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We owe these brave people something... - 10/14/2006 11:50:52 AM   
MrRodgers


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Status: offline 		From the Korean War, to the Viet Nam War, to Desert Storm and now Iraqi Freedom...there as been as much heorism from our armed forces as in any previous war. Many civilians are simply ignorant of so many of these acts that should they hear or read of them, would have to be moved...Iam.

A Navy SEAL sacrificed his life to save his comrades by throwing himself on top of a grenade Iraqi insurgents tossed into their sniper hideout, fellow members of the elite force said.

Petty Officer 2nd Class Michael A. Monsoor had been near the only door to the rooftop structure Sept. 29 when the grenade hit him in the chest and bounced to the floor, said four SEALs who spoke to The Associated Press this week on condition of anonymity because their work requires their identities to remain secret.

"He never took his eye off the grenade, his only movement was down toward it," said a 28-year-old lieutenant who sustained shrapnel wounds to both legs that day. "He undoubtedly saved mine and the other SEALs' lives, and we owe him."

Monsoor, a 25-year-old gunner, was killed in the explosion in Ramadi, west of Baghdad. He was only the second SEAL to die in Iraq since the war began.

Two SEALs next to Monsoor were injured; another who was 10 to 15 feet from the blast was unhurt. The four had been working with Iraqi soldiers providing sniper security while U.S. and Iraqi forces conducted missions in the area.

In an interview at the SEALs' West Coast headquarters in Coronado, four members of the special force remembered "Mikey" as a loyal friend and a quiet, dedicated professional.
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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/14/2006 11:56:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Too bad they were not brave enough to stand up and say "This is WRONG and I won't go."  That takes true courage that few have these days.

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/14/2006 12:03:10 PM   
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Too bad they were not brave enough to stand up and say "This is WRONG and I won't go."  That takes true courage that few have these days.


You're assuming they thought it was wrong. There are men and women who feel they're doing something right, or at the very least that they're trying to make something positive from the situation.

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/14/2006 12:37:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

Too bad they were not brave enough to stand up and say "This is WRONG and I won't go."  That takes true courage that few have these days.


You're assuming they thought it was wrong. There are men and women who feel they're doing something right, or at the very least that they're trying to make something positive from the situation.



    Well said, Level.

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/14/2006 1:20:35 PM   
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Too bad they were not brave enough to stand up and say "This is WRONG and I won't go."  That takes true courage that few have these days.


This is one of the most unfeeling disgusting things Ive seen put on here.
They vowed to serve their country-period.  Additude like yours- to bad they were not brave enough
Shame on you


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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/14/2006 1:35:46 PM   
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Too bad they were not brave enough to stand up and say "This is WRONG and I won't go."  That takes true courage that few have these days.


This is one of the most unfeeling disgusting things Ive seen put on here.
They vowed to serve their country-period.  Additude like yours- to bad they were not brave enough
Shame on you



My dad fought for our freedom in this country from World War II , Korean War and Viet Nam!  

These people who were sworn in the military made a promise to uphold the laws of the commander in chief!  Whether the president is right or wrong regarding this war, they have no choice to debate or question him.  They are doing their job!  I support our troops! 

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/14/2006 1:50:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		One can support our troops and not war, it is our job as citizens to keep the commander in chief in line and make sure he does not spend the blood of our people on lies and propaganda. Our troops may have to obey the commander in chief.... but that commander in chief works for us... and it is our job to keep him in check

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/14/2006 1:51:28 PM   
swtnsparkling


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Status: offline 		My father served as well. I admire and respect anyone who does.
I may not agree whether a war is right or wrong but these men and woman deserve our support and respect  none the less.



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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/14/2006 2:16:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe everyone has the right to feel the way they do.  You are not the exception.  I don't happen to agree with it, that is my feeling on it.

I have a Master/Husband that is in pre-deployment stage as i type, He will be gone overseas here soon enough and not back until some time in 2008.  This Man knew what He was signing up for over 13 years ago.  Thorns does not have to agree with how our administration handles things, He does His job for His country...THAT! is what He believes in.

While i feel extremely passionate about our Troops and what they go through, not only having to leave their families, but having to deal with the mental aspect of just being in a foreign place, i also feel that regardless of how a person feels about this, they ALL need our support.

Now while you had mentioned two things in your statement...bravery and courage, two attributes i happen to admire.  It does not take my bravery or courage to stand up and say:  I think you are an asshole for posting this.  Ahhhh, but that's what is great about freedom.  I have the right to say it....just as you have the right to say what you did.   Trackin'?

Happy Saturday...

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/14/2006 3:08:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Believe it or not, Iam going to defend LadyMorgan here at least a little. There are few very important factors to consider here first:

To become a Navy Seal is not just joining up for the pay or any benefits. The Seals are among our military's special forces and is a career choice. You will hear nothing of protest from any of them or any enlisted man. The greatest lack of courage and what surprised me was Colin Powell telling the UN in arguing for a resolution to use military power in Iraq with what he knew to be very speculative evidence on Iraq's attempts to acquire nuclear weapons material. If those who lead lack the courage, then the country should have acted accordingly in 2004 and with an overwhelming mandate change those leaders and have them to get out of Iraq then.

My point is that once the politicians make their decisions, the rest is following orders and particularly for these military careerists. There is no debate of significance in the ranks and has since been reserved to only those who have rank and can make a difference in how we proceed now. Some are speaking out now.

Once confronted with life and death in the battlefield, the situation is always fluid and must be addressed as such and thus from time to time requires acts of individual bravery and heroism and sometimes beyond belief, and we just might not...if we didn't have the story from those same heroes that survived...personally Iam glad we have them...and their stories. 

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/14/2006 3:19:22 PM   
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From the Korean War, to the Viet Nam War, to Desert Storm and now Iraqi Freedom...there as been as much heorism from our armed forces as in any previous war. Many civilians are simply ignorant of so many of these acts that should they hear or read of them, would have to be moved...Iam.

Amen to that.

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/14/2006 3:21:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		My great uncle was decorated in WWI and when he died, comrades came to his funeral from where they had emigrated to from all over the world he was so admired by the men he fought along side. I remember him showing me and my brother his meddles when we were young and telling us that he was a coward and if he had real courage he wouldn't have been fighting the Germans but shooting the politicians that sent him and his comrades to war. He said that with such forcefulness and such sincerity it has never left me. Supporting troops blindly only helps the politicians and not the troops.

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/14/2006 3:39:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I guess I just don't see the purpose in this statement at all.  No, I don't like the war, hate it as a matter of fact.  That being said, it's no reason to piss on what the Navy Seal in the OP's statement did.  That took courage, to give your life for someone else takes a hell of a lot more than sitting on the sidelines complaining. 
 
I guess though, you can say what you want, after all, that is what all those who have died have given you as their gift.  If something directly affected you, I would hope one of those brave people would have the courage to die for you also, even if you could care-a-less about them.
 
They didn't ask to be sent to war, they enlisted because they felt IT was the right thing to do.  They only go where they are told, and do the duty they took a vow to uphold.  Sure, they could all run off to Canada, and I wouldn't blame them.. I for one though, am grateful everyday for what they are choosing to do, and for them putthing themselves on the line. 

 
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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/14/2006 4:20:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

Too bad they were not brave enough to stand up and say "This is WRONG and I won't go."  That takes true courage that few have these days.


Too bad our president couldn't have put his ego and personal ambitions aside and use diplomacy so these people would still be alive.

Which war was the War to End All Wars, I or II?  I pray for our troops but will continue to damn this war and the mismanagement thereof.  I refuse to goose-step to Bush's agenda and call it patriotism.

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/14/2006 4:31:43 PM   
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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/14/2006 6:30:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Too bad good men and woman have died for your right to put them down and insult them with your comments, but guess what... they would not have it any other way, its called being free and last I checked Freedom was not nor will it ever be free. so remember that the next time you shoot your mouth or in this case your fingers off and put down the men and women for having the moral nerve to stand up and defend what you take for granted.
 
Yes if you are wondering I was in the service.. USAF (ret). 

 

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/14/2006 6:50:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		for all those in the great state of Texas who ride motorcycles and wish to honor our wounded vets, there is an Honor Ride on Saturday, November 11 to Brooks Army Medical Hospital in San Antonio...the link is www.texashonorride.org I am proud to honor the men and women who risked everything for my freedom and am ashamed of any American who isn't.

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/15/2006 3:30:36 AM   
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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/15/2006 4:08:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Your definition of courage is not rooted in the raging flames of hand-to-hand combat or the defense of probable damage and death inflicted upon the citizens of this great nation.
However, your right to defile and defame the gallantry and courage of our underpaid warriors is a given, a given they protect and insure. Should the time come where it is your home, your parents and your children, that are being murdered and it certainly will come
if you have your way, then I strongly suspect you will be one of the first to protest against our military for not doing their job. SemperFi

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RE: We owe these brave people something... - 10/15/2006 4:22:52 AM   
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"Ours is not to wonder why, Ours is but to shoot the guy."
 
The other motto of the USMC

Pretty much it in a nutshell tc. By being in any branch of the armed forces there is an acceptance of taking on the responsibility to do as you are told and following orders(similar to a D/s or M/s relationship I might add). Granted, individuals have their own thoughts about the situation(s), but when it comes down to brass tacks, the assumption has to be made, that those calling the shots (no pun intended) know more about the agenda than what appears on the surface and carrying out their orders is the ultimate goal. Speaking from experience (ancient experience, but first hand experience none the less), I am certain that there is some question in many serviceman's mind of if what they are doing is right and just, but their loyalty, pride and allegiance to not only their country, but their fellow comrade, will always come forward and they will strive to get the job done. I don't have to agree with war, any war, or the driving force behind it, to have the ultimate respect for those who have consciously made that choice to uphold the liberty that we all hold dear. I tip my hat to each and every one of them who have put themselves in harms way, in an effort to do their part to preserve what the free world considers to be sacred. Anyone cheating them of that due respect is just wrong in my opinion, as walking away is not an option, physically or mentally.

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