_____________________________

The mind is where ALL thing's begin. stimulate that and all else will follow.. in time

(in reply to arissa)
Profile   Post #: 8
RE: Desperately seeking suggestions….. - 8/31/2006 8:56:43 AM   
Chaingang


Posts: 1727
Joined: 10/24/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: philosophy
...Chain, have you ever argued against appeasement on other threads?


My house and my car are not capable of such. They are also defenseless against spray paint, baseball bats, rocks, chains, urine, feces, what have you...

The fact is I have lived in some rough neighborhoods. The fact is that in such situations you simply do not go looking for trouble because chances are it will find you anyway.

FWIW, I am talking about living in West Oakland - for a long time the murder capital of California. When I lived there life was considered fairly unimportant by my neighbors and I wasn't prepared to test that issue just to prove some bullshit point to myself that I wasn't an appeaser of the discrimination I was receiving at the hands of some African-Americans. The one time I stood up for myself I still had to take a face punch from a 12 year old boy that I couldn't strike back at because he was a minor (even if a total prick) and I was literally surrounded by 20-30 black kids actually waiting for me to do something that would make it okay for them to kill me. The police that finally showed up told me that the last time a "white" guy had done what I did he ended up in the hospital with a skull fracture from a pipe blow to the head. What was I doing? I was asking these fucking kids to stop throwing rocks at and breaking my first floor windows. Interesting related fact: I am Latino - so not only am I not white, I am considered "brown" and I am a member of a minority supposedly even more severely discriminated against than African-Americans.

What I don't have is the burning desire to have a conflict every day of my life because my house or car have been used as the pressure-valve for someone else's frustrations in my absence.

This is not the same as telling Arissa to not be who she is, or not to join in a BDSM pride parade, or any other such activity. Sure, she has a right to her flags, etc. It's just that the nitwits next door to her are going to be a problem so sometimes you back down because it keeps the peace. If they still come at her then she should come out both guns blazing - in the meanwhile she can sleep well knowing she took the higher road by choosing peace over conflict. It's not right, it's just the better choice right now. You have to pick your fights and this one is just bullshit from nitwits, it's not worth escalating it further.



< Message edited by Chaingang -- 8/31/2006 9:06:43 AM >


_____________________________

"Everything flows, nothing stands still." (Πάντα ῥεῖ καὶ οὐδὲν μένει) - Heraclitus

(in reply to philosophy)
Profile   Post #: 9
RE: Desperately seeking suggestions….. - 8/31/2006 9:01:38 AM   
SirKenin


Posts: 2994
Joined: 10/31/2004
From: Barrie, ON Canada
Status: offline
Just keep the American flag up.  To do otherwise brands you as a troublemaker and to be honest you will get what is coming to you.  Whether or not you like appeasement, it is immaterial.  Good relations are what matter here, else you will be here six months from now complaining of smashed windows, flattened tires, garbage strewn all over your yard and everything else.  I can see it coming.  I have seen it before.  Hang your flags up on the wall in the family room or something.

I ask you... How much are your flags worth to you?  Because in the end you are going to suffer and they are going to be torn down and burned anyways.

_____________________________

Hi. I don't care. Thanks.

Wicca: Pretending to be an ancient religion since 1956

Catholic Church: Serving up guilt since 107 AD.

(in reply to arissa)
Profile   Post #: 10
RE: Desperately seeking suggestions….. - 8/31/2006 9:18:15 AM   
stockingluvr54


Posts: 673
Joined: 6/22/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: arissa

Wait, on the other hand, why should I appease them, who and what gives them the right to do what they do, say what they say?
I have to think about this, and I agree, I need to take this higher with the broker who sold me the house.
Flags stay, for now


They can fly their flag just like you fly your flags......because this is America.  You can be realisticly smart and "go with the flow" so to speak...or you can also be proud and make your statement and possibly butt heads with the neighbors? Your call but I think I'd be more inclined to maybe just keep a low profile in a situation that can be very volatile. JMO.....

(in reply to arissa)
Profile   Post #: 11
RE: Desperately seeking suggestions….. - 8/31/2006 9:18:37 AM   
philosophy


Posts: 5284
Joined: 2/15/2004
Status: offline
"Whether or not you like appeasement, it is immaterial.  Good relations are what matter here, else you will be here six months from now complaining of smashed windows, flattened tires, garbage strewn all over your yard and everything else."

Are racists so different to child murderers, that it is ok to have good relations with them? Has civilisation broken down to the point now in the US when racists can act like that without the police getting involved? Even the name calling so far reported is a punishable offence in the UK, why not in America?

(in reply to SirKenin)
Profile   Post #: 12
RE: Desperately seeking suggestions….. - 8/31/2006 9:21:22 AM   
subjected2006


Posts: 248
Joined: 1/20/2006
Status: offline
if the realitor knew before hand of the conditions in this neighborhood i think they had moral and ethical obligations to warn you.
i would follow  the advice about being lower key untill you can get the hell out
unless you can find peace by expressing your self/passions differently
heres a thought..laced with good old american pride and perserverance:
by staying..and being who you are  you will be making (in my veiw point) the greatest difference/statement of all



_____________________________

a rose is a rose..

(in reply to arissa)
Profile   Post #: 13
RE: Desperately seeking suggestions….. - 8/31/2006 9:27:50 AM   
gooddogbenji


Posts: 5094
Joined: 11/15/2005
From: Toronto
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: subjected2006

being who you are  you will be making (in my veiw point) the greatest difference/statement of all



Yup.  It will make quite a statement when the shit hits the fan, perhaps even literally.

As to racism being punishable, here's the problem - the most that can happen over some name calling is a slap on the wrist, pissing them off more.  It aint right, but it's life.

Yours,


benji

_____________________________

Prevent global warming. Stop burning patchouli.

(in reply to subjected2006)
Profile   Post #: 14
RE: Desperately seeking suggestions….. - 8/31/2006 9:28:55 AM   
Chaingang


Posts: 1727
Joined: 10/24/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: philosophy
Has civilisation broken down to the point now in the US when racists can act like that without the police getting involved? Even the name calling so far reported is a punishable offence in the UK, why not in America?


Whoa, reality check...Yes, civilization has broken down in the U.S. by your standards. That's a fact, don't even bother to repeat the question.

The police are likely to give Arisa the exact same advice she has received from myself and SirKenin (himself a Canadian, I believe). Chances are really good that whoever escalates the conflict first and with the most grievous arrest-able offenses will be the ones charged by the police, so the path of least resistance is to defuse the situation - to de-escalate, if you will. The name calling and racist offenses will be seen by the police as bullshit not worth the valuable time they could otherwise be spending at a Krispy donuts shop. Arissa will be seen as whiner and troublemaker.


_____________________________

"Everything flows, nothing stands still." (Πάντα ῥεῖ καὶ οὐδὲν μένει) - Heraclitus

(in reply to philosophy)
Profile   Post #: 15
RE: Desperately seeking suggestions….. - 8/31/2006 9:44:29 AM   
MstrssPassion


Posts: 2444
Joined: 1/1/2004
From: West Palm Beach, FL
Status: offline
you know the old saying... you only get one chance to make a first impression... that came & went

Sure you can take the flags down to appease the neighbors but the impression made by the flags being there has already been made... the neighbors will most likely just find something else to bitch about.

Sorry to hear about this. You are not the only homeowner to have found themselves at odds with neighbors. No matter where you live or how much you pay for your home there is always a chance you will find yourself with neighbors that simply do not see eye to eye with you on many levels.

I'm sure this thread could easily turn into stories of horrible neighbors. I have quite a few of those stories & the funny thing is... I'm sure my family has been the subject of many tales when those families have talked about the "freaks from down the street"...LOL

_____________________________

MstrssPassion


(in reply to arissa)
Profile   Post #: 16
RE: Desperately seeking suggestions….. - 8/31/2006 9:56:14 AM   
CrappyDom


Posts: 1883
Joined: 4/11/2006
From: Sacramento
Status: offline
Some more civilized states like California make it a breach of contract not to reveal things like this is the local white supremicist neighborhood and allow you to sue.

That said, white supremicists are in general cowards so if they do anything it will either be when you are not there or asleep. 

Cops will always arrest and fuck with the wrong person, although you being a woman, if y ou are young and cute that will go in your favor, if you are fat, you are fucked.

I don't know how racist the cops are where y ou live, you need to find that one out asap.  Best way to deal with it is ignore them, they thrive on drama, be boring instead and they will move on to someone who they get a rise out of.

(in reply to MstrssPassion)
Profile   Post #: 17
RE: Desperately seeking suggestions….. - 8/31/2006 9:58:03 AM   
LotusSong


Posts: 6334
Joined: 7/2/2006
From: Domme Emeritus
Status: offline
But what if she acquiesces to taking down her flags... and then they think...”HA! We got her"... and then continue to escalate their activites anyway.  I see the whole thing as a no-win.  I think I'd go to the police headquarters and ask them what can be done.  Right now, name calling and intimidation is not going to be an offence.  If it escalates, she can get a restraining order... but even then that would just piss them off.  It's a tough one and I don't envy her.  They may even have a history of this and the police might be just waiting for someone to notify them that they are acting up again.  Anything can happen.

Its nature’s way to have the predator jump on the weakened prey.


_____________________________

Life Lesson #1

I'm not your type.
I'm not inflatable.


(in reply to Chaingang)
Profile   Post #: 18
RE: Desperately seeking suggestions….. - 8/31/2006 10:08:10 AM   
Lashra


Posts: 4900
Joined: 2/9/2006
Status: offline
I would ignore them and agree with Crappydom they do thrive on drama. One suggestion you may consider is getting a dog, particulary since you live alone. Even a small dog that will sound an alarm if someone tries to get into the house is better then nothing. What is better is a larger dog that will stand its ground if anyone comes inside. The gun is a great idea, no you don't want to have to shoot anyone but if your life is threatened you do what you have to do to protect yourself.

Good luck,

~Lashra

_____________________________

“We can never judge the lives of others, because each person knows only their own pain and renunciation. It's one thing to feel that you are on the right path, but it's another to think that yours is the only path.”






(in reply to CrappyDom)
Profile   Post #: 19
RE: Desperately seeking suggestions….. - 8/31/2006 11:05:23 AM   
BlueHnS


Posts: 166
Joined: 9/5/2005
Status: offline
I'd get a lawyer and look into the non disclosure factor. In addition my county has a good neighbor law. The law here is written so even if you don't like your neighbor, which happens all the time, if you create a hostile living environment you can be charged.

_____________________________

Questions are dangerous, for they have answers. ~ Kushiel's Dart
I think I'm going to get off. ~ The Poet

(in reply to Lashra)
Profile   Post #: 20
Page:   [1] 2 3 4 5   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> Desperately seeking suggestions….. Page: [1] 2 3 4 5   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.094