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RE: The submissive`s need. - 1/19/2005 6:03:28 PM

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Too, on this kind of site, there -are- people who do not believe in "basic human rights" if it's ok with their partners, who are we to say that's a bad thing?

LOL!!!!!!! Get out of my brain!!!! Okay. . .since I like ya. . .you can stay

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RE: The submissive`s need. - 1/19/2005 6:06:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: GoddessJules

LOL!!!!!!! Get out of my brain!!!! Okay. . .since I like ya. . .you can stay

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Aww. :) Thanks.

I figured someone else would say it to, but I wanted to say it -first-

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RE: The submissive`s need. - 1/19/2005 6:46:42 PM

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Only here could people trash a post advocating basic human rights (that's the point of the original post ), and chase the user from the board.
http://www.collarme.com/forum/fb.asp?m=60696

Huh?? The link you gave is to a thread asking if getting involved at age 46 was too late in life.
I don't see the connection.

I am thinking you meant one of Nella's threads (which was about Needs, not about Rights) but I will let you clarify things first.

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RE: The submissive`s need. - 1/19/2005 7:00:13 PM

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Only here could people trash a post advocating basic human rights

i don't see anyone trashing nor making an arguement in regard to what basic rights should be. More likely i see One who would like to maintain the right to decide for Herself exactly what Her rights are ... vs. another who is trying to force her opinion, and focusing to much on what other's rights should be defined as. One 'gets it' .. the other one doesn't seem to, to put it lightly.

i have no idea why some feel a need to dissect and analize others' choices and or preferences within the lifestyle. i also can't fathom why some peg submissives as being 'victims'. Anyone on this site is an adult by basic requirement, and while some who are new and unexperienced may need a few pointers to help them along the way ... they are not exactly helpless. Adults should at least be capable of making sound decisions. Any submissive on this site should be able to summons up at least a little bit of common sense in choosing a Dom whose expectations would fit her 'comfort levels'.

It's really silly that there are so many out there who see the label 'submissive' and translate it in their minds as feeble minded, vulnerable, or dimwitted. Submissive/slave doesn't equal 'gullible', 'pushover', 'patsy', 'basket case', 'chump' nor 'easy mark' ..... at least not in my opinion

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RE: The submissive`s need. - 1/19/2005 7:03:50 PM

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Only on this site could people actually have varying perspectives on WHETHER basic human rights are applicable to all. My advice: take everything you've thought of as obvious, throw it up in the air, and watch it fall into shockingly pretty new patterns. And beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That's what it's about to me.

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RE: The submissive`s need. - 1/19/2005 7:14:09 PM

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All I can say is - this *wasn't* a war or a fight.

Oh hell, okay I can and will say more, LOL!

I can say that I do believe that nella took comments way out of context and perspective - and made them into a personal thing, whereas Jules was speaking objectively.

I didn't see any barbs to begin with - nor did I see a single insult that Jules sent.

If folks are reading insults where there ARE none - I'd say this:

Stop spending your time reading BETWEEN the lines - and instead - read the ACTUAL written words.

And if you are *still* coming away thinking this thread was a fight or a war, then for gods sake, pull out a freaking dictionary and read the definitions of the words that were WRITTEN and ALL of their possible meanings/definitions - and *not* the meanings that *you* are projecting onto them.

There is a beauty in knowing your language and understanding the written language - and give the poster the benefit of the doubt and then ASK them to clarify if you *still* come away thinking you've been insulted.

I have to remind myself of that from time to time myself, we ALL do it.

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RE: The submissive`s need. - 1/19/2005 7:26:13 PM

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All I can say is - this *wasn't* a war or a fight.

I can say that I do believe that nella took comments way out of context and perspective - and made them into a personal thing, whereas Jules was speaking objectively.

I didn't see any barbs to begin with - nor did I see a single insult that Jules sent.

pull out a freaking dictionary and read the definitions of the words that were WRITTEN and ALL of their possible meanings/definitions - and *not* the meanings that *you* are projecting onto them.
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I agree completely..... It was misundersood words, followed by funny comments, taken personally, and magnified into a mountain size problem.
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RE: The submissive`s need. - 1/19/2005 7:29:52 PM

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Shade,

I appreciate your perspective. My intention wasn't to insult, but to offer another point of view. I'm sure even we have bumped heads from time to time. . .it is rare that someone will agree with another person 100% of the time.

It disturbed me that someone could take something so personal. She has nothing invested in me (nor do I in her) so this was merely an exchange of ideas. . .confabulation.

I guess that is neither here nor there because she claims she has left the boards. I truly wish her well on her journey.

Carolyn, I totally understood what you were saying.

And for anyone that thinks that I'll start keeping my opinions to myself. . .well, that won't happen any time soon. *BUT* feel free to call me on it if you think that I'm spewing bullshit. Because chances are. . .I'll call *you* out on it given the opportunity.

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RE: The submissive`s need. - 1/19/2005 7:39:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: GoddessJules
I'm sure even we have bumped heads from time to time.

Not yet - I don't think. In time - most likely one some odd thing or another lol.

What amazed me was how others kept feeding into what wasn't even *there*.

As others have stated - you guys were for most purposes - IN AGREEMENT - in the essence, anyway, evidently nella has been developing an opinion of you that has been festering as she/he (I'm not sure of the gender) has read your other posts - and then lanced that festering boil here on this thread again viewing your comments with those festering glasses.

<shakes head>

Anyway - I *expect* and *want* folks to call me on my shit - as that is when I'll learn something - or notice something I've been overlooking in myself.

I have no issues with that and am okay with saying I'm wrong and eating crow. Just please hand me some pepper to down it with and perhaps a pinch of salt. LOL.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm gravy.

LOL

But yeah - I don't take online BS too personally or even seriously in general, anyway. I got enough real life drama that keeps me occupied lol.

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RE: The submissive`s need. - 1/19/2005 7:42:50 PM

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I do know that most Mistress will consider a time for her slave for him/her self,but we slaves know we are to serve and to obey first and last our Mistress

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RE: The submissive`s need. - 1/19/2005 7:48:58 PM

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To clear things up a bit. Yes i overreacted, i kight even have misunderstood, somthing in Jules post and the mailes i resived from others pushed triggers from childhood bullying i still have not compety recoverd from. And i apologise for the fuss i have created. And Jules i am sorry for overacting, do i still think you could be more polite in your posts, yes, but it realy is not my buisnis.

As for my post i think it was a misundertanding of how i use luanguage, remember i am from Norway. i did not want to generelaise, i wanted a discussion on a topic like if i on a car forum had said.

i think it would be unsafe whit DVD players in cars, to easy to distract the driver.

And then another peron could say.

no anja it is not unsafe, becouse it is there for the passangers, and see how useful it is, avoiding boredon on long trips.

Then i could say.

But the driver might be tempted to use the DVD player while driving.

And the other person could say.

Sure but you can not guard against every idiot that has no buisnis on the road.

It is a way to start conversation. Whit saying i think it would be unsafe whit DVD players in cars, to easy to distract the driver. i do not mean i know it is unsafe whit DVD players i carsor that that nessesary is what i mean is always true, i think here mean more of the line of i fall to perhaps belive this.

My original post was not to say all submissives and slaves must like like this it was simply starting a conversation on submissives needs beside basic food and wather, not a way to say true or false but a way to discuss things. i am sorry my post was taken wrongly.

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RE: The submissive`s need. - 1/19/2005 7:53:11 PM

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No worries nella,

Sorry if you took my reply to be a personal attack. . .it was not. I can't and won't change the way I post. This is me.

Anyways,
Welcome back to the boards. If you left permanently. . .a lot of people would miss you. . .and we don't want that, do we?

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RE: The submissive`s need. - 1/19/2005 7:58:15 PM

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And Jules i am sorry for overacting, do i still think you could be more polite in your posts, yes, but it realy is not my buisnis.

I'm glad you calmed down and were able to view this objectively.

I'd add that JUles was in fact - polite, or rather was in no way impolite.

She *was* blunt.

She *was* pointed.

She was however, polite as well - although after a point it did slightly ebb, and understandably so, considering how you were tearing into her personally.

But part of growing is realizing your mistakes aren't a *failure* but an opportunity to learn - congrats for seeing that opportunity and tackling it!

Not *everyone* is capable of saying they made a mistake and erred in their judgment.

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RE: The submissive`s need. - 1/19/2005 8:37:11 PM

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Yeah!!!!!!!!! hear at Collarme.com We can all just get along.

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RE: The submissive`s need. - 1/19/2005 8:44:57 PM

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Ohhhh...I get it now. It was about bad American drivers. Personally I think driving and talking on cell phones is the real danger.

So glad that's cleared up!

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RE: The submissive`s need. - 1/20/2005 12:19:27 AM

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re: Human Rights - this is where the train goes off the track for me. Human rights are not something that can be negotiated away. Fun is fun between consenting adults, but it can be taken too far. Just like it is not possible to actually become someones legal slave in the US, it is not possible to relinquish your essential rights. Having no sense of the gravity contained in words like 'some don't believe in human rights' is almost funny here. I only hope the irony is not lost if the evangelicals ship us all off to gitmo.

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RE: The submissive`s need. - 1/20/2005 2:39:51 AM

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nella,
i did not see Jule's previous posts as a personal attack being directed at you. i read her posts as a general analysis of the topic. Jules is very straightforward in her opinions. i for one would rather read comments which are clearly conveyed rather than 'sugar coated' in concern of not rubbing another the wrong way.

We may not all agree at all times with our differences of opinion, yet those differences do hold potential as learning opportunities. Glad you have calmed down and decided to stay.

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malepleases4ever: Fun is fun between consenting adults, but it can be taken too far.

Perhaps true, and the opinion of what is 'too far' or not should not be the business of anyone other than those 'consenting adults'. In that the subjects would be 'consenting adults', they can and should decide what is too far for THEMSELVES. In many states across the USA, some of what is practiced by those who enjoy BDSM could be targeted as being illegal regardless of the enjoyment and mutual consent involved between the two. Most people who enjoy BDSM, would place it under the category of MYOB/"Don't judge my kink."

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RE: The submissive`s need. - 1/20/2005 6:36:50 AM

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Human Rights is an important issue not to be thrown around in jest, to try and make a point that is your opinion about a site that you seem to have a problem with.

It is your 'human right' to be vocal about your thoughts.

It is others 'human right' not to agree.

You speak about basic human rights... but for who?

What you percieve as right, may be wrong to another.

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re: Human Rights - this is where the train goes off the track for me. Human rights are not something that can be negotiated away

In your opinion. Are you advocating that an individual is not allowed to negotiate their own rights? Why are you right to force such an issue, and they are wrong?

If a sub wishes to relinquish all rights, then why is that against basic human rights?
If a Domiant wishes their slave to have no rights and this is agreed upon, then why is that against basic human rights?
Surely, saying that is wrong, is against human rights?

Rights are there to protect one living creature from another. Human rights exist so that one person cannot do/say/perform an act that is detrimental to another in a non consensual form.

This, in my opinion, wasnt a question about human rights... it was a question on what is one persons kink isnt everyones. Accept a persons individuality and move on.

Accusations using a point of national and global concience is condescending of real atrocities of human rights that exisit in a non-consensual world.

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RE: The submissive`s need. - 1/20/2005 8:05:33 AM

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re: Human Rights - this is where the train goes off the track for me. Human rights are not something that can be negotiated away. Fun is fun between consenting adults, but it can be taken too far. Just like it is not possible to actually become someones legal slave in the US, it is not possible to relinquish your essential rights. Having no sense of the gravity contained in words like 'some don't believe in human rights' is almost funny here. I only hope the irony is not lost if the evangelicals ship us all off to gitmo.

I would have to respectfully disagree with your premise. I believe that one can, in all practicality, relinquish one's rights. One's rights are gaurantees from the state but they don't prevent the individual from choosing to abandon them. While the refusal to invoke one's rights may differ from the actual loss of those rights, thus putting me in the position of arguing semantics, in practical application the difference is so minute as to be irrelevant, IMO.

Theoretical possibilities are very different from realistically feasible options. If a person can't accept the possibility of invoking a right, then that right does not exist within that person's reality. Personal power is dependant upon perception relative to the person holding the power. One can't possess power one is not willing to recognize, whether in one's self or over another's person.

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RE: The submissive`s need. - 1/20/2005 8:06:55 AM

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She's done it again!!!!!

Once again, a great post from Dark Angel. I always *ALWAYS* look forward to reading your posts. You never let me down.

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